Questioning Christianity (146)
LuvHurts51: Yeah, sometimes I don't know what to make of Paul. He appears to be a woman hater at times, and some times I wonder what the heck he's talking about. However, I feel that God included the epistles for a reason, so I strive to learn from them.
I feel that people of all faiths (or lack thereof) will be going to heaven. I personally think that Catholicism is one of the worst purveyors of paganism in the world. However, I strongly believe that Mother Theresa will make it to heaven way before I will. I think God judges people by what's in their heart, and how they treat other people.
I feel that people of all faiths (or lack thereof) will be going to heaven. I personally think that Catholicism is one of the worst purveyors of paganism in the world. However, I strongly believe that Mother Theresa will make it to heaven way before I will. I think God judges people by what's in their heart, and how they treat other people.
I guess since she is already dead she will be in heaven before you who is still alive. Unless there is some period of time in, let's say, purgatory or such. That is, if there is a heaven after life. Or a hell, eternal torture. I take it you do believe that there is life after death and that one will experience one of these places. Is there any proof that there is life after death and that we will experience these things after life?
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Zebaztian: My experience of judging christians has been more than very bad. I also got burdened by all the words.
But if it sets you free, that's really good.
I honour you and your decision....
But if it sets you free, that's really good.
I honour you and your decision....
and who are you to judge?
To answer the OP - I am a Catholic Christian, but was raised in the Episcopal Church in a Quaker Community and attended a Baptist Youth Group in high school (in addition to my own church's group)
I am a follower if the words of Jesus in the New Testament - that;s it - except that I also am accepting of some eastern philosphy and buddhism - I definitely believe in the intention to cause no harm to others and the insignificance of the self
one of the strength's of catholicism is its ability to adapt to local customs and traditions in many countries so I see no conflict with adopting both buddhist & christian teaching. I am not a church person though
and I think luvhurts contradictions are normal in a person who is growing in faith. We must be thoughtful about what we accept and reject. There is some in Christianity that I do not necessarily accept if it is a teaching of man and not the direct words of Jesus
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Dadude62: I guess since she is already dead she will be in heaven before you who is still alive. Unless there is some period of time in, let's say, purgatory or such. That is, if there is a heaven after life. Or a hell, eternal torture. I take it you do believe that there is life after death and that one will experience one of these places. Is there any proof that there is life after death and that we will experience these things after life?
Not that I know of.
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felixis99: and who are you to judge?
To answer the OP - I am a Catholic Christian, but was raised in the Episcopal Church in a Quaker Community and attended a Baptist Youth Group in high school (in addition to my own church's group)
I am a follower if the words of Jesus in the New Testament - that;s it - except that I also am accepting of some eastern philosphy and buddhism - I definitely believe in the intention to cause no harm to others and the insignificance of the self
one of the strength's of catholicism is its ability to adapt to local customs and traditions in many countries so I see no conflict with adopting both buddhist & christian teaching. I am not a church person though
and I think luvhurts contradictions are normal in a person who is growing in faith. We must be thoughtful about what we accept and reject. There is some in Christianity that I do not necessarily accept if it is a teaching of man and not the direct words of Jesus
To answer the OP - I am a Catholic Christian, but was raised in the Episcopal Church in a Quaker Community and attended a Baptist Youth Group in high school (in addition to my own church's group)
I am a follower if the words of Jesus in the New Testament - that;s it - except that I also am accepting of some eastern philosphy and buddhism - I definitely believe in the intention to cause no harm to others and the insignificance of the self
one of the strength's of catholicism is its ability to adapt to local customs and traditions in many countries so I see no conflict with adopting both buddhist & christian teaching. I am not a church person though
and I think luvhurts contradictions are normal in a person who is growing in faith. We must be thoughtful about what we accept and reject. There is some in Christianity that I do not necessarily accept if it is a teaching of man and not the direct words of Jesus
I think some people are so rigid in their beliefs that they refuse to accept the deeper things which are revealed as we continue to study and grow in faith. If one's beliefs are rigid, they stagnate and can't progress spiritually. I think most religions have something (or maybe many things) of value, but I also think that most religions tend to encourage their adherents to stagnate and follow blindly the teachings of the people who scripted that religion.
Buddhism rocks.
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LuvHurts51: Not that I know of.Not that I know of.
An honest answer,,,
Of course there is no proof that there is "not" either. But then I think the burden of proof is on those who have claimed that there "is" the past few thousand years or longer. I don't think anyone knows for sure one way or the other. In my way of thinking, most likely we will not "be", kind of like it was before we came into existence. We have at least a hint of that.
