It's official, the "War on Drugs" is lost ( Archived) (15)

Mar 1, 2014 9:54 PM CST It's official, the "War on Drugs" is lost
In fact it was never winnable.

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Mar 2, 2014 3:04 AM CST It's official, the "War on Drugs" is lost
OutsideofBali
OutsideofBaliOutsideofBaliBaden, Aargau Switzerland112 Posts
ooby_dooby: In fact it was never winnable.



I've not read the article and I personal believe that war against anything never works. We've to "fight" for what we want! In this case it's a drug free society so the attention and efforts have to be put into raising children in a way that they'll never be drawn to take drugs. If there's no demand there's no business to make.
In other words, deal with the cause and not the symptoms.
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Mar 2, 2014 3:12 AM CST It's official, the "War on Drugs" is lost
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 16,544 Posts
OutsideofBali: I've not read the article and I personal believe that war against anything never works. We've to "fight" for what we want! In this case it's a drug free society so the attention and efforts have to be put into raising children in a way that they'll never be drawn to take drugs. If there's no demand there's no business to make.
In other words, deal with the cause and not the symptoms.


That's the only way. thumbs up

wave bouquet
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Mar 2, 2014 3:33 AM CST It's official, the "War on Drugs" is lost
twinself
twinselftwinself..., Majjistral Malta36 Threads 1,347 Posts
It's the Law of Attraction in motion. The more you give attention to something, whether good or bad, the more you will attract it.

Being positive in thought, we would not need to *fight* anything... The Universe would take care of things in its own way.....
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Mar 2, 2014 5:11 AM CST It's official, the "War on Drugs" is lost
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 16,544 Posts
twinself: It's the Law of Attraction in motion. The more you give attention to something, whether good or bad, the more you will attract it.

Being positive in thought, we would not need to *fight* anything... The Universe would take care of things in its own way.....


I appreciate what you're saying, but in some instances, it just doesn't work. I somehow doubt the Universe expected heroin, meth, cocaine, etc., and the violence associated with it to be on the planet.

Violence begets violence, and for some, violence is the only language they understand, and so be it.

I don't see a problem with ridding the entire planet of the people involved in this trade, by any means possible, without prejudice.
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Mar 2, 2014 5:57 AM CST It's official, the "War on Drugs" is lost
OutsideofBali
OutsideofBaliOutsideofBaliBaden, Aargau Switzerland112 Posts
kidatheart: That's the only way.


wave bouquet

I took a look at the article or better pictures.. Wouldn't it be great they would invest that money into a holistic education and the thriving of little communities? Prevention instead of rehabilitation.
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Mar 2, 2014 6:18 AM CST It's official, the "War on Drugs" is lost
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 16,544 Posts
OutsideofBali: I took a look at the article or better pictures.. Wouldn't it be great they would invest that money into a holistic education and the thriving of little communities? Prevention instead of rehabilitation.


Yes, most definately, but there's no profit in that for those that make the decisions, so little if any money goes that way. You'd think any community would want to invest in their future, by any means. Education, and steering their children away from what has become a serious issue in many communities around the world, including mine, has to be a priority.

I've seen all too many lives wasted, and too many dead, all due to drugs, although there have been a few that made it out of "the life" as well. Some have done exceptionally well for themselves, and those in their lives.

Prevention is the best way forward, perhaps the only sure way, but I'm not opposed to stamping out the current element by any means possible. The thing is, nobody is even remotely committed to it, in any way, shape, or form.mumbling
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Mar 2, 2014 4:26 PM CST It's official, the "War on Drugs" is lost
memory_alpha
memory_alphamemory_alphaIndiana, Pennsylvania USA72 Posts
It just empowered the very people we were trying to stop. And filled jails with non-violent offenders. I see a near perfect analogy in prohibition, at least with regard to marijuana.
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Mar 2, 2014 9:43 PM CST It's official, the "War on Drugs" is lost
Here's a brief history on the war on drugs. It's pretty interesting reading.

