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Feb 18, 2012 4:58 AM CST USA ability...
Konigsberg
KonigsbergKonigsbergJurassic Park (Site B), Nova Scotia Canada57 Threads 3 Polls 8,448 Posts
Morning everyone!

I have never created a single thread in Current Events and Politics section. So here goes my virginity along with a question.


I would like to know your opinions on:

1. Is it possible,financially, for USA to run three wars: Afghanistan, continued presents in Iraq and now a huge chance to start a war in Iran?

I hope Iran will not block Hormuz Strait!


2. How it is going to affect the lives of USA citizens?


Sorry, but I do have little time to be on Forums ... so I will not make a good host maybe someone can take over. If this topic will be any interest to you.


Peace and prosperity to every single country, I wish!

conversing wave
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Feb 18, 2012 5:22 AM CST USA ability...
gininitaly
gininitalygininitalyPadova, Veneto Italy23 Threads 2,454 Posts
1. Well the American people can't afford it, but the top 1% can, and they run the country, so I guess it's profitable for them.

2. They will take it in the shorts as they have for the last burdened to breaking 12 years that no one gave a damn about them.
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Feb 18, 2012 5:33 AM CST USA ability...
bestbefore
bestbeforebestbeforesomewhere, Dorset, England UK116 Threads 2 Polls 4,701 Posts
Konigsberg: Morning everyone!

I have never created a single thread in Current Events and Politics section. So here goes my virginity along with a question.I would like to know your opinions on:

1. Is it possible,financially, for USA to run three wars: Afghanistan, continued presents in Iraq and now a huge chance to start a war in Iran?

I hope Iran will not block Hormuz Strait!2. How it is going to affect the lives of USA citizens? Sorry, but I do have little time to be on Forums ... so I will not make a good host maybe someone can take over. If this topic will be any interest to you. Peace and prosperity to every single country, I wish!


I second that motion Konigsberg.handshake

I too am not an expert on Foreign Affairs but have great concern for what is potentially going to happen in the very near future.

Surely this is not just the U.S.A. that will be involved? Iran has had a political agenda for a long time[ I have Iranian friends living there who are very concerned about their Country.]

You only have to look at the political unrest on the Forums to see how much hatred and lack of understanding there is in our World today.

How other people choose to live and govern should not be interfered with, providing the people of said country are cared for and not under a despotic regime. The world is a huge melting pot of colour and creed which we should try to take into consideration,but rarely do. We should consider the 3 R's Religion,race and respect.

Oil has mostly been the biggest cause of wars in the Middle East and now the threat of Nuclear weapons rears it's ugly head yet again.

I hate to think of the future of our planet,if there is one.sigh
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Feb 18, 2012 5:45 AM CST USA ability...
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
gininitaly: 1. Well the American people can't afford it, but the top 1% can, and they run the country, so I guess it's profitable for them.

2. They will take it in the shorts as they have for the last burdened to breaking 12 years that no one gave a damn about them.
we are used to it/no sweat,unless govt.turns on us.
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Feb 18, 2012 6:21 AM CST USA ability...
Class5
Class5Class5Skankytown, Queensland Australia4 Threads 1,010 Posts
The US is winding down operations in Afghanistan and in Iraq. It's time for the citizens of those nations to exercise the right of self determination free from their former oppressive regimes.

Iran is merely playing the game it has played for some years, that is, rattle the sabres in order to gain concessions~much like North Korea has been doing. The latest act in this play is hardly a cause for concern, as the tensions in the region are already easing.
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Feb 18, 2012 6:38 AM CST USA ability...
Happygolucky4uonline today!
Happygolucky4uonline today!Happygolucky4uTreasure Coast, Florida USA25 Threads 4 Polls 6,241 Posts
Konigsberg: Morning everyone!

I have never created a single thread in Current Events and Politics section. So here goes my virginity along with a question.I would like to know your opinions on:

1. Is it possible,financially, for USA to run three wars: Afghanistan, continued presents in Iraq and now a huge chance to start a war in Iran?