Do you think that Jesus or any other spiritual giant knew?
I think they did not know it any better then anyone else.
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felixis99: I think we are in align with much of what you are saying here, but I might question whether it is the religions that are stagnant or perhaps it is the leaders who are rigid or stagnate? Some people fear that flexibility means that they will lose control or as leaders they feel they must have all the answers.
An example is the Seventh Day Adventists. Ellen White brought some really good insights and practices into that religion, but the religion has adopted her as their "prophet" and they refuse to move beyond her teachings. The way I see it, she gave them a good start, but there is a lot of ground she didn't cover. For instance, they still teach the Friday crucifixion (a Catholic premise) when there is biblical evidence that it is totally incorrect. This kind of religious blindness is difficult for me to understand. When believers take the traditions of men over the bible, I stand befuddled.
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LuvHurts51: Yeah, sometimes I don't know what to make of Paul. He appears to be a woman hater at times, and some times I wonder what the heck he's talking about. However, I feel that God included the epistles for a reason, so I strive to learn from them.
I feel that people of all faiths (or lack thereof) will be going to heaven. I personally think that Catholicism is one of the worst purveyors of paganism in the world. However, I strongly believe that Mother Theresa will make it to heaven way before I will. I think God judges people by what's in their heart, and how they treat other people.
I feel that people of all faiths (or lack thereof) will be going to heaven. I personally think that Catholicism is one of the worst purveyors of paganism in the world. However, I strongly believe that Mother Theresa will make it to heaven way before I will. I think God judges people by what's in their heart, and how they treat other people.
Paganism is a nature religion that has no intermediary between man and god, such as the catholic priest, the prophet, the pope, the bible etc. It is a direct communication with God. Very different to Catholicism and I don't believe the Catholic church purveys anything remotely 'pagan' at all, and in fact spent many years trying to wipe it and its devotees off the face of the planet.
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LuvHurts51: An example is the Seventh Day Adventists. Ellen White brought some really good insights and practices into that religion, but the religion has adopted her as their "prophet" and they refuse to move beyond her teachings. The way I see it, she gave them a good start, but there is a lot of ground she didn't cover. For instance, they still teach the Friday crucifixion (a Catholic premise) when there is biblical evidence that it is totally incorrect. This kind of religious blindness is difficult for me to understand. When believers take the traditions of men over the bible, I stand befuddled.
I admit I don't know much about the Adventist's but religions with a lot of rigid rules and practices do not appeal to me. Whether the cruicifixion took place on a Friday or a Wednesday is of no consequence to me because I believe that the inward signs are more important than the outward symbols - what matters is the faith in the resurrection and new life - not what day it was - in this way I think sometimes religious people can get involved in debating petty stuff that doesn't matter....at least not to me - but that's just my opinion - perhaps others have their reasons for why that is worth arguing about
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Dadude62: An honest answer,,,
Of course there is no proof that there is "not" either. But then I think the burden of proof is on those who have claimed that there "is" the past few thousand years or longer. I don't think anyone knows for sure one way or the other. In my way of thinking, most likely we will not "be", kind of like it was before we came into existence. We have at least a hint of that.
Do you think that Jesus or any other spiritual giant knew?
I think they did not know it any better then anyone else.
Of course there is no proof that there is "not" either. But then I think the burden of proof is on those who have claimed that there "is" the past few thousand years or longer. I don't think anyone knows for sure one way or the other. In my way of thinking, most likely we will not "be", kind of like it was before we came into existence. We have at least a hint of that.
Do you think that Jesus or any other spiritual giant knew?
I think they did not know it any better then anyone else.
Why must there be a burden of proof? Why can't we each allow others to believe what is right to them, and to change their opinions as they grow spiritually? In my opinion, Jesus knew. He did his best to tell us the truth.
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Bluefish22: Paganism is a nature religion that has no intermediary between man and god, such as the catholic priest, the prophet, the pope, the bible etc. It is a direct communication with God. Very different to Catholicism and I don't believe the Catholic church purveys anything remotely 'pagan' at all, and in fact spent many years trying to wipe it and its devotees off the face of the planet.
Perhaps a poor choice of words on my part. I'm referring to the beliefs that Constantine injected into the Catholic religion. Perhaps he wasn't pagan as we identify it today. What I'm referring to is idol worship, fertility rites, sun worship, etc.
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LuvHurts51: Why must there be a burden of proof? Why can't we each allow others to believe what is right to them, and to change their opinions as they grow spiritually? In my opinion, Jesus knew. He did his best to tell us the truth.
