Is Your CIty Occupied??? {USA} (268)
Galactic_bodhi: I don't depend on any paper or media outlet for any news, actually, as they all cater to the needs of the "hated" 1% and their agendas. I made a contribution to the thread that clarified the constituency of the supposed 99% that are being touted as the beneficiaries of these protests.
Until they can actually proliferate a coherent message beyond "Capitalism bad!" then I don't think they'll be all that effective beyond a sideshow entertainment piece.
What sort of capitalism is bad? IMO crony capitalism, kleptocracy, and market manipulation skewed to oppress small business in favor of "too big to fail" types of endeavors. Corporations as personhoods devoid of the personal responsibility standards that so-called adults are held to.
Conservative types are always ranting about how without corporations we wouldn't have cell-phones, TV, cars, or internet, but...
Henry Ford was a capitalist that realized that profit wasn't everything; if you don't pay your workers enough to buy the products you produce, soon you have no profit at all. But then, Henry Ford wasn't a globalist who's interests are in creating substandard products subject to weekly recalls for dangerous qualities that only serve the top 1% in terms of profit.
There was a time when capitalists believed in offering quality products for a quality profit. Now everyone wants something for nothing, or Madoff would not have been so successful for so long.
Get it through your thick skulls people. There's no such thing as a free lunch. You want these 1%er's to give back what they've taken. You will have to sacrifice, and sacrifice alot, to get what you want, because they're not in a position where they have to anymore. And that's the consumer's fault, settling for Walmart quality at Walmart prices.
Until they can actually proliferate a coherent message beyond "Capitalism bad!" then I don't think they'll be all that effective beyond a sideshow entertainment piece.
What sort of capitalism is bad? IMO crony capitalism, kleptocracy, and market manipulation skewed to oppress small business in favor of "too big to fail" types of endeavors. Corporations as personhoods devoid of the personal responsibility standards that so-called adults are held to.
Conservative types are always ranting about how without corporations we wouldn't have cell-phones, TV, cars, or internet, but...
Henry Ford was a capitalist that realized that profit wasn't everything; if you don't pay your workers enough to buy the products you produce, soon you have no profit at all. But then, Henry Ford wasn't a globalist who's interests are in creating substandard products subject to weekly recalls for dangerous qualities that only serve the top 1% in terms of profit.
There was a time when capitalists believed in offering quality products for a quality profit. Now everyone wants something for nothing, or Madoff would not have been so successful for so long.
Get it through your thick skulls people. There's no such thing as a free lunch. You want these 1%er's to give back what they've taken. You will have to sacrifice, and sacrifice alot, to get what you want, because they're not in a position where they have to anymore. And that's the consumer's fault, settling for Walmart quality at Walmart prices.
I think it really says something when so many people are seen to agree on two words... "Capitalism bad."
The big argument for our present Capitalist economic policies was...
If we give corporations giant tax breaks, they will be able to provide society with ever better services for a lower cost...
The reality is.. we gave them giant tax breaks, and they used the money they made from the tax breaks to move our jobs out of the country... and they provide us with goods that are constantly dropping in quality, while the prices go up.
Furthermore, they crush technological advances, rather than promote them.. The telegraph lines were plugged into the ground for power.
Tesla invented a light bulb that could be plugged into the ground... why do we pay electric companies to light our houses every night? "Who Killed The Electric Car?"
Who Killed The Electric Car?
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And meanwhile here at cs Nikogas's thread is leading by a short head!!!
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anonymous1:
The reality is.. we gave them giant tax breaks, and they used the money they made from the tax breaks to move our jobs out of the country... and they provide us with goods that are constantly dropping in quality, while the prices go up.
Furthermore, they crush technological advances, rather than promote them.. The telegraph lines were plugged into the ground for power.
The reality is.. we gave them giant tax breaks, and they used the money they made from the tax breaks to move our jobs out of the country... and they provide us with goods that are constantly dropping in quality, while the prices go up.
Furthermore, they crush technological advances, rather than promote them.. The telegraph lines were plugged into the ground for power.
You are spot on with these comments. I know the oil companies here don't want to see any new technology; especially ways to power cars as they would be out of business and they don't care about our environment.
