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AgentAjax: After many years of research there was only once person who ever mentioned Jesus outside the biblical text, I believe his name Was Josephus. Again, Josephus recording Jewish births and deaths never recorded Jesuses from Nazareth and no original text was found but copies.
Try Pliny the younger.Sure theres 1 or 2 others cant think of them right now been so long since I read them. 1 good book I really enjoyed reading was "Ancient near eastern texts" of course God is dead anyway. He died on the cross right?
AgentAjax: After many years of research there was only once person who ever mentioned Jesus outside the biblical text, I believe his name Was Josephus. Again, Josephus recording Jewish births and deaths never recorded Jesuses from Nazareth and no original text was found but copies.
Krishna makes reference to teaching Jesus (refering to his time "wandering in the desert") while Mohamed acknowledges him as a True Prophet.
tonyxf: Try Pliny the younger.
Sure theres 1 or 2 others cant think of them right now been so long since I read them. 1 good book I really enjoyed reading was "Ancient near eastern texts" of course God is dead anyway. He died on the cross right?
Pliny the Younger like many other Jewish writers never provided proof. Sure theres 1 or 2 others cant think of them right now been so long since I read them. 1 good book I really enjoyed reading was "Ancient near eastern texts" of course God is dead anyway. He died on the cross right?
wash2u: Krishna makes reference to teaching Jesus (refering to his time "wandering in the desert") while Mohamed acknowledges him as a True Prophet.
Sorry but there is no real evidence that Mohammad existed either and Krishna is part of Indian trinity. Mohammad, Buddha, Krishna are all mythological figures.
wrong
Shakyamuni Buddha, was born to Hindu parents who sheltered him from the nature of human suffering, one day he saw a sick guy so he went off and sat under the Bodhi tree
AA you can also find information here: -
Shakyamuni Buddha, was born to Hindu parents who sheltered him from the nature of human suffering, one day he saw a sick guy so he went off and sat under the Bodhi tree
AA you can also find information here: -
robplum: wrong
Shakyamuni Buddha, was born to Hindu parents who sheltered him from the nature of human suffering, one day he saw a sick guy so he went off and sat under the Bodhi tree
AA you can also find information here: -
but Rob that’s like me saying there is plenty of proof for Jesus, just look in the bible. Outside of religious scriptures there is no proof, like proof for Pharaohs up to 10,000 years ago.Shakyamuni Buddha, was born to Hindu parents who sheltered him from the nature of human suffering, one day he saw a sick guy so he went off and sat under the Bodhi tree
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Shakyamuni Buddha is the third Buddha known to have appeared on this earth.
Shakyamuni Buddha, the historical founder of Buddhism, was born in India approximately 2500 years ago. Shakyamuni Buddha was the son of Shuddhodana, the king of the Shakyas, a small tribe whose kingdom was located in the foothills of the Himalayas south of what is now central Nepal fifteen miles from Kapilavastu. Shakya of Shakyamuni is taken from the name of this tribe and muni means sage or saint. His family name was Gautama (Best Cow) and his given name was Siddhartha (Goal Achieved).
If you take the time to read that page you'd better understand he was a living persons who's teachings have been carefully guarded
Shakyamuni Buddha, the historical founder of Buddhism, was born in India approximately 2500 years ago. Shakyamuni Buddha was the son of Shuddhodana, the king of the Shakyas, a small tribe whose kingdom was located in the foothills of the Himalayas south of what is now central Nepal fifteen miles from Kapilavastu. Shakya of Shakyamuni is taken from the name of this tribe and muni means sage or saint. His family name was Gautama (Best Cow) and his given name was Siddhartha (Goal Achieved).
If you take the time to read that page you'd better understand he was a living persons who's teachings have been carefully guarded
last paragraph reads
At the age of eighty, Shakyamuni passed away. The year before his death he stayed at Gridhrakuta (Eagle Peak) in Rajagriha. He set out on his last journey from Gridhrakuta proceeding northward across the Ganges River to Vaishali. He spent the rainy season in Beluva, a village near Vaishali. There he became seriously ill, but recovered and continued to preach in many villages. Eventually he came to a place called Pava in Malla. There he again became ill after eating a meal. Despite his pain, he continued his journey until reaching Kushinagara. There in a grove of sal trees he calmly lay down and spoke his last words. He admonished his disciples, saying, "You must not think that your teacher's words are no more, or that you are left without a teacher. The teachings and precepts I have expounded to you shall be your teacher" It is said that his final words were, "Decay is inherent in all composite things. Work out your salvation with diligence.”