I agree, and I bet he's probably quite horrified that everyone got it wrong, started a religion in his name and started worshipping him instead of his God.------ This thread is Archived ------
Dadude62: An honest answer,,,
Of course there is no proof that there is "not" either. But then I think the burden of proof is on those who have claimed that there "is" the past few thousand years or longer. I don't think anyone knows for sure one way or the other. In my way of thinking, most likely we will not "be", kind of like it was before we came into existence. We have at least a hint of that.
Do you think that Jesus or any other spiritual giant knew?
I think they did not know it any better then anyone else.
Of course there is no proof that there is "not" either. But then I think the burden of proof is on those who have claimed that there "is" the past few thousand years or longer. I don't think anyone knows for sure one way or the other. In my way of thinking, most likely we will not "be", kind of like it was before we came into existence. We have at least a hint of that.
Do you think that Jesus or any other spiritual giant knew?
I think they did not know it any better then anyone else.
why burden of proof? I have my beliefs and no need or reqirement to prove them to anyone. jesus was not a spiritual giant in his lifetime - he was a criminal and a rabble rouser - an annoyance to the authorities and a pest to the temple priests. As he said that a prophet is not loved in his own country, it took most people much time to realize the strengths of his teachings. a few knew who he was: John (both Johns - the baptist and the disciple brother of james), james definitely recognized him, both of the Mary's (mother and the magdelana)Herrod knew as did the centurion - perhaps also Stephen
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LuvHurts51: Perhaps a poor choice of words on my part. I'm referring to the beliefs that Constantine injected into the Catholic religion. Perhaps he wasn't pagan as we identify it today. What I'm referring to is idol worship, fertility rites, sun worship, etc.
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felixis99: I admit I don't know much about the Adventist's but religions with a lot of rigid rules and practices do not appeal to me. Whether the cruicifixion took place on a Friday or a Wednesday is of no consequence to me because I believe that the inward signs are more important than the outward symbols - what matters is the faith in the resurrection and new life - not what day it was - in this way I think sometimes religious people can get involved in debating petty stuff that doesn't matter....at least not to me - but that's just my opinion - perhaps others have their reasons for why that is worth arguing about
One reason that the day of the crucifixion matters is because it is the only proof that Jesus offered that he was the Messiah. Another reason is because it somehow is seen as support of the Sunday sunrise resurrection. The Sunday resurrection is the whole basis of the Catholic church changing the Sabbath day from Saturday to Sunday. Since we are commanded to keep God's appointed Sabbath, if we wish to obey God's commandments, it matters which day we observe. Hence, it all goes back to what day the crucifixion occurred and how that relates to the words of Christ.
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Bluefish22: Do you mean Emporer Constantine of 330 AD?
Yes.
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LuvHurts51: Perhaps a poor choice of words on my part. I'm referring to the beliefs that Constantine injected into the Catholic religion. Perhaps he wasn't pagan as we identify it today. What I'm referring to is idol worship, fertility rites, sun worship, etc.
I think a large part of Catholicism has been influenced by Templar beliefs, hidden agendas, power struggles, and secret keeping, and very little about God.------ This thread is Archived ------
felixis99: why burden of proof? I have my beliefs and no need or reqirement to prove them to anyone. jesus was not a spiritual giant in his lifetime - he was a criminal and a rabble rouser - an annoyance to the authorities and a pest to the temple priests. As he said that a prophet is not loved in his own country, it took most people much time to realize the strengths of his teachings. a few knew who he was: John (both Johns - the baptist and the disciple brother of james), james definitely recognized him, both of the Mary's (mother and the magdelana)Herrod knew as did the centurion - perhaps also Stephen
matthew & Paul too- oddly I think herrod and a tax collector prophesied his influence more aptly than some of his closer associates (who he berated now & then for their doubt and confusion)
it is the gift of new life of the resurection and the flame of the holy spirit at the pentacost that most non Christians do not seem to understand! I agree - not easy concepts!
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LuvHurts51: Yes.
the Templar Knights entered the scene at the same time as Constantine.------ This thread is Archived ------
LuvHurts51: One reason that the day of the crucifixion matters is because it is the only proof that Jesus offered that he was the Messiah. Another reason is because it somehow is seen as support of the Sunday sunrise resurrection. The Sunday resurrection is the whole basis of the Catholic church changing the Sabbath day from Saturday to Sunday. Since we are commanded to keep God's appointed Sabbath, if we wish to obey God's commandments, it matters which day we observe. Hence, it all goes back to what day the crucifixion occurred and how that relates to the words of Christ.
actually sundown saturday night begins our sabbath worship
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