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Feb 21, 2012 2:14 AM CST USA ability...
jono7
jono7jono7Out West, British Columbia Canada3 Threads 8,017 Posts
Albertaghost: Working for me, I pay $20 per hour for unskilled labor so if that isn't enough, can't help.

As for not having individual choice, try voting next time with the knowledge that there is not always referendums on government decisions but rather you vote for who represents you. It's the way our country works.


i always vote. and i always vote for who represents me..(well..who ever is closest that is..) and i was one of the 60% of folks that did not vote for harper.

and while i do not have employees, i receive 60% of my wages after taxes and dues, add property tax, as well as the tax every time i go to the store.., and the volunteer work i do.....i'd like to have a bit of say in where the money goes.
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Feb 21, 2012 2:30 AM CST USA ability...
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
jono7: i always vote. and i always vote for who represents me..(well..who ever is closest that is..) and i was one of the 60% of folks that did not vote for harper.


40% is quite a mandate to tell the truth. A majority government which is not the norm so, he does have the majority according to a multi party system.

jono7: and while i do not have employees, i receive 60% of my wages after taxes and dues, add property tax, as well as the tax every time i go to the store.., and the volunteer work i do.....i'd like to have a bit of say in where the money goes.


Wow. You mut be one of the top earners to be paying 40% in taxes so you probably don't mind paying 'your fair share' but if you don't feel things are going your way, run for office, become a constituent or just rant on a soapbox but, our country was founded on a representative system of democracy so unless you propose anarchy as an alternative, this is as good as it gets.
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Feb 21, 2012 3:37 AM CST USA ability...
maxmate1
maxmate1maxmate1Dubai, United Arab Emirates1 Threads 963 Posts
Konigsberg: Does it means that Government of USA is more concerns with lives of people from different countries, then their own people?

To the point to put a whole Nation in economical crisis and to lower a reputation of USA in World' eyes.


Very well said. thumbs up

And you will never get clear answers to it. No one has, so far!
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Feb 21, 2012 3:56 AM CST USA ability...
jono7
jono7jono7Out West, British Columbia Canada3 Threads 8,017 Posts
Albertaghost: 40% is quite a mandate to tell the truth. A majority government which is not the norm so, he does have the majority according to a multi party system.
Wow. You mut be one of the top earners to be paying 40% in taxes so you probably don't mind paying 'your fair share' but if you don't feel things are going your way, run for office, become a constituent or just rant on a soapbox but, our country was founded on a representative system of democracy so unless you propose anarchy as an alternative, this is as good as it gets.


nope...i'm a teacher. and that's how it works out after income tax and dues...
easy to check, it's public information.
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Feb 21, 2012 3:59 AM CST USA ability...
jono7
jono7jono7Out West, British Columbia Canada3 Threads 8,017 Posts
jono7: nope...i'm a teacher. and that's how it works out after income tax and dues...
easy to check, it's public information.


and i wanted to add...i never said i minded paying my taxes. what i did say, was that i wished i had more say in where the money goes.
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Feb 21, 2012 5:41 AM CST USA ability...
Class5
Class5Class5Skankytown, Queensland Australia4 Threads 1,010 Posts
Mermaidon: So right. Glad to know SOMEONE is awake in these Forums.


So those who don't employ emotive and hyperbolic language are asleep?

I see... rolling on the floor laughing
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Feb 21, 2012 5:45 AM CST USA ability...
Class5
Class5Class5Skankytown, Queensland Australia4 Threads 1,010 Posts
Albertaghost: ""Steven E. Moore, who conducted survey research in Iraq for the Coalition Provisional Authority and was an advisor to Paul Bremer for the International Republican Institute, ridiculed the Lancet study in an October 18, 2006 editorial in the Wall Street Journal. In a piece entitled, "655,000 War Dead? A bogus study on Iraq casualties", Moore wrote, "I wouldn't survey a junior high school, no less an entire country, using only 47 cluster points. Neither would anyone else..."""

