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OMG two families destroyed the poor poor children, i hope they get they need to help them get on with their lives will be tough. just cant get me head around it.
unlaoised: Yea, they've named him now. I can't imagine what his wife must be going through, my god.
seen it on news sad all round
once again they name before proof of guilt..we all know there must be good evidence before arrest , but they arent always 100%
his poor little family,
his poor little family,
unlaoised: The news this morning said that parts of her were recovered...does that mean he carved her up too? OMFG!
It's more likely she was buried only a few inches down and animals got to the body. Hence it being discovered and not all in the shallow grave.
fifitheminx: once again they name before proof of guilt..we all know there must be good evidence before arrest , but they arent always 100%
his poor little family,
his poor little family,
Murder accused are always named Fi as there is no anonymity issues with the victim. Very sad for his family though.
sofarsogood74: Murder accused are always named Fi as there is no anonymity issues with the victim. Very sad for his family though.
the whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth...its her business if she was on a S&M site n met him there, not ours..shes dead and cant do anything about everyone knowing her business..
very sad really.
fifitheminx: the whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth...its her business if she was on a S&M site n met him there, not ours..shes dead and cant do anything about everyone knowing her business..
very sad really.
very sad really.
Unfortunately dead people don't have rights but I agree that the public didn't need to know the gritty details.
fifitheminx: once again they name before proof of guilt..we all know there must be good evidence before arrest , but they arent always 100%
his poor little family,
his poor little family,
sofarsogood74: Unfortunately dead people don't have rights but I agree that the public didn't need to know the gritty details.
think it has tightened peoples guards though to what is out there ,your safety is main priority when meeting strangersjust looked up website normally couples goes to meeting and catch up.thats their lives not saying anything wrong each to their own. My heart goes out to the families involved and most of all his children can you imagine them in a school yard at lunch time, children has always have said things in the playground just not realising what hurt it could cause.I just hope the media dont hound any of the two families.
mjpd67: ok didnt see or hear it yet thanks for the info
it must take a while for the news to reach the west of ireland .lol..
he was taken into a mental hospital for a month when her body was discovered !
i wonder why!! and he has pleaded Not GuiltyIts all very very sad for everyone involved but it will make people more aware of their safety when meeting new people.
and more to the point that mans wife must not have known the murderer she was living with and had children with.
Its unbelievable
and more to the point that mans wife must not have known the murderer she was living with and had children with.
Its unbelievable
sharina: he was taken into a mental hospital for a month when her body was discovered ! i wonder why!! and he has pleaded Not Guilty
I have not followed the news on this case, but while this guy of course could be a psychopathic serial killer or one in the making.. it could also be that he's an ordinary guy who simply found himself in a situation where he didn't know what to do anymore and snapped. His marriage could have gone through a really rough spot, he turned elsewhere to have physical needs fulfilled (which is bad, not excusing it, people should communicate, but we aren't living in an ideal world :'/).
Could be the victim had turned into a stalker, started to threaten him to tell his wife, and maybe despite him having cheated, he suddenly realized he did not wish to lose her/his family.
None of that would excuse murder, definitely not, but the fact he checked himself into a mental hospital (if he so did) could be an indication that he really is just an ordinary man who found himself in a situation where he knew no other way out and made a terribly wrong decision.
Victims can be culprits too, of other crimes, we have no way of telling without exact details, but I think the possibility that she maybe started to stalk and threaten should be something those who have a tendency for such things, should look at closely.
Perpetrators can turn into victims themselves, if the target of their 'affection' is under enough mental strain, I'd say.
tinyfangs: I have not followed the news on this case, but while this guy of course could be a psychopathic serial killer or one in the making.. it could also be that he's an ordinary guy who simply found himself in a situation where he didn't know what to do anymore and snapped. His marriage could have gone through a really rough spot, he turned elsewhere to have physical needs fulfilled (which is bad, not excusing it, people should communicate, but we aren't living in an ideal world :'/).
Could be the victim had turned into a stalker, started to threaten him to tell his wife, and maybe despite him having cheated, he suddenly realized he did not wish to lose her/his family.
None of that would excuse murder, definitely not, but the fact he checked himself into a mental hospital (if he so did) could be an indication that he really is just an ordinary man who found himself in a situation where he knew no other way out and made a terribly wrong decision.
Victims can be culprits too, of other crimes, we have no way of telling without exact details, but I think the possibility that she maybe started to stalk and threaten should be something those who have a tendency for such things, should look at closely.
Perpetrators can turn into victims themselves, if the target of their 'affection' is under enough mental strain, I'd say.
Could be the victim had turned into a stalker, started to threaten him to tell his wife, and maybe despite him having cheated, he suddenly realized he did not wish to lose her/his family.
None of that would excuse murder, definitely not, but the fact he checked himself into a mental hospital (if he so did) could be an indication that he really is just an ordinary man who found himself in a situation where he knew no other way out and made a terribly wrong decision.
Victims can be culprits too, of other crimes, we have no way of telling without exact details, but I think the possibility that she maybe started to stalk and threaten should be something those who have a tendency for such things, should look at closely.