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single4ever: You are spot on with these comments. I know the oil companies here don't want to see any new technology; especially ways to power cars as they would be out of business and they don't care about our environment.
single4ever: You are spot on with these comments. I know the oil companies here don't want to see any new technology; especially ways to power cars as they would be out of business and they don't care about our environment.
Thank you. :)
.? Corporations, Courts, Money in Politics, Politics
Corporate Political Speech
—By Nick Baumann
Wed Jan. 27, 2010 5:15 AM PST.
"On Monday, I explained why the Supreme Court's recent decision legalizing unlimited corporate spending (or "speech") in elections based on the premise that corporations are legal "persons" deserving free-speech rights doesn't make sense:
Corporations can never take political action premised on genuine support for a politician's ideas or values. Corporate spending on elections must be predicated on corporate self-interest, because corporations are legally required to maximize profit for their shareholders. They will never be able to participate in elections in a "politically motivated" way. They can only participate in service of their own bottom lines.
If a corporation acted against its own interests because their management thought it would serve the greater good (for example, by bankrolling an ad campaign supporting a clean-air law that would cripple the company), that would be literally illegal."
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single4ever: You are spot on with these comments. I know the oil companies here don't want to see any new technology; especially ways to power cars as they would be out of business and they don't care about our environment.
They also don't care about our children, who they send to kill, and die for corporate oil profits.
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rohaan: (I believe it was Cotton Mather. I could be mistaken. Don't lynch me!)
Ok--research defined and over. Here is the full and (now) correct text--From "We Aren't Superstitious", by StephenVincent Benet.
[near end of essay, concerning the Salem Witch Trials]
"And there comes a point when driven men and women revolt against blood and horror".
(Cotton Mather was characterized in the essay, it was a quote from the essay, i.e. S.V. Benet, and not as I had quoted. I do try to get things right!)
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rohaan: Ok--research defined and over. Here is the full and (now) correct text--From "We Aren't Superstitious", by Stephen
Vincent Benet.
[near end of essay, concerning the Salem Witch Trials]
"And there comes a point when driven men and women revolt against blood and horror".
(Cotton Mather was characterized in the essay, it was a quote from the essay, i.e. S.V. Benet, and not as I had quoted. I do try to get things right!)
Vincent Benet.
[near end of essay, concerning the Salem Witch Trials]
"And there comes a point when driven men and women revolt against blood and horror".
(Cotton Mather was characterized in the essay, it was a quote from the essay, i.e. S.V. Benet, and not as I had quoted. I do try to get things right!)
Good for you Rohaan.
Thank you for doing your best, to provide accurate information.
I like the quote too.
"And there comes a point when driven men and women revolt against blood and horror".
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anonymous1: Good for you Rohaan.
Thank you for doing your best, to provide accurate information.
I like the quote too.
"And there comes a point when driven men and women revolt against blood and horror".
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Thanks. It's always nice to be validated, even in an error! Are you a reader, too? (something tells me you like to read....I sure do).Thank you for doing your best, to provide accurate information.
I like the quote too.
"And there comes a point when driven men and women revolt against blood and horror".
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rohaan: Thanks. It's always nice to be validated, even in an error! Are you a reader, too? (something tells me you like to read....I sure do).
Yeah, I love to read.. I can't imagine a world without books... in my life, books have been my best friend's, and teachers.
When we read, we are set free to go beyond the understanding of those who claim to be our teachers...
PSA 119:99 I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation.
When we read, we are validated to go beyond the understanding of our elders...
PSA 119:100 I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts.
When we read, we can be strengthened with wisdom, and understanding, and find it within ourselves to question men who claim to be great.
JOB 32:9 Great men are not always wise: neither do the aged understand judgment.
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TrueBlue1986: Whether you're a genuine Conservative, a Hippy, a Nationalist, a Socialist or simply apolitical then you shouldn't tolerate corporate consumer Capitalism. But what comes next? What's the big idea?
I look at the protest mob, and I just see a rabble of people waiting to be exploited by their next messiah.
I look at the protest mob, and I just see a rabble of people waiting to be exploited by their next messiah.