""On February 3, 2009, the Executive Council of the American Association for Public Opinion Research (AAPOR) announced that an 8-month investigation found the author of the 2006 Lancet survey, Dr. Gilbert Burnham, had violated the Association's Code of Professional Ethics & Practices for repeatedly refusing to disclose essential facts about his research. "Dr. Burnham provided only partial information and explicitly refused to provide complete information about the basic elements of his research," said Mary Losch, chair of the association’s Standards Committee.

AAPOR's President, Richard A. Kulka, added:

"When researchers draw important conclusions and make public statements and arguments based on survey research data, then subsequently refuse to answer even basic questions about how their research was conducted, this violates the fundamental standards of science, seriously undermines open public debate on critical issues, and undermines the credibility of all survey and public opinion research. These concerns have been at the foundation of AAPOR’s standards and professional code throughout our history, and when these principles have clearly been violated, making the public aware of these violations is in integral part of our mission and values as a professional organization.""

""In February 2009 Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health published the results of an internal review of the study. The review found that researchers in the field used data collection forms that were different from those approved in the original protocol. The forms used in the field contained spaces for names of respondents or householders and many such names were collected, in violation of the protocol. The press release said the review did not find evidence that any individual was harmed as a result of these violations, and that no identifiable info was ever out of the possession of the researchers. As a result of their investigation, Hopkins suspended Dr. Burnham’s privileges to serve as a principal investigator on projects involving human subjects research.""


Didn't the Human Rights Watch figures demonstrate that the Lancet study was flawed?
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Feb 21, 2012 5:47 AM CST USA ability...
Class5
Class5Class5Skankytown, Queensland Australia4 Threads 1,010 Posts
Mermaidon: Can you please quote me on that generalization? 'Cause I don't see where I applied it to the whole of the Armed Forces.


No, but Tom was talking about the collective whole, so what was your point?
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Feb 21, 2012 5:54 AM CST USA ability...
Konigsberg
KonigsbergKonigsbergJurassic Park (Site B), Nova Scotia Canada57 Threads 3 Polls 8,448 Posts
jono7: and i wanted to add...i never said i minded paying my taxes. what i did say, was that i wished i had more say in where the money goes.


It makes me wonder too ... maybe one year I will not pay my Taxes .. until I'll be given a paperwork on what and where my money goes.

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Feb 21, 2012 5:58 AM CST USA ability...
Konigsberg
KonigsbergKonigsbergJurassic Park (Site B), Nova Scotia Canada57 Threads 3 Polls 8,448 Posts
maxmate1: Very well said.

And you will never get clear answers to it. No one has, so far!


Hi Max wave

I do believe there is only one Entity who can answer that question. USA Government itself ... but I do afraid they are not allowed to talk. They do not have their OWN voice anymore.
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Feb 21, 2012 5:59 AM CST USA ability...
Mermaidon
MermaidonMermaidonBrussels, Brussels (Bruxelles) Belgium26 Threads 4 Polls 1,116 Posts
Class5: No, but Tom was talking about the collective whole, so what was your point?


Me? I have no point, I seldom have any point, it's part of my charm laugh
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Feb 21, 2012 6:01 AM CST USA ability...
Class5
Class5Class5Skankytown, Queensland Australia4 Threads 1,010 Posts
jono7: and i wanted to add...i never said i minded paying my taxes. what i did say, was that i wished i had more say in where the money goes.


Don't we all, but as someone once said, "taxes will always be spent on something that someone disapproves of." wave
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Feb 21, 2012 6:03 AM CST USA ability...
Class5
Class5Class5Skankytown, Queensland Australia4 Threads 1,010 Posts
Mermaidon: Me? I have no point, I seldom have any point, it's part of my charm


Ok, laugh You were once on here as Grandpenses if I recall correctly. I didn't recognise you in your earlier photo. handshake
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Feb 21, 2012 6:07 AM CST USA ability...
Konigsberg
KonigsbergKonigsbergJurassic Park (Site B), Nova Scotia Canada57 Threads 3 Polls 8,448 Posts
Albertaghost: Obama = 14 trillion. And counting.



That's even worse. So, on a top of military spending and ruining a reputation of USA in the World ... USA citizens have another problem.

