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Apr 25, 2015 7:41 PM CST Please don't hate Muslims if you do
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
crayons: No You don't get it, we fight our own gubmint to stop this nonsense, it's an old 16nth century rothschild ploy
fund all sides and play them against the middle, Well I did not start this thread. Now I ask you, Who do you think is going to clean up this mess that we the people did Not create? Answer::: The US Army, our young men, our treasure our blood n' our money and our sweat and toil. Saudi Arabia already gets enough US money and weapons yet they propagate and FUND the most atrocities/mutilation on woman and Christians through out North Africa and the Middle East than anyone in the world, So I say eat more bacon

Now let the man answer if he has the you know whats to do so.




Yes crayons we the people did create the mess by voting into office and allowing the Government to do what they do.


The media is no help either.
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Apr 25, 2015 7:50 PM CST Please don't hate Muslims if you do
stringman
stringmanstringmanwallaceburg, Ontario Canada649 Threads 1 Polls 7,049 Posts
Ccincy: Yes crayons we the people did create the mess by voting into office and allowing the Government to do what they do.The media is no help either.


the media is controlled by the gov. they will only tell you what they want you to know. the people have lost there will to fight gov.IMO.
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Apr 25, 2015 7:57 PM CST Please don't hate Muslims if you do
crayons
crayonscrayonsSt. Jo, Texas USA65 Threads 1,951 Posts
mollybaby: So stop funding and supporting one of the richest and most intolerant country in the world so


We who fight against the chickenhawks/warmongers are now considered
enemies of the state, Veterans, Christians, and 70 others are on the top of the list of so called homeland security or DHS, only 30 out of 535 congressional representatives listen to us, the rest listen to the Global banks and fight wars to Float all western currencies,
that means your currency also,,,

Flags follow the Banks, all Military's follow the Flag's
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Apr 25, 2015 8:00 PM CST Please don't hate Muslims if you do
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
lifeisadream: Do not be that naive!

Read some reports even from the biased UN!!!
Ammonium nitrate is a very good product for growing grass where none have been before , diesel added at 5% by weight makes a very good explosive . Cloths powder mixed with diesel (bit more than just mixing) makes another . Lynx deodorant makes a good propellant , some of the things you use and more than likely have are made from dual usage products , are you hiding weapons of mass destruction Life .
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Apr 25, 2015 8:01 PM CST Please don't hate Muslims if you do
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
epirb: A lot of chemicals have multi use . Iraq used to have a developed agriculture system . God and the CIA knows what they have now . Modern agriculture relies on chemicals .


"It has been previously reported that the United States provided tactical intelligence to Iraq at the same time that officials suspected Hussein would use chemical weapons....

Top CIA officials, including the Director of Central Intelligence William J. Casey, a close friend of President Ronald Reagan, were told about the location of Iraqi chemical weapons assembly plants; that Iraq was desperately trying to make enough mustard agent to keep up with frontline demand from its forces; that Iraq was about to buy equipment from Italy to help speed up production of chemical-packed artillery rounds and bombs; and that Iraq could also use nerve agents on Iranian troops and possibly civilians.

Officials were also warned that Iran might launch retaliatory attacks against U.S. interests in the Middle East, including terrorist strikes, if it believed the United States was complicit in Iraq’s chemical warfare campaign.

"As Iraqi attacks continue and intensify the chances increase that Iranian forces will acquire a shell containing mustard agent with Iraqi markings," the CIA reported in a top secret document in November 1983. "Tehran would take such evidence to the U.N. and charge U.S. complicity in violating international law."

At the time, the military attaché’s office was following Iraqi preparations for the offensive using satellite reconnaissance imagery, Francona told Foreign Policy. According to a former CIA official, the images showed Iraqi movements of chemical materials to artillery batteries opposite Iranian positions prior to each offensive.