I hope Iran will not block Hormuz Strait!2. How it is going to affect the lives of USA citizens? Sorry, but I do have little time to be on Forums ... so I will not make a good host maybe someone can take over. If this topic will be any interest to you. Peace and prosperity to every single country, I wish!
I don't think anyone likes wars. Sometimes I do believe they are necessary. When one faces evil to try and stop it are they a hero or are they evil? And whom is to decide who is evil and who is the hero? Trying getting millions of people to agree with one thing and be happy is impossible in my opinion. I believe that if our government feels another war is necessary then they will make a way to afford it. Nuclear weapons are a terrible thing to be in the wrong hands. But are there any right hands for them? Whom would decide who the right hands would be? Someone years ago let the genie out of the bottle. Now not such an easy thing to put back in. I can honestly say if you think that Americans want another war you are wrong. I do not walk down the streets and see them thirsting for war. I know oil is important to a lot of people American and non American. But in truth people survived for eons without it, and could again if need be. But just turn loose the nuclear weapons and see what the future would hold. blues
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Feb 18, 2012 7:03 AM CST USA ability...
tobaa
tobaatobaafribourg, Fribourg Switzerland1 Posts
as us government said about iraq that they have wapouns to wrong, now it is turn of iran for out them of play that is the act of usa government.they don't care about us people or any one eles the just think to them.than why iranian were in demoestration in last election, obama try to deal with iran government? and wrote a letter to khamenei? and when they diden'tany reply ms clinton try to conect with opositions and said you ask us we help you?hehehe.
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Feb 18, 2012 7:28 AM CST USA ability...
maxmate1
maxmate1maxmate1Dubai, United Arab Emirates1 Threads 963 Posts
Konigsberg: Morning everyone!

I have never created a single thread in Current Events and Politics section. So here goes my virginity along with a question.I would like to know your opinions on:

1. Is it possible,financially, for USA to run three wars: Afghanistan, continued presents in Iraq and now a huge chance to start a war in Iran?


Alone No. But with the Monarchy or UK, France and allied forces, Yes. Don't forget the opium production in Afghanistan during war has reached record high. The Fabricated Global financial crisis has already made the pockets deep.

Konigsberg: I hope Iran will not block Hormuz Strait!2. How it is going to affect the lives of USA citizens? Sorry, but I do have little time to be on Forums ... so I will not make a good host maybe someone can take over. If this topic will be any interest to you. Peace and prosperity to every single country, I wish!


It has no affect on US citizens, but a great effect on the lives of ME citizens.


And the latest is that UK and USA are eyeing one of the largest gold and copper reserves in Pakistan's Balouchistan Province. The place is called Reko Diq. The province borders Afghanistan and Iran both. Along with Naval borders with Iran on the straight of Hormuz.

So, as usual, they have fuelled insurgency in Balouchistan and have stirred a lot of trouble by creating and funding separatist movements and supplying arms. Very quietly in the USA congress, a bill was tabled 2 days ago to support the creation of a new country separating Balouchistan from Pakistan.

UK's job provides "asylum" to elements that support the disintegration of Pakistan. All balouch rebel groups are already in Britain.

Ironically, Pakistan is the frontline Ally of USA on the war on Terror, in Afghanistan. Yet, it seems Pakistan will pay the "price" for friendship, in the form of disintegration.

So on the capability front, yes, both USA and UK are quite capable and experienced. On the ability front, I doubt it.
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Feb 18, 2012 7:37 AM CST USA ability...
Konigsberg
KonigsbergKonigsbergJurassic Park (Site B), Nova Scotia Canada57 Threads 3 Polls 8,448 Posts
gininitaly: 1. Well the American people can't afford it, but the top 1% can, and they run the country, so I guess it's profitable for them.

2. They will take it in the shorts as they have for the last burdened to breaking 12 years that no one gave a damn about them.


wave Gini

It is well known, that any war is a money making machine. The question is where those money go? ... Do Government invests it in well being of own citizens? (which sounds oxymoron .. to Invest a war money in well being of citizens !?)


