Individuality VS The clique ( Archived) (185)

Feb 9, 2014 3:48 PM CST Individuality VS The clique
Freedomofspeech9
Freedomofspeech9Freedomofspeech9Swansea, Dyfed, Wales UK94 Threads 67 Polls 799 Posts
What is a clique and why do they exist?

A clique is group of people who are in a close nit group and are not excepting of others or their ideas.

Cliques exist because one self serving person manages to influence other folks into their way of thinking and if they want them to ignore other folks they will do so, because they do not wish to be out of favour with the leader or the other members of the clique.

Cliques are very bad news and individuality or courage is not something those members have, but meanness, ignorance and outright stupidity underlines the mindset of a clique.

My view on individuality is that one is free to think for themselves, make one’s own decisions without outside influences and be accepting of others or their opinions.

I have always made my own decisions, will not be influenced by what others think and will always be my own man!

are you a follower or are you a individual?
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Feb 9, 2014 3:49 PM CST Individuality VS The clique
2girlsnocup
2girlsnocup2girlsnocupunknown, Greater London, England UK28 Threads 1 Polls 2,621 Posts
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

I'm too damned lazy and lack commitment to be in a clique.
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Feb 9, 2014 3:51 PM CST Individuality VS The clique
Freedomofspeech9
Freedomofspeech9Freedomofspeech9Swansea, Dyfed, Wales UK94 Threads 67 Polls 799 Posts
2girlsnocup: I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

I'm too damned lazy and lack commitment to be in a clique.
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Feb 9, 2014 3:51 PM CST Individuality VS The clique
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Freedomofspeech9: What is a clique and why do they exist?

A clique is group of people who are in a close nit group and are not excepting of others or their ideas.

Cliques exist because one self serving person manages to influence other folks into their way of thinking and if they want them to ignore other folks they will do so, because they do not wish to be out of favour with the leader or the other members of the clique.

Cliques are very bad news and individuality or courage is not something those members have, but meanness, ignorance and outright stupidity underlines the mindset of a clique.

My view on individuality is that one is free to think for themselves, make one’s own decisions without outside influences and be accepting of others or their opinions.

I have always made my own decisions, will not be influenced by what others think and will always be my own man!

are you a follower or are you a individual?




I'm a clique of my own.ME
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Feb 9, 2014 3:56 PM CST Individuality VS The clique
Freedomofspeech9
Freedomofspeech9Freedomofspeech9Swansea, Dyfed, Wales UK94 Threads 67 Polls 799 Posts
Ccincy: I'm a clique of my own.ME

That's the best clique anybody could be inbeer
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Feb 9, 2014 3:56 PM CST Individuality VS The clique
LadyDiz2
LadyDiz2LadyDiz2Jhb, Gauteng South Africa1,740 Posts
2girlsnocup: I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

I'm too damned lazy and lack commitment to be in a clique.


All you say plus I'm kinda of used to not having to answer to anyone. More of a loner than a team player. wave
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Feb 9, 2014 3:57 PM CST Individuality VS The clique
jono7
jono7jono7Out West, British Columbia Canada3 Threads 8,017 Posts
Freedomofspeech9: What is a clique and why do they exist?

A clique is group of people who are in a close nit group and are not excepting of others or their ideas.

Cliques exist because one self serving person manages to influence other folks into their way of thinking and if they want them to ignore other folks they will do so, because they do not wish to be out of favour with the leader or the other members of the clique.

Cliques are very bad news and individuality or courage is not something those members have, but meanness, ignorance and outright stupidity underlines the mindset of a clique.

My view on individuality is that one is free to think for themselves, make one’s own decisions without outside influences and be accepting of others or their opinions.