Perpetrators can turn into victims themselves, if the target of their 'affection' is under enough mental strain, I'd say.
wow Tinyfangs
If I was a friend or family member of Elaine O'Hara (the murder VICTIM) this would make very hard reading!
I'd be very careful about writing fabricated flip side stories on a PUBLIC forum. You do know that ANYONE can read these? You do not need an account to have a nosy on the forums here!
I understand you are trying to see both sides (maybe) or give reasons for actions???? Actually NO....I don't understand why you would write this at all.....
I glad they caught this piece of filth and hopefully he will be jailed for a long time.
tinyfangs: What I am saying is that we do not know the details, and there could be things more complicated at work. As a writer of novels, I am used to creating characters and whole backgrounds for an event within a story. I just do not like the lynch mob mentality, if we have no clue what truly went on. The scenario I mentioned is just one scenario of many possible scenarios. We simply do not know.
You said initially it is a media story you did not follow or read up on.....so maybe you should!
A lady was murdered and they caught the man responsible so I feel you should have some respect for the dead and her loved ones.
Here is not the place to be musing about what may or may not have happened.
And creative writing is just that.....creative.....this is a real life nasty murder that happened. Not only did he end this lady's life but he concealed it and hid her body for over a year.
its hard enough trying to get a woman to meet you off the internet now after what this a**hole did..dates will be like hens teeth...everybodies chatting but nobody meets
tinyfangs: I did not follow this story further beyond what I read up on innitially, so I am not sure wether any new findings have been published (which I doubt, I'd assume the investigation is still ongoing, looking at the time frame).
Diva.. try understand what I am attempting to say - stalkers exist. To varying degrees, and who knows, some of them might be reading this, and while I do not claim this happened in this case - any stalker out there, be aware you could cross path with an individual who could turn instable and dangerous when pushed too much, depending on a situation.
I rather put my foot in but use the opportunity to speak such warning, who knows what terribly event it could prevent.
And if we speak of respect for the dead, we should also speak our respect for the law system, which means not guilty until proven to be aso. I studied law (didn't finish, but got 3 years of it under my belt), and while not perfct, the system is meant to prevent premature conclusions. We can speculate, but we can't treat it as if we know he did it, or well.. we can.. but I wonder whether we'd like it if we'd be accused of something and others would pass judgements before a trial has been conducted.
Diva.. try understand what I am attempting to say - stalkers exist. To varying degrees, and who knows, some of them might be reading this, and while I do not claim this happened in this case - any stalker out there, be aware you could cross path with an individual who could turn instable and dangerous when pushed too much, depending on a situation.
I rather put my foot in but use the opportunity to speak such warning, who knows what terribly event it could prevent.
And if we speak of respect for the dead, we should also speak our respect for the law system, which means not guilty until proven to be aso. I studied law (didn't finish, but got 3 years of it under my belt), and while not perfct, the system is meant to prevent premature conclusions. We can speculate, but we can't treat it as if we know he did it, or well.. we can.. but I wonder whether we'd like it if we'd be accused of something and others would pass judgements before a trial has been conducted.
Fangs: you must think I am some sort of naive fool if you see fit to warn me on the dangers of stalkers etc....let me assure you I am not!
I know there are dangerous people "out there", that is not what I was commenting on.
To be clear, my comments are about you writing speculative fantasy scenarios that are a slur on the lady who was murdered....saying she may have stalked the murderer or threatened to tell his wife.
You can bandy your "almost degree in law" around at me all you like but I am not debating the legal system here (I do know about it thanks anyway)....I am debating that your "creative" post was disrespectful and disgusted me personally.
If you do not understand me fine...we can agree to differ, but please spare me any more of your lectures on the law and dangerous people! Try and stick to the issue I raised about your post if you want to debate this further!
Fangs: okay so you cannot stick to the topic and have waffled on and on
I will bid you a lovely Sunday
I have things to do today and feel at this stage I am wasting my time with this.
I will bid you a lovely Sunday
I have things to do today and feel at this stage I am wasting my time with this.
tinyfangs: let's not fight, and please know I do feel deeply for all involved in this case, as with every case where violence and tragedy comes to pass.
I think to me it is about the psychology of crimes, as well as our own reactions to it. We see a victim and a perpetrator, and feelings of wrongs and right raise in us, which is good in my view!
Same time though there can be scenarios which suddenly challenge us and our orginal perception. They can be very uncomfortable, but that to me is all the more reason to remain open to them.
A wonderful Sunday to you ^^
We are still alive and should be smiling at each other instead of arguing
I think to me it is about the psychology of crimes, as well as our own reactions to it. We see a victim and a perpetrator, and feelings of wrongs and right raise in us, which is good in my view!
Same time though there can be scenarios which suddenly challenge us and our orginal perception. They can be very uncomfortable, but that to me is all the more reason to remain open to them.
A wonderful Sunday to you ^^
We are still alive and should be smiling at each other instead of arguing
No, you should be arguing and fighting!
There's nothing like two women fighting, I love it.....it stirs something deep inside of me........so carry on!
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The news this morning said that parts of her were recovered...does that mean he carved her up too? OMFG!