Proof of gods existence or non existence? (111)
most of the bible is wrong. either historical, scientific or morally.
I would count this as evidence. the word of god is not true.
by the way, is it relevant if a god exists because he doesn't manifest or influence.
Either all is planned and worrying about a celestial being is irrelevant. (unless for greed and self-preservation)
Like i recently projected about hell.
A kid with a magnifying glass burning us ants is not ethical. The ants can build alters, nothing changes, the ants can live in chastity it would not burn them any less.
But at least you can count the burned ant-meat as evidence ;-)
Some religious people here are talking about a being of which you can't see or expect any change, but you have to do quite a lot for him to make him happy, so other people and a book tell you. And spread to other people that they need to do a lot.
The Buddhists deserve more respect. the gods are there, but no sense in praying to them. just sit, try to think of nothing, want nothing and then you'll be free. :-D
I would count this as evidence. the word of god is not true.
by the way, is it relevant if a god exists because he doesn't manifest or influence.
Either all is planned and worrying about a celestial being is irrelevant. (unless for greed and self-preservation)
Like i recently projected about hell.
A kid with a magnifying glass burning us ants is not ethical. The ants can build alters, nothing changes, the ants can live in chastity it would not burn them any less.
But at least you can count the burned ant-meat as evidence ;-)
Some religious people here are talking about a being of which you can't see or expect any change, but you have to do quite a lot for him to make him happy, so other people and a book tell you. And spread to other people that they need to do a lot.
The Buddhists deserve more respect. the gods are there, but no sense in praying to them. just sit, try to think of nothing, want nothing and then you'll be free. :-D
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Len05: most of the bible is wrong. either historical, scientific or morally.
I would count this as evidence. the word of god is not true.
by the way, is it relevant if a god exists because he doesn't manifest or influence.
Either all is planned and worrying about a celestial being is irrelevant. (unless for greed and self-preservation)
Like i recently projected about hell.
A kid with a magnifying glass burning us ants is not ethical. The ants can build alters, nothing changes, the ants can live in chastity it would not burn them any less.
But at least you can count the burned ant-meat as evidence ;-)
Some religious people here are talking about a being of which you can't see or expect any change, but you have to do quite a lot for him to make him happy, so other people and a book tell you. And spread to other people that they need to do a lot.
The Buddhists deserve more respect. the gods are there, but no sense in praying to them. just sit, try to think of nothing, want nothing and then you'll be free. :-D
if most of the bible is wrong than some of it must be true? So how would you know which parts of the bible are true and which are not, if the scripture was written in parables?I would count this as evidence. the word of god is not true.
by the way, is it relevant if a god exists because he doesn't manifest or influence.
Either all is planned and worrying about a celestial being is irrelevant. (unless for greed and self-preservation)
Like i recently projected about hell.
A kid with a magnifying glass burning us ants is not ethical. The ants can build alters, nothing changes, the ants can live in chastity it would not burn them any less.
But at least you can count the burned ant-meat as evidence ;-)
Some religious people here are talking about a being of which you can't see or expect any change, but you have to do quite a lot for him to make him happy, so other people and a book tell you. And spread to other people that they need to do a lot.
The Buddhists deserve more respect. the gods are there, but no sense in praying to them. just sit, try to think of nothing, want nothing and then you'll be free. :-D
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ooby_dooby: What would you, as a believer in the existence of god, accept as conclusive proof that god really exists? Or.
What would you, as a non believer in the existence of god, accept as conclusive proof that god really doesn't exist?
By proof I mean conclusive, unimpeachable, undeniable, absolute, unquestionable proof?
I've heard it said all my life that there is no way to prove or disprove that god exists and nobody has ever come back from the dead to say oh I saw god and we had a nice chat and he sends his greetings to all the people on earth.
So, what kind of proof would convince you one way or the other?
What would you, as a non believer in the existence of god, accept as conclusive proof that god really doesn't exist?
By proof I mean conclusive, unimpeachable, undeniable, absolute, unquestionable proof?
I've heard it said all my life that there is no way to prove or disprove that god exists and nobody has ever come back from the dead to say oh I saw god and we had a nice chat and he sends his greetings to all the people on earth.
So, what kind of proof would convince you one way or the other?
Is absence of evidence for one proof for other?
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AgentAjax: Is absence of evidence for one proof for other?
Interesting question. I think no. if someone is suspected of commiting murder but there is no evidence that he did it, does it mean he didn't do it? No! He still could have done it but there isn't any evidence to prove it.------ This thread is Archived ------
ooby_dooby: Interesting question. I think no. if someone is suspected of commiting murder but there is no evidence that he did it, does it mean he didn't do it? No! He still could have done it but there isn't any evidence to prove it.
I think you made a valid point.
but your scenario deals with a person who can be identified and brought before a court to answer charges. You could not possibly do that with a god which is absent and who supposedly has ever spoken to few selected men in their dreams?------ This thread is Archived ------
AgentAjax: Is absence of evidence for one proof for other?
if the source material is a lie,
Why debate if the main invisible character is based on truth.
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Len05: if the source material is a lie,
Why debate if the main invisible character is based on truth.
perhaps you might have that the wrong way around. I would say not all scripture in the bible is false but there is no god because those are words of men.Why debate if the main invisible character is based on truth.
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the proof is in time, 2014 ''time is God!! saved by the bell
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JeanKimberley: Did we get the right answer yet? well, does she or does she not exist?
we just learned that all the non-believing people are crowding up in the earths core.
He just explained why vulcano's exist? or is the earth expanding?
The more religious people comment on this thread the harder it gets to stay reasonable ...
So god exists for some people because it affects some peoples actions and thoughts.
To compare it with a paranoid person hiding behind a corner because he feels followed. The reason he hides is 'real' and the effects are visible.
If he wouldn't actively hide it would be harder to notice there is something 'real' for that person.
If he wouldn't be paranoid or feel followed, we end up discussing in the great nothing again.
i did not say believing is a mental condition.
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