I worry about the same thing... we have to have it in ourselves to stand up, and not let one person take advantage of our situation.
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."
Thomas Jefferson 3rd president of US ( 1743 - 1826).
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I like the part beginning part too...
IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
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I like the part beginning part too...
IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
mustbnutz: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,
Does history repeat itself like they say?
Is it time?
Does history repeat itself like they say?
Is it time?
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I definitely agree.... time to get the foxes out of the chicken coop! 
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gininitaly: I definitely agree.... time to get the foxes out of the chicken coop!
Absolutely, it is actually past that time.
That is why so many people are rising up now to protest, the poor have been joined by the middle class...those who won't acknowledge or see this are out of step and totally self absorbed.
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Skybow: Absolutely, it is actually past that time.
That is why so many people are rising up now to protest, the poor have been joined by the middle class...those who won't acknowledge or see this are out of step and totally self absorbed.
That is why so many people are rising up now to protest, the poor have been joined by the middle class...those who won't acknowledge or see this are out of step and totally self absorbed.
Indeed, I've been pissin' in the wind here for 2 years now.. and been called everything under the sun including pinko commie bleeding heart liberal... but basically I'm a Realist, read between the rhetoric and think for myself, I don't blow with any wind that happens by or the loudest voice that's screaming lies.
This is our reality and it's been coming on for 30 yrs.. but Bush torpedoed the selfish greed into the stratosphere and they forgot to leave a few crumbs for the peons ... and it's finally penetrated just how bad we've been screwed.
As you say.... about damn time. Now lets just hope they can have some rational organization to maintain the momentum and make it usefull.
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bohemianjack: OccupyMN We are occupying Minnesota...
We need to let the people who run this country know that the 99% have a voice, and we intend to be heard!
"Things are more like they are now than they have ever been." -Gerald Ford
We need to let the people who run this country know that the 99% have a voice, and we intend to be heard!
"Things are more like they are now than they have ever been." -Gerald Ford
Minneapolis remains active...
Easy OT..
"The Minneapolis Police Department is pleased with the successful dialogue that has existed with the Occupy MN movement throughout the planning process and each event," the statement said.
"It is true that we are weak and sick and ugly and quarrelsome but if that is all we ever were, we would millenniums ago have disappeared from the face of the earth." ~John Steinbeck
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Occupy MN: Melissa Hill arrested by Hennepin County Sheriff's deputies. 
Hill is a well-known local activist and chalker (who recently had her bike taken by downtown ambassadors). She is also, interestingly, the creator of "Kitten for Sheriff," a Facebook campaign trying to unseat Sheriff Rich Stanek by electing an adorable kitten in his place.
Only 1 arrest?.. For sidewalk chalking?.
A friend said she was there when the 'sidewalk chalker' was arrested and said that many were using sidewalk chalk and had great fun doing it.
"Everything is dangerous, my dear fellow. If it wasn't so, life wouldn't be worth living." ~OSCAR WILDE, The importance of Being Earnest
Hill is a well-known local activist and chalker (who recently had her bike taken by downtown ambassadors). She is also, interestingly, the creator of "Kitten for Sheriff," a Facebook campaign trying to unseat Sheriff Rich Stanek by electing an adorable kitten in his place.
Only 1 arrest?.. For sidewalk chalking?.
A friend said she was there when the 'sidewalk chalker' was arrested and said that many were using sidewalk chalk and had great fun doing it.
"Everything is dangerous, my dear fellow. If it wasn't so, life wouldn't be worth living." ~OSCAR WILDE, The importance of Being Earnest
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bohemianjack: Occupy MN: Melissa Hill arrested by Hennepin County Sheriff's deputies.
Hill is a well-known local activist and chalker (who recently had her bike taken by downtown ambassadors). She is also, interestingly, the creator of "Kitten for Sheriff," a Facebook campaign trying to unseat Sheriff Rich Stanek by electing an adorable kitten in his place.
Only 1 arrest?.. For sidewalk chalking?.
A friend said she was there when the 'sidewalk chalker' was arrested and said that many were using sidewalk chalk and had great fun doing it.