Francona, an experienced Middle East hand and Arabic linguist who served in the National Security Agency and the Defense Intelligence Agency, said he first became aware of Iraq’s use of chemical weapons against Iran in 1984, while serving as air attaché in Amman, Jordan. The information he saw clearly showed that the Iraqis had used Tabun nerve agent (also known as "GA") against Iranian forces in southern Iraq.

The declassified CIA documents show that Casey and other top officials were repeatedly informed about Iraq’s chemical attacks and its plans for launching more. "If the Iraqis produce or acquire large new supplies of mustard agent, they almost certainly would use it against Iranian troops and towns near the border," the CIA said in a top secret document.

But it was the express policy of Reagan to ensure an Iraqi victory in the war, whatever the cost.

The CIA noted in one document that the use of nerve agent "could have a significant impact on Iran’s human wave tactics, forcing Iran to give up that strategy." Those tactics, which involved Iranian forces swarming against conventionally armed Iraqi positions, had proved decisive in some battles. In March 1984, the CIA reported that Iraq had "begun using nerve agents on the Al Basrah front and likely will be able to employ it in militarily significant quantities by late this fall."

The use of chemical weapons in war is banned under the Geneva Protocol of 1925, which states that parties "will exert every effort to induce other States to accede to the" agreement. Iraq never ratified the protocol; the United States did in 1975. The Chemical Weapons Convention, which bans the production and use of such arms, wasn’t passed until 1997, years after the incidents in question.
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Apr 25, 2015 8:02 PM CST Please don't hate Muslims if you do
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
epirb: A lot of chemicals have multi use . Iraq used to have a developed agriculture system . God and the CIA knows what they have now . Modern agriculture relies on chemicals .


The initial wave of Iraqi attacks, in 1983, used mustard agent. While generally not fatal, mustard causes severe blistering of the skin and mucus membranes, which can lead to potentially fatal infections, and can cause blindness and upper respiratory disease, while increasing the risk of cancer. The United States wasn’t yet providing battlefield intelligence to Iraq when mustard was used. But it also did nothing to assist Iran in its attempts to bring proof of illegal Iraqi chemical attacks to light. Nor did the administration inform the United Nations. The CIA determined that Iran had the capability to bomb the weapons assembly facilities, if only it could find them. The CIA believed it knew the locations.

Hard evidence of the Iraqi chemical attacks came to light in 1984. But that did little to deter Hussein from using the lethal agents, including in strikes against his own people. For as much as the CIA knew about Hussein’s use of chemical weapons, officials resisted providing Iraq with intelligence throughout much of the war. The Defense Department had proposed an intelligence-sharing program with the Iraqis in 1986. But according to Francona, it was nixed because the CIA and the State Department viewed Saddam Hussein as "anathema" and his officials as "thugs."

The situation changed in 1987. CIA reconnaissance satellites picked up clear indications that the Iranians were concentrating large numbers of troops and equipment east of the city of Basrah, according to Francona, who was then serving with the Defense Intelligence Agency. What concerned DIA analysts the most was that the satellite imagery showed that the Iranians had discovered a gaping hole in the Iraqi lines southeast of Basrah. The seam had opened up at the junction between the Iraqi III Corps, deployed east of the city, and the Iraqi VII Corps, which was deployed to the southeast of the city in and around the hotly contested Fao Peninsula.

The satellites detected Iranian engineering and bridging units being secretly moved to deployment areas opposite the gap in the Iraqi lines, indicating that this was going to be where the main force of the annual Iranian spring offensive was going to fall, Francona said.

In late 1987, the DIA analysts in Francona’s shop in Washington wrote a Top Secret Codeword report partially entitled "At The Gates of Basrah," warning that the Iranian 1988 spring offensive was going to be bigger than all previous spring offensives, and this offensive stood a very good chance of breaking through the Iraqi lines and capturing Basrah. The report warned that if Basrah fell, the Iraqi military would collapse and Iran would win the war.

President Reagan read the report and, according to Francona, wrote a note in the margin addressed to Secretary of Defense Frank