Is George Clooney right???? ( Archived) (845)

Feb 13, 2014 12:49 PM CST Is George Clooney right????
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
almera03: Concrete proof. You have the documentation?
Google your friend,its all there.-cheers
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Feb 13, 2014 1:08 PM CST Is George Clooney right????
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
chris27292729: Within a week G.Clooney twice said, the Greek marbles housed in the British Museum must return to Greece. The Guardian newspaper,based on Clooney's comments,made a poll,asking,if G.Clooney is right.So far 70% voted YES. What are you voting??? NAY or YAY


YAY -- and the british monarchy and government should be shining shoes and boots for the rest of the world too..... uh oh
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Feb 13, 2014 1:12 PM CST Is George Clooney right????
almera03
almera03almera03portsmouth, Hampshire, England UK11 Threads 3,913 Posts
chris27292729: Google your friend,its all there.-
Cook adds that these documents were handed to these two officers by Lusieri and even copies of them did not survive. The truth is that documents issued by any Turkish authority were always held by the persons concerned and not by the authorities addressed to and only one copy of them was recorded in the register of every kadas. It is thus curious, to say the least, that none of the Turkish documents alleged to have been issued for the removal of the Acropolis marbles has survived.

So how can you have documentation dunno
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Feb 13, 2014 1:51 PM CST Is George Clooney right????
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
So you have read.Good Man Lord Elgin. Ambassador,stealing artifacts with intentions selling them to the British government,dismembering the unique sculpture of Parthenon,as well his legacy,as a common thief.cheers cheers cheers
almera03: Cook adds that these documents were handed to these two officers by Lusieri and even copies of them did not survive. The truth is that documents issued by any Turkish authority were always held by the persons concerned and not by the authorities addressed to and only one copy of them was recorded in the register of every kadas. It is thus curious, to say the least, that none of the Turkish documents alleged to have been issued for the removal of the Acropolis marbles has survived.

So how can you have documentation
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Feb 13, 2014 1:54 PM CST Is George Clooney right????
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
galrads: YAY -- and the british monarchy and government should be shining shoes and boots for the rest of the world too.....
Now Galrads,looking fo trouble.You'll have the Brits after you.rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Feb 13, 2014 1:54 PM CST Is George Clooney right????
almera03
almera03almera03portsmouth, Hampshire, England UK11 Threads 3,913 Posts
chris27292729: So you have read.Good Man Lord Elgin. Ambassador,stealing artifacts with intentions selling them to the British government,dismembering the unique sculpture of Parthenon,as well his legacy,as a common thief.
No, you obviously have trouble with eye sight. Where does it say there that there were no documents, it say's none survive. So where is your concrete proof.
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Feb 13, 2014 1:59 PM CST Is George Clooney right????
unlaoised
unlaoisedunlaoisedTwilight zone, Wicklow Ireland34 Threads 12,152 Posts
Stedan: Slightly lisped.... Catfoot


laugh He is, indeed. A countryman of mine smile
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Feb 13, 2014 2:02 PM CST Is George Clooney right????
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
almera03: No, you obviously have trouble with eye sight. Where does it say there that there were no documents, it say's none survive. So where is your concrete proof.
Even better,is stolen property,if no documents survived.cheers grin
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Feb 13, 2014 2:14 PM CST Is George Clooney right????
Justus1
Justus1Justus1Kitchener, Ontario Canada5 Threads 187 Posts
Feb 13, 2014 2:14 PM CST Is George Clooney right????
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
chris27292729: Now Galrads,looking fo trouble.You'll have the Brits after you.


Nah, they have better things to do, like guarding stolen Greek Artifacts, as well as shinning shoes/boots.
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Feb 13, 2014 2:33 PM CST Is George Clooney right????
almera03
almera03almera03portsmouth, Hampshire, England UK11 Threads 3,913 Posts
that was my point earlier, it pops up again and again, by the OP
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Feb 13, 2014 2:38 PM CST Is George Clooney right????
almera03
almera03almera03portsmouth, Hampshire, England UK11 Threads 3,913 Posts
chris27292729: Even better,is stolen property,if no documents survived.
The document, so much desired by Elgin and his men, and used to justify the removal of the Parthenon metopes, the Caryatid, and other antiquities from the Acropolis, was at last issued on 1 July 1801. A few days earlier, the French army in Egypt surrendered to the British army. It seems that Elgin took advantage of the situation and was granted by the Turks, as a gesture of gratitude, what he had been requesting, to no avail, for a long time. Elgin received it on 6 July and, two days later, Hunt, who was in Constantinople again, left for Athens, arriving on the twenty-second of the same month. He presented it to the Turkish authorities the next day; Elgin's workmen were now free to begin their task

You first said you have concrete proof and now admit there isn't any.

For something to not survive it must have been there in the first place.

You are full of something Chris
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Feb 13, 2014 2:50 PM CST Is George Clooney right????
benni2
benni2benni2eire, Tipperary Ireland26 Threads 2,399 Posts
just give the chap his marbles back
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Feb 13, 2014 2:58 PM CST Is George Clooney right????
damshoppin
damshoppindamshoppinmansfield, Nottinghamshire, England UK30 Threads 693 Posts
We want our chip shops back first!
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Feb 13, 2014 3:21 PM CST Is George Clooney right????
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
damshoppin: We want our chip shops back first!
Poor you ,no fish and chipsrolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Feb 13, 2014 3:29 PM CST Is George Clooney right????
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
benni2: just give the chap his marbles back
Oh, well, when those marbles were created by artists,others were growling.
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Feb 13, 2014 3:33 PM CST Is George Clooney right????
benni2
benni2benni2eire, Tipperary Ireland26 Threads 2,399 Posts
chris27292729: Oh, well, when those marbles were created by artists,others were growling.
had a nice wee collection myself once.aah ya kinda grow out of em do{think i was 8}
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Feb 13, 2014 3:35 PM CST Is George Clooney right????
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
chris27292729: Oh, well, when those marbles were created by artists,others were growling.



ha ha , well I ask you Chris, what are you going to do, grin grin grin grin tongue
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Feb 13, 2014 3:50 PM CST Is George Clooney right????
2girlsnocup
2girlsnocup2girlsnocupunknown, Greater London, England UK28 Threads 1 Polls 2,621 Posts
chris27292729: Within a week G.Clooney twice said, the Greek marbles housed in the British Museum must return to Greece. The Guardian newspaper,based on Clooney's comments,made a poll,asking,if G.Clooney is right.So far 70% voted YES. What are you voting??? NAY or YAY


Have to wonder if they hadn't been shipped to England all those years ago, and kept in good condition, would they have been stolen by a private collector and lost forever?
At least they are safe and not likely to be hidden away forever.

Now, I will admit to not knowing the exact status now, but is Greece able to finance the security of them should they be given back?
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Feb 13, 2014 3:54 PM CST Is George Clooney right????
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
2girlsnocup: Have to wonder if they hadn't been shipped to England all those years ago, and kept in good condition, would they have been stolen by a private collector and lost forever?
At least they are safe and not likely to be hidden away forever.

Now, I will admit to not knowing the exact status now, but is Greece able to finance the security of them should they be given back?


Good point, they can't even look after the acropolis it is being destroyed by the weather and bits replaced with modern materialsdunno
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