I have always made my own decisions, will not be influenced by what others think and will always be my own man!

are you a follower or are you a individual?


it's an interesting question.
i think of myself as an individual, making my own choices.
truth be told though...i'm not even sure i have the awareness to know the answer to your question.
sometimes i think i'm choosing...only to find out later i have been influenced heavily by media, society, etal...

let me ask you a question, please.

when you are in a relationship...does this influence your decisions...does what your partner thinks about something influence your decisions, or are you still your own man independent of what she thinks?

wine
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Feb 9, 2014 3:58 PM CST Individuality VS The clique
rebel2
rebel2rebel2Alicante, Valencia Spain8 Threads 6,354 Posts
No one would have me in there clique if I wanted to be in it anyway laugh
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Feb 9, 2014 3:59 PM CST Individuality VS The clique
Freedomofspeech9
Freedomofspeech9Freedomofspeech9Swansea, Dyfed, Wales UK94 Threads 67 Polls 799 Posts
LadyDiz2: All you say plus I'm kinda of used to not having to answer to anyone. More of a loner than a team player.

Good folks on these threads and I may leave the blogs nowthumbs up
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Feb 9, 2014 4:16 PM CST Individuality VS The clique
Freedomofspeech9
Freedomofspeech9Freedomofspeech9Swansea, Dyfed, Wales UK94 Threads 67 Polls 799 Posts
jono7: it's an interesting question.
i think of myself as an individual, making my own choices.
truth be told though...i'm not even sure i have the awareness to know the answer to your question.
sometimes i think i'm choosing...only to find out later i have been influenced heavily by media, society, etal...

let me ask you a question, please.

when you are in a relationship...does this influence your decisions...does what your partner thinks about something influence your decisions, or are you still your own man independent of what she thinks?


Yes I am influenced somewhat by my girlfriend and would obviously protect her from others if they tried to hurt her feelings or threatened her in anyway, but I am still my own man and she is her own woman.

I would never join a clique and I will always be my own manbeer
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Feb 9, 2014 4:26 PM CST Individuality VS The clique
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
Freedomofspeech9: What is a clique and why do they exist?

A clique is group of people who are in a close nit group and are not excepting of others or their ideas.

Cliques exist because one self serving person manages to influence other folks into their way of thinking and if they want them to ignore other folks they will do so, because they do not wish to be out of favour with the leader or the other members of the clique.

Cliques are very bad news and individuality or courage is not something those members have, but meanness, ignorance and outright stupidity underlines the mindset of a clique.

My view on individuality is that one is free to think for themselves, make one’s own decisions without outside influences and be accepting of others or their opinions.

I have always made my own decisions, will not be influenced by what others think and will always be my own man!

are you a follower or are you a individual?

So, if meanness, ignorance and stupidity underlines the the mindset of the clique, what underlines the mindset of a group of people who gather together on a forum to judge others who they refer to as belonging to a clique?

Is there not a leader here, and followers?
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Feb 9, 2014 4:28 PM CST Individuality VS The clique
Newchat
NewchatNewchatCarlow, Ireland5 Threads 27 Posts
Freedomofspeech9: What is a clique and why do they exist?

A clique is group of people who are in a close nit group and are not excepting of others or their ideas.

Cliques exist because one self serving person manages to influence other folks into their way of thinking and if they want them to ignore other folks they will do so, because they do not wish to be out of favour with the leader or the other members of the clique.

Cliques are very bad news and individuality or courage is not something those members have, but meanness, ignorance and outright stupidity underlines the mindset of a clique

My view on individuality is that one is free to think for themselves, make one’s own decisions without outside influences and be accepting of others or their opinions.

I have always made my own decisions, will not be influenced by what others think and will always be my own man!

are you a follower or are you a individual?





WELL SAID applause
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Feb 9, 2014 4:32 PM CST Individuality VS The clique
Freedomofspeech9
Freedomofspeech9Freedomofspeech9Swansea, Dyfed, Wales UK94 Threads 67 Polls 799 Posts
2girlsnocup: I can have groupies? I think I will have some of them please, but only if they will dress in Minion outfits.
rolling on the floor laughing
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Feb 9, 2014 4:38 PM CST Individuality VS The clique
Freedomofspeech9
Freedomofspeech9Freedomofspeech9Swansea, Dyfed, Wales UK94 Threads 67 Polls 799 Posts
jac379: So, if meanness, ignorance and stupidity underlines the the mindset of the clique, what underlines the mindset of a group of people who gather together on a forum to judge others who they refer to as belonging to a clique?