And yet! If I understand it correctly, The raise of USA debt began with Bushes. So you cannot blame only Obama. conversing
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Feb 21, 2012 6:08 AM CST USA ability...
maxmate1
maxmate1maxmate1Dubai, United Arab Emirates1 Threads 963 Posts
Konigsberg: Hi Max

I do believe there is only one Entity who can answer that question. USA Government itself ... but I do afraid they are not allowed to talk. They do not have their OWN voice anymore.


Hi Konigsberg!

All Allies have the answers and not the USA only. The irony is that they still think everyone is stupid.
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Feb 21, 2012 6:09 AM CST USA ability...
Class5: The US is winding down operations in Afghanistan and in Iraq. It's time for the citizens of those nations to exercise the right of self determination free from their former oppressive regimes.

Iran is merely playing the game it has played for some years, that is, rattle the sabres in order to gain concessions~much like North Korea has been doing. The latest act in this play is hardly a cause for concern, as the tensions in the region are already easing.
Self-determination........laugh
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Feb 21, 2012 6:18 AM CST USA ability...
Konigsberg
KonigsbergKonigsbergJurassic Park (Site B), Nova Scotia Canada57 Threads 3 Polls 8,448 Posts
Albertaghost: Nope. They are a member of the UN and the UNSC as well hence, they work alongside the above to ensure world stability and peace.

Actually the cost of the Iraq war is chicken feed to what Obama and the sub prime has done. Your original question was "Is it possible,financially, for USA to run three wars: Afghanistan, continued presents in Iraq and now a huge chance to start a war in Iran?" where if you were concerned about US citizens it should have been "Is it possible,financially, for USA to run an Obama deficit which is a fraction of the cost of two wars (Afghanistan and Iraq) and possibly a third in Iran for another four years?"



Morning Alberta!

Alberta said: "Nope. They are a member of the UN and the UNSC as well hence, they work alongside the above to ensure world stability and peace."

Stability and Peace!? What is it? I do believe the World has already forgot how it feels like to live Peaceful and stable life.

Do you think that UN isn't what Anna Eleanor Roosevelt wanted it to be? Does it fulfill her dreams when she was creating her child - UN.
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Feb 21, 2012 6:28 AM CST USA ability...
Konigsberg
KonigsbergKonigsbergJurassic Park (Site B), Nova Scotia Canada57 Threads 3 Polls 8,448 Posts
maxmate1: Hi Konigsberg!

All Allies have the answers and not the USA only. The irony is that they still think everyone is stupid.


I agree Max! Thank you for pointing it out. thumbs up

They can think whatever pleases them ... I do believe that everyone ... is just patiently waiting for self extermination of those countries. It cannot go on forever.

My biggest concern is people ... why they have to safer from those viscous games? In the name of what? conversing
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Feb 21, 2012 6:29 AM CST USA ability...
Konigsberg
KonigsbergKonigsbergJurassic Park (Site B), Nova Scotia Canada57 Threads 3 Polls 8,448 Posts
Class5: Ok, You were once on here as Grandpenses if I recall correctly. I didn't recognise you in your earlier photo.


I so love it, when you guys are getting along!

Thank you Class handshake bouquet
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Feb 21, 2012 6:34 AM CST USA ability...
Mermaidon
MermaidonMermaidonBrussels, Brussels (Bruxelles) Belgium26 Threads 4 Polls 1,116 Posts
Class5: Ok, You were once on here as Grandpenses if I recall correctly. I didn't recognise you in your earlier photo.


laugh Yes, I'm a chameleon, I've been told I tend to look different on different pictures. In fact, you could recognize me from my salt and pepper hair but I guess i'm not the only one looking like Anderson Cooper laugh
Yes, I was here last year as Grandpensees, then my profile was deleted, then I came back, then I got a girlfriend so I left again, then I came back last year 'round October...
I might as well start a thread letting everyone know that Grandpensees is back, spying on y'all under a false identity, now mermaidon, working under the British Intelligence MI6 as Pensees, Grand Pensees double-Oh-Oh-dot-oh at her majesty's secret service. I've already reported Albertaghost as a mole and I was going to writ a report on you but luckily you recognize my mug, so no harm done. Next time, I'll ask for a pass-phrase and you have to know it or I'll be forced to suicide you laugh
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