At the age of eighty, Shakyamuni passed away. The year before his death he stayed at Gridhrakuta (Eagle Peak) in Rajagriha. He set out on his last journey from Gridhrakuta proceeding northward across the Ganges River to Vaishali. He spent the rainy season in Beluva, a village near Vaishali. There he became seriously ill, but recovered and continued to preach in many villages. Eventually he came to a place called Pava in Malla. There he again became ill after eating a meal. Despite his pain, he continued his journey until reaching Kushinagara. There in a grove of sal trees he calmly lay down and spoke his last words. He admonished his disciples, saying, "You must not think that your teacher's words are no more, or that you are left without a teacher. The teachings and precepts I have expounded to you shall be your teacher" It is said that his final words were, "Decay is inherent in all composite things. Work out your salvation with diligence.”
robplum: Shakyamuni Buddha is the third Buddha known to have appeared on this earth.
Shakyamuni Buddha, the historical founder of Buddhism, was born in India approximately 2500 years ago. Shakyamuni Buddha was the son of Shuddhodana, the king of the Shakyas, a small tribe whose kingdom was located in the foothills of the Himalayas south of what is now central Nepal fifteen miles from Kapilavastu. Shakya of Shakyamuni is taken from the name of this tribe and muni means sage or saint. His family name was Gautama (Best Cow) and his given name was Siddhartha (Goal Achieved).
If you take the time to read that page you'd better understand he was a living persons who's teachings have been carefully guarded
Shakyamuni Buddha, the historical founder of Buddhism, was born in India approximately 2500 years ago. Shakyamuni Buddha was the son of Shuddhodana, the king of the Shakyas, a small tribe whose kingdom was located in the foothills of the Himalayas south of what is now central Nepal fifteen miles from Kapilavastu. Shakya of Shakyamuni is taken from the name of this tribe and muni means sage or saint. His family name was Gautama (Best Cow) and his given name was Siddhartha (Goal Achieved).
If you take the time to read that page you'd better understand he was a living persons who's teachings have been carefully guarded
Thanks Rob here is a link for you.
yeah i read what the christian had to say
The Buddha gave teachings
The most common and widely known formulation of the Buddha's teaching is that which the Buddha himself announced in the First Sermon at Benares, the formula of the Four Noble Truths.
and another source
Traditional schools of Buddhism hold - as their fundamental belief - Shakyamuni’s first sermon, the teaching of the Four Noble Truths, being:
1- the truth of suffering: dukkah,
2 - the truth of the origin of suffering
3- the truth of the cessation of suffering
4 - the truth of the path to the cessation of suffering.
The teaching of the Four Noble Truths was the first teachings of Shakyamuni Buddha. It is accepted in Traditional Buddhism, however, as the first and the final.
Not all Mahayana sutras regard the first sermon of the Buddha as the final Buddhist teaching and examples are “The Profound Secrets Sutra”, and - in particular - “The Lotus Sutra” , which views the Four Noble Truths as only a preparatory teaching.
The Buddha gave teachings
The most common and widely known formulation of the Buddha's teaching is that which the Buddha himself announced in the First Sermon at Benares, the formula of the Four Noble Truths.
and another source
Traditional schools of Buddhism hold - as their fundamental belief - Shakyamuni’s first sermon, the teaching of the Four Noble Truths, being:
1- the truth of suffering: dukkah,
2 - the truth of the origin of suffering
3- the truth of the cessation of suffering
4 - the truth of the path to the cessation of suffering.
The teaching of the Four Noble Truths was the first teachings of Shakyamuni Buddha. It is accepted in Traditional Buddhism, however, as the first and the final.