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Mar 3, 2014 8:52 AM CST It's official, the "War on Drugs" is lost
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
ooby_dooby: In fact it was never winnable.

it was lost when nixon put it in place/just for jobs n jail money,he put elvis as hon.dir.of DEA,lol.
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Mar 3, 2014 9:07 AM CST It's official, the "War on Drugs" is lost
Scott1812
Scott1812Scott1812Claresholm, Alberta Canada26 Threads 11 Polls 1,595 Posts
ooby_dooby: In fact it was never winnable.

If people want it bad enough they`ll find a way to get it so no it can`t be won!handshake professor tip hat
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Mar 3, 2014 10:00 AM CST It's official, the "War on Drugs" is lost
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
kidatheart: I appreciate what you're saying, but in some instances, it just doesn't work. I somehow doubt the Universe expected heroin, meth, cocaine, etc., and the violence associated with it to be on the planet.

Violence begets violence, and for some, violence is the only language they understand, and so be it.

I don't see a problem with ridding the entire planet of the people involved in this trade, by any means possible, without prejudice.



Hello Harry!wave
I must disagree with you on the suggestion of the death sentence to all involved, for I myself am one who came out of this trade 26 years ago. The world would have missed out on all I have to share through what I have learned since my life change. Others have their stories and insight to share too.

We must persevere with Hope that these lives can be changed and be productive to love and help the world around them. It's a Spiritual problem for the individuals envolved.

HLheart wings
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Mar 3, 2014 10:33 AM CST It's official, the "War on Drugs" is lost
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
HealthyLiving: I believe the roleplay of the wars was what brought on the Availablity of the drugs. In Vietnam, soldiers began to use the opiates and the demand brought them to the states. The movie "Air America" shows exactly what was going on, with some officials exporting opiates and making big dollars in their pockets. The same is happening today in Afghanistan.

The "War on Drugs" is simply a money making scheme where those who are at the top make huge dollars, playing a game of bringing drugs into the country and every now and then, busting a shipment to make it look like they are doing their jobs, to fool the people. It's racketeering by the government associates.

I used to listen to lots of radio talk shows in Dallas, Tx. I remember them talking about a book, "China White" and how in 1960, Representatives from 8 Communist Countries held a meeting where they discussed how to weaken the United States from it's "superpower" status. It was decided to infiltrate the country with drugs that would desensitize the people so they would not really care about what was going on.

In doing so, they have succeeded to infiltrate our government officials as well, now having their representatives in place as Judges, cabinet members, Senators, Congressmen, and wherever needed to accomplish their nasty agenda.

HL
yup,we have controled poppies too long taliban,etc.want their junk back,n us long gone,UK found that out n russia too.
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Mar 5, 2014 11:17 AM CST It's official, the "War on Drugs" is lost
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
Is there any w ar on dr ugs?
Yes and not.
Yes because that is what gov want people to believe.
No, because dr ugs keep entering to every country.

Where those dr ugs are produced? In many countries including U SA. (Check the news.

Who is the largest consumer?
hmmm

If you were a pol ice in lower rank and you do discover a shipment of the dr ugs.
What are you going to do?
If you stop them, you will be er ased right the way.
If you let them go you will be pu nished.
How can dr ugs circulate in such a “freely” way?
???
Perhaps, there is big cor ruption to the highest levels of gov.
Would that include the U SA gov?

Very frequently people blame only Mex ico as the cause for the d rugs’ production and marketing. Yet, Me xico is a big door for the huge market.

There are also several other elements that have to be taken into consideration:
What is the origin of the dr ugs moving from one country to another?
What was the use of money –from the drugs- for in first place years ago?
Do people remember which one was the first car tel and in which country did originate?
Does guer rilla ring the bell?

Has anyone thought that there could be a w ar but could it be against cap italismo and the ar ms are certainly dr ugs.

Which btw Me xico is a cap italist country.


coffee
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Mar 6, 2014 7:55 AM CST It's official, the "War on Drugs" is lost
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
The drug leader you are referring to who happens to be Mexican made it to the Forbes list for 4 years. By 2011, his fortune was of 1,000 million USA dollars. This person is responsible of the 25 % of dr ugs market that goes to USA.
(still 75 % is supplied by other sources).
uh oh
It is estimated that in 2008, d rug cartels from Me xico and Col ombia did laundry 18,000 and 39,000 millions US A dollar from “shipments” to US A.


coffee
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