"Everything is dangerous, my dear fellow. If it wasn't so, life wouldn't be worth living." ~OSCAR WILDE, The importance of Being Earnest
Hill is a well-known local activist and chalker (who recently had her bike taken by downtown ambassadors). She is also, interestingly, the creator of "Kitten for Sheriff," a Facebook campaign trying to unseat Sheriff Rich Stanek by electing an adorable kitten in his place.
Only 1 arrest?.. For sidewalk chalking?.
A friend said she was there when the 'sidewalk chalker' was arrested and said that many were using sidewalk chalk and had great fun doing it.
"Everything is dangerous, my dear fellow. If it wasn't so, life wouldn't be worth living." ~OSCAR WILDE, The importance of Being Earnest
Side walk chalking has been successfully defended by the ACLU, under the 1st Amendment.
It's fun too. :)
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If you don't like the music... you can turn off your sound till 3:54, without missing any spoken words.
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If you don't like the music... you can turn off your sound till 3:54, without missing any spoken words.
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bohemianjack: Occupy MN: Melissa Hill arrested by Hennepin County Sheriff's deputies.
Hill is a well-known local activist and chalker (who recently had her bike taken by downtown ambassadors). She is also, interestingly, the creator of "Kitten for Sheriff," a Facebook campaign trying to unseat Sheriff Rich Stanek by electing an adorable kitten in his place.
Only 1 arrest?.. For sidewalk chalking?.
A friend said she was there when the 'sidewalk chalker' was arrested and said that many were using sidewalk chalk and had great fun doing it.
"Everything is dangerous, my dear fellow. If it wasn't so, life wouldn't be worth living." ~OSCAR WILDE, The importance of Being Earnest
Hill is a well-known local activist and chalker (who recently had her bike taken by downtown ambassadors). She is also, interestingly, the creator of "Kitten for Sheriff," a Facebook campaign trying to unseat Sheriff Rich Stanek by electing an adorable kitten in his place.
Only 1 arrest?.. For sidewalk chalking?.
A friend said she was there when the 'sidewalk chalker' was arrested and said that many were using sidewalk chalk and had great fun doing it.
"Everything is dangerous, my dear fellow. If it wasn't so, life wouldn't be worth living." ~OSCAR WILDE, The importance of Being Earnest
Personally I prefer the 3-D sidewalk chalk...smile
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Seems very local and anti-protesters when I clicked on opinions tab, it compared the protesters to the homeless who want a permanent camp by Portland's Chinatown.
Occupy Wall Street Protesters have gone global, if the Pamplin media group doesn't agree that there is an inherent right to protest in America, then perhaps they are living in a much more privileged part of America than those protesting corporate greed and paid off politicians.
I don't depend on any paper or media outlet for any news, actually, as they all cater to the needs of the "hated" 1% and their agendas. I made a contribution to the thread that clarified the constituency of the supposed 99% that are being touted as the beneficiaries of these protests.
Until they can actually proliferate a coherent message beyond "Capitalism bad!" then I don't think they'll be all that effective beyond a sideshow entertainment piece.
What sort of capitalism is bad? IMO crony capitalism, kleptocracy, and market manipulation skewed to oppress small business in favor of "too big to fail" types of endeavors. Corporations as personhoods devoid of the personal responsibility standards that so-called adults are held to.
Conservative types are always ranting about how without corporations we wouldn't have cell-phones, TV, cars, or internet, but...
Henry Ford was a capitalist that realized that profit wasn't everything; if you don't pay your workers enough to buy the products you produce, soon you have no profit at all. But then, Henry Ford wasn't a globalist who's interests are in creating substandard products subject to weekly recalls for dangerous qualities that only serve the top 1% in terms of profit.
There was a time when capitalists believed in offering quality products for a quality profit. Now everyone wants something for nothing, or Madoff would not have been so successful for so long.
Get it through your thick skulls people. There's no such thing as a free lunch. You want these 1%er's to give back what they've taken. You will have to sacrifice, and sacrifice alot, to get what you want, because they're not in a position where they have to anymore. And that's the consumer's fault, settling for Walmart quality at Walmart prices.