Not all Mahayana sutras regard the first sermon of the Buddha as the final Buddhist teaching and examples are “The Profound Secrets Sutra”, and - in particular - “The Lotus Sutra” , which views the Four Noble Truths as only a preparatory teaching.
robplum: yeah i read what the christian had to say
The Buddha gave teachings
The most common and widely known formulation of the Buddha's teaching is that which the Buddha himself announced in the First Sermon at Benares, the formula of the Four Noble Truths.
and another source
Traditional schools of Buddhism hold - as their fundamental belief - Shakyamuni’s first sermon, the teaching of the Four Noble Truths, being:
1- the truth of suffering: dukkah,
2 - the truth of the origin of suffering
3- the truth of the cessation of suffering
4 - the truth of the path to the cessation of suffering.
The teaching of the Four Noble Truths was the first teachings of Shakyamuni Buddha. It is accepted in Traditional Buddhism, however, as the first and the final.
Not all Mahayana sutras regard the first sermon of the Buddha as the final Buddhist teaching and examples are “The Profound Secrets Sutra”, and - in particular - “The Lotus Sutra” , which views the Four Noble Truths as only a preparatory teaching.
The Buddha gave teachings
The most common and widely known formulation of the Buddha's teaching is that which the Buddha himself announced in the First Sermon at Benares, the formula of the Four Noble Truths.
and another source
Traditional schools of Buddhism hold - as their fundamental belief - Shakyamuni’s first sermon, the teaching of the Four Noble Truths, being:
1- the truth of suffering: dukkah,
2 - the truth of the origin of suffering
3- the truth of the cessation of suffering
4 - the truth of the path to the cessation of suffering.
The teaching of the Four Noble Truths was the first teachings of Shakyamuni Buddha. It is accepted in Traditional Buddhism, however, as the first and the final.
Not all Mahayana sutras regard the first sermon of the Buddha as the final Buddhist teaching and examples are “The Profound Secrets Sutra”, and - in particular - “The Lotus Sutra” , which views the Four Noble Truths as only a preparatory teaching.
I think you missed the point. There is no evidence for Buddha!!! First writings were 400 years after his supposed death. So my friend Buddha never wrote anything himself. Same for Jesus, same for Muhammad.
They do have relics
You want to listen to some Christian trying discredit the Buddhist teachings or worse trying to substantiate some comparative value that's your right i really don't mind, if your that inclined then for you in your mind that is how you will continue to perceive what occurred.
I think you or I are completely wasting our time discussing the subject, because whether either one or the other is correct or incorrect, is a complete nonsense. We all believe whatever it is we want to believe, from my side today the teachings are handed down by whom ever we consider as qualified to teach.
Personally i mindfully rejected Christianity after carefully reviewing what was been said in versions of the bible, i deduced Jesus displayed a self cherishing mind, "oh farther why have you for forsaken me"! and therefore for myself i reject his teachings
You want to listen to some Christian trying discredit the Buddhist teachings or worse trying to substantiate some comparative value that's your right i really don't mind, if your that inclined then for you in your mind that is how you will continue to perceive what occurred.
I think you or I are completely wasting our time discussing the subject, because whether either one or the other is correct or incorrect, is a complete nonsense. We all believe whatever it is we want to believe, from my side today the teachings are handed down by whom ever we consider as qualified to teach.
Personally i mindfully rejected Christianity after carefully reviewing what was been said in versions of the bible, i deduced Jesus displayed a self cherishing mind, "oh farther why have you for forsaken me"! and therefore for myself i reject his teachings
They do have relics
You want to listen to some Christian trying discredit the Buddhist teachings or worse trying to substantiate some comparative value that's your right i really don't mind, if your that inclined then for you in your mind that is how you will continue to perceive what occurred.
I think you or I are completely wasting our time discussing the subject, because whether either one or the other is correct or incorrect, is a complete nonsense. We all believe whatever it is we want to believe, from my side today the teachings are handed down by whom ever we consider as qualified to teach.
Personally i mindfully rejected Christianity after carefully reviewing what was been said in versions of the bible, i deduced Jesus displayed a self cherishing mind, "oh father why have you for forsaken me"! and therefore for myself i reject his teachings
You want to listen to some Christian trying discredit the Buddhist teachings or worse trying to substantiate some comparative value that's your right i really don't mind, if your that inclined then for you in your mind that is how you will continue to perceive what occurred.