Is there not a leader here, and followers?

Nope we are all individuals expressing our own individual views on this subject and nobody is trying to influence anybody tip hat
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Feb 9, 2014 4:40 PM CST Individuality VS The clique
Ana13
Ana13Ana13Winchester, Hampshire, England UK3 Threads 147 Posts
Freedomofspeech9: Yes it is a smokescreen and leaders of these cliques are self serving individuals who claim to be looking out for everybody in the group, but in reality they are only looking out for themselves and just looking to get noticed no matter what.

I am only on one persons side and that is my own, but I will always treat folks fairly and not judge others no matter what others may say about them


thumbs up However, I don't see myself as being on anyone's side unless I agree with them of course or feel they are being "hounded" unfairly even though I may not agree with their point of view. It's not easy to be non-judgemental, most of us are at one time or another whether we want to be or not. I guess it's much easier to be so without the benefit of sitting face to face and chatting normally rather than than what we do online with people who are in all reality complete strangers.
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Feb 9, 2014 4:47 PM CST Individuality VS The clique
Happygolucky4uonline today!
Happygolucky4uonline today!Happygolucky4uTreasure Coast, Florida USA25 Threads 4 Polls 6,241 Posts
Freedomofspeech9: What is a clique and why do they exist?

A clique is group of people who are in a close nit group and are not excepting of others or their ideas.

Cliques exist because one self serving person manages to influence other folks into their way of thinking and if they want them to ignore other folks they will do so, because they do not wish to be out of favour with the leader or the other members of the clique.

Cliques are very bad news and individuality or courage is not something those members have, but meanness, ignorance and outright stupidity underlines the mindset of a clique.

My view on individuality is that one is free to think for themselves, make one’s own decisions without outside influences and be accepting of others or their opinions.

I have always made my own decisions, will not be influenced by what others think and will always be my own man!

are you a follower or are you a individual?
You know cliques remind me to much of a childs game. The one thing I find so sad is some people do not seem to out grow them. My grand daughter and I were out to dinner last night and we talked about this. And I told her because of this at my work place I chose to sit at a table alone and eat at break. In between the two groups. I talk to both groups. Yet feel I would rather sit alone than to choose just one. My question to my grand daughter was did she not feel that cliques are something adults should leave in their childhood. Can we not become more understanding of others and differences when we get older. I guess I have decided that cliques are childish and don't belong in an adults life and I like it that way. My decisions are mine usually based upon my own self centeredness, but mine all the same.
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Feb 9, 2014 5:05 PM CST Individuality VS The clique
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
Freedomofspeech9: Nope we are all individuals expressing our own individual views on this subject and nobody is trying to influence anybody

In your OP you've defined, described and judged 'cliques' in one particular manner.

A less influential OP would have been to ask what people think a clique is, or to define and describe in two, or more ways to display a balanced perspective.

If you look at the social dynamics of threads there is a tendency for 'tides' of opinion. People have a natural tendency to express their thoughts and feelings when they feel safe to do so: often the tide of the thread will go in one direction, but when someone voices an alternative perspective others feel safe also to express an/the alternative.

By expressing my thoughts and feelings, I might create an alternative perspective. That may influence people, either way, to voice their agreement, disagreement, or something else.

Ultimately, if someone sitting in a room by themselves is joined by another, even if that newcomer is entirely passive the dynamic will change. They will have some kind of influence upon each other, even if that's simply an awareness of each other. Such is human nature.

Now, say if a group of charity fund raisers work together and like to work with each other, could they not be a clique, too? What if they've found if others join them they don't work so well, or the group becomes inefficient, or unwieldy? How would that fit with your description of meanness, ignorance and stupidity?