Or somewhere else?
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Feb 18, 2012 7:42 AM CST USA ability...
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
Konigsberg: Gini

It is well known, that any war is a money making machine. The question is where those money go? ... Do Government invests it in well being of own citizens? (which sounds oxymoron .. to Invest a war money in well being of citizens !?)Or somewhere else?
bush/haliburton,we just got ww1 paid off!yet,they dont want to pay taxes,atleast the president does,pay his fair share.
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Feb 18, 2012 7:43 AM CST USA ability...
Konigsberg
KonigsbergKonigsbergJurassic Park (Site B), Nova Scotia Canada57 Threads 3 Polls 8,448 Posts
bestbefore: I second that motion Konigsberg.

I too am not an expert on Foreign Affairs but have great concern for what is potentially going to happen in the very near future.

Surely this is not just the U.S.A. that will be involved? Iran has had a political agenda for a long time[ I have Iranian friends living there who are very concerned about their Country.]

You only have to look at the political unrest on the Forums to see how much hatred and lack of understanding there is in our World today.

How other people choose to live and govern should not be interfered with, providing the people of said country are cared for and not under a despotic regime. The world is a huge melting pot of colour and creed which we should try to take into consideration,but rarely do. We should consider the 3 R's Religion,race and respect.

Oil has mostly been the biggest cause of wars in the Middle East and now the threat of Nuclear weapons rears it's ugly head yet again.

I hate to think of the future of our planet,if there is one.



Very moving post,B! thumbs up

If we will continue to play with Nuclear power for a sole purpose to exterminate human kind. Eventually we will succeed.



If it will go this way ..
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Feb 18, 2012 7:46 AM CST USA ability...
Konigsberg
KonigsbergKonigsbergJurassic Park (Site B), Nova Scotia Canada57 Threads 3 Polls 8,448 Posts
reb56: we are used to it/no sweat,unless govt.turns on us.


Do I understand you correctly, Reb?

You mean, American people will stay passive until Government will not push their buttons?

wave
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Feb 18, 2012 7:48 AM CST USA ability...
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Let us do the Keystone pipeline. Then Europe can bys it oil from the US instead of the ME and Libya. Then everyone is happy.
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Feb 18, 2012 7:49 AM CST USA ability...
Konigsberg
KonigsbergKonigsbergJurassic Park (Site B), Nova Scotia Canada57 Threads 3 Polls 8,448 Posts
Class5: The US is winding down operations in Afghanistan and in Iraq. It's time for the citizens of those nations to exercise the right of self determination free from their former oppressive regimes.

Iran is merely playing the game it has played for some years, that is, rattle the sabres in order to gain concessions~much like North Korea has been doing. The latest act in this play is hardly a cause for concern, as the tensions in the region are already easing.


Good time of day to you Class! wave

You said: "The US is winding down operations in Afghanistan and in Iraq."

You know, somehow I will trust it is happening when soldier's mothers will CONFIRM that their children are back home. Until then it is just an empty words
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Feb 18, 2012 7:54 AM CST USA ability...
drbombay
drbombaydrbombayStaten Island, New York USA42 Threads 5,391 Posts
Konigsberg: Gini

It is well known, that any war is a money making machine. The question is where those money go? ... Do Government invests it in well being of own citizens? (which sounds oxymoron .. to Invest a war money in well being of citizens !?)Or somewhere else?
Oh contrare Konigs! War is not a money making machine like it used to be as far as employment & the weaponry of today is too costly for our economy to sustain but we will persevere hopefully.
I love my country but I'm tired of our foreign policies as I'm sure many others here agree. I wish we would take care of our own & let everyone else fend for themselves(may sound cruel but we are not appreciated anyway-damned if we do & damned if we don't & that's not to say we are w/o fault for I disagree with my government quite often). I am however tired of USA being the brunt of negativity whereas no other country is ever mentioned.
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Feb 18, 2012 7:55 AM CST USA ability...
Class5
Class5Class5Skankytown, Queensland Australia4 Threads 1,010 Posts
Konigsberg: Good time of day to you Class!