I think you or I are completely wasting our time discussing the subject, because whether either one or the other is correct or incorrect, is a complete nonsense. We all believe whatever it is we want to believe, from my side today the teachings are handed down by whom ever we consider as qualified to teach.
Personally i mindfully rejected Christianity after carefully reviewing what was been said in versions of the bible, i deduced Jesus displayed a self cherishing mind, "oh father why have you for forsaken me"! and therefore for myself i reject his teachings
robplum: They do have relics
You want to listen to some Christian trying discredit the Buddhist teachings or worse trying to substantiate some comparative value that's your right i really don't mind, if your that inclined then for you in your mind that is how you will continue to perceive what occurred.
I think you or I are completely wasting our time discussing the subject, because whether either one or the other is correct or incorrect, is a complete nonsense. We all believe whatever it is we want to believe, from my side today the teachings are handed down by whom ever we consider as qualified to teach.
Personally i mindfully rejected Christianity after carefully reviewing what was been said in versions of the bible, i deduced Jesus displayed a self cherishing mind, "oh father why have you for forsaken me"! and therefore for myself i reject his teachings
we are different because I only follow evidence. I think we have to be realistic in life on what is and what isn’t. Sure the teachings are great and they might help some people to overcome life’s little problems but science can offer so much more like spinal cord regeneration, a new Iphone, Ipad. 3D TV You want to listen to some Christian trying discredit the Buddhist teachings or worse trying to substantiate some comparative value that's your right i really don't mind, if your that inclined then for you in your mind that is how you will continue to perceive what occurred.
I think you or I are completely wasting our time discussing the subject, because whether either one or the other is correct or incorrect, is a complete nonsense. We all believe whatever it is we want to believe, from my side today the teachings are handed down by whom ever we consider as qualified to teach.
Personally i mindfully rejected Christianity after carefully reviewing what was been said in versions of the bible, i deduced Jesus displayed a self cherishing mind, "oh father why have you for forsaken me"! and therefore for myself i reject his teachings
you'll never know then will you.
There is nothing in Buddhism that is taken on face value, the teachers unlike the limp wristed, don't tell you what to believe or not believe, the teachers like the Buddha, can only point the way, where you might look and why you might look there, the investigation and deduction from your own observation's is what the student is runs with.
Sounds to me like you'll be left right where you are in your understandings if your thinking someone is going to do the doing for you of that, that needs to be investigated, luck AA
There is nothing in Buddhism that is taken on face value, the teachers unlike the limp wristed, don't tell you what to believe or not believe, the teachers like the Buddha, can only point the way, where you might look and why you might look there, the investigation and deduction from your own observation's is what the student is runs with.
Sounds to me like you'll be left right where you are in your understandings if your thinking someone is going to do the doing for you of that, that needs to be investigated, luck AA
AgentAjax: we are different because I only follow evidence. I think we have to be realistic in life on what is and what isn’t. Sure the teachings are great and they might help some people to overcome life’s little problems but science can offer so much more like spinal cord regeneration, a new Iphone, Ipad. 3D TV
As I do not have an IPhone, Ipad or 3D TV, I am probably not qualified to provide comment on how these are so much more a benefit to mankind over faith.
wash2u: As I do not have an IPhone, Ipad or 3D TV, I am probably not qualified to provide comment on how these are so much more a benefit to mankind over faith.
arrrr yes faith
i miss her on here 
Let them suffer the same fate as Cro-magnum man who disappeared off the face of the earth while homo sapiens developed their brains.
Winthrop48: Let them suffer the same fate as Cro-magnum man who disappeared off the face of the earth while homo sapiens developed their brains.
Some literature has that Neatherdal was born with a brain that contained/inherited/has implanted-processing thoughts of its predecessors. Passing on knowledge already learnt. And limited to miniscule learning of what is occuring around them because of brain overload. Or maybe not accepting what is happening because it does not "conform" with their pre-conceived ideas.
Maybe Homo Sapiens enter this world with an empty head.
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