I wonder if you're describing a particular social dynamic that might be better described without the label of 'clique' and without the negative judgement? You might find the outcome of the dynamic negative, or unpleasant, but might that be to do with the way you're reacting to it? Might you influence yourself by working out why it evokes negative feelings for yourself and so resolve those unpleasant consequences for yourself?
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Feb 9, 2014 5:05 PM CST Individuality VS The clique
Freedomofspeech9
Freedomofspeech9Freedomofspeech9Swansea, Dyfed, Wales UK94 Threads 67 Polls 799 Posts
Ana13: However, I don't see myself as being on anyone's side unless I agree with them of course or feel they are being "hounded" unfairly even though I may not agree with their point of view. It's not easy to be non-judgemental, most of us are at one time or another whether we want to be or not. I guess it's much easier to be so without the benefit of sitting face to face and chatting normally rather than than what we do online with people who are in all reality complete strangers.


Yes it's easy for some to hide behind a computer screen and pretend to somebody they are not and they will even invent life stories that have no element of truth in them, because they can't get anybody to notice them in the real world.

On here I have the same personality I have in real life and when a subject matter pops into my head I write about it, because I enjoy sharing my thoughts on various subjects with others and I am always welcoming of others individual opinionscheers
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Feb 9, 2014 5:09 PM CST Individuality VS The clique
Freedomofspeech9
Freedomofspeech9Freedomofspeech9Swansea, Dyfed, Wales UK94 Threads 67 Polls 799 Posts
Happygolucky4u: You know cliques remind me to much of a childs game. The one thing I find so sad is some people do not seem to out grow them. My grand daughter and I were out to dinner last night and we talked about this. And I told her because of this at my work place I chose to sit at a table alone and eat at break. In between the two groups. I talk to both groups. Yet feel I would rather sit alone than to choose just one. My question to my grand daughter was did she not feel that cliques are something adults should leave in their childhood. Can we not become more understanding of others and differences when we get older. I guess I have decided that cliques are childish and don't belong in an adults life and I like it that way. My decisions are mine usually based upon my own self centeredness, but mine all the same.


You are very wise lady and I agree with everything you just wrote about, because we are all individuals and should never let groups dictate our actionsbeer
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Feb 9, 2014 5:23 PM CST Individuality VS The clique
Freedomofspeech9
Freedomofspeech9Freedomofspeech9Swansea, Dyfed, Wales UK94 Threads 67 Polls 799 Posts
jac379: In your OP you've defined, described and judged 'cliques' in one particular manner.

A less influential OP would have been to ask what people think a clique is, or to define and describe in two, or more ways to display a balanced perspective.

If you look at the social dynamics of threads there is a tendency for 'tides' of opinion. People have a natural tendency to express their thoughts and feelings when they feel safe to do so: often the tide of the thread will go in one direction, but when someone voices an alternative perspective others feel safe also to express an/the alternative.

By expressing my thoughts and feelings, I might create an alternative perspective. That may influence people, either way, to voice their agreement, disagreement, or something else.

Ultimately, if someone sitting in a room by themselves is joined by another, even if that newcomer is entirely passive the dynamic will change. They will have some kind of influence upon each other, even if that's simply an awareness of each other. Such is human nature.

Now, say if a group of charity fund raisers work together and like to work with each other, could they not be a clique, too? What if they've found if others join them they don't work so well, or the group becomes inefficient, or unwieldy? How would that fit with your description of meanness, ignorance and stupidity?

I wonder if you're describing a particular social dynamic that might be better described without the label of 'clique' and without the negative judgement? You might find the outcome of the dynamic negative, or unpleasant, but might that be to do with the way you're reacting to it? Might you influence yourself by working out why it evokes negative feelings for yourself and so resolve those unpleasant consequences for yourself?


You are very much entitled to have a alternative view to the thread I wrote and if you wish to express your love for cliques then do so, but don't try and say I am wrong by express my individual opinion or attack anybody else who happens to agree with that opinion just because you don't.

Charity fund raisers are not part of a clique, because they are all working for the greater good for a charity and are always accepting of others help or ideas, but cliques or should I say 'gangs' are run by self serving individuals who are only looking out for themselves and nothing or nobody else.
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