You said: "The US is winding down operations in Afghanistan and in Iraq."

You know, somehow I will trust it is happening when soldier's mothers will CONFIRM that their children are back home. Until then it is just an empty words



Good evening

I think you'll find the troops are already returning from Iraq if you check the news sites.
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Feb 18, 2012 7:56 AM CST USA ability...
Konigsberg
KonigsbergKonigsbergJurassic Park (Site B), Nova Scotia Canada57 Threads 3 Polls 8,448 Posts
Happygolucky4u: I don't think anyone likes wars. Sometimes I do believe they are necessary. When one faces evil to try and stop it are they a hero or are they evil? And whom is to decide who is evil and who is the hero? Trying getting millions of people to agree with one thing and be happy is impossible in my opinion. I believe that if our government feels another war is necessary then they will make a way to afford it. Nuclear weapons are a terrible thing to be in the wrong hands. But are there any right hands for them? Whom would decide who the right hands would be? Someone years ago let the genie out of the bottle. Now not such an easy thing to put back in. I can honestly say if you think that Americans want another war you are wrong. I do not walk down the streets and see them thirsting for war. I know oil is important to a lot of people American and non American. But in truth people survived for eons without it, and could again if need be. But just turn loose the nuclear weapons and see what the future would hold.


Good morning Happy! bouquet

You said: I can honestly say if you think that Americans want another war you are wrong.


I can honestly tell you. Anyone, who thinks that American or people of any country wants a war, are insane.
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Feb 18, 2012 7:59 AM CST USA ability...
Konigsberg
KonigsbergKonigsbergJurassic Park (Site B), Nova Scotia Canada57 Threads 3 Polls 8,448 Posts
tobaa: as us government said about iraq that they have wapouns to wrong, now it is turn of iran for out them of play that is the act of usa government.they don't care about us people or any one eles the just think to them.than why iranian were in demoestration in last election, obama try to deal with iran government? and wrote a letter to khamenei? and when they diden'tany reply ms clinton try to conect with opositions and said you ask us we help you?hehehe.


Thanks a lot for your contribution to a thread, tobaa! wave handshake
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Feb 18, 2012 8:00 AM CST USA ability...
Konigsberg
KonigsbergKonigsbergJurassic Park (Site B), Nova Scotia Canada57 Threads 3 Polls 8,448 Posts
reb56: bush/haliburton,we just got ww1 paid off!yet,they dont want to pay taxes,atleast the president does,pay his fair share.


Hmm ... Is it because they are special? conversing
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Feb 18, 2012 8:03 AM CST USA ability...
Konigsberg
KonigsbergKonigsbergJurassic Park (Site B), Nova Scotia Canada57 Threads 3 Polls 8,448 Posts
maxmate1: Alone No. But with the Monarchy or UK, France and allied forces, Yes. Don't forget the opium production in Afghanistan during war has reached record high. The Fabricated Global financial crisis has already made the pockets deep.
It has no affect on US citizens, but a great effect on the lives of ME citizens.And the latest is that UK and USA are eyeing one of the largest gold and copper reserves in Pakistan's Balouchistan Province. The place is called Reko Diq. The province borders Afghanistan and Iran both. Along with Naval borders with Iran on the straight of Hormuz.

So, as usual, they have fuelled insurgency in Balouchistan and have stirred a lot of trouble by creating and funding separatist movements and supplying arms. Very quietly in the USA congress, a bill was tabled 2 days ago to support the creation of a new country separating Balouchistan from Pakistan.

UK's job provides "asylum" to elements that support the disintegration of Pakistan. All balouch rebel groups are already in Britain.

Ironically, Pakistan is the frontline Ally of USA on the war on Terror, in Afghanistan. Yet, it seems Pakistan will pay the "price" for friendship, in the form of disintegration.

So on the capability front, yes, both USA and UK are quite capable and experienced. On the ability front, I doubt it.


So much information that I've never heard before.

Max, I really glad that we can hear an opinion from your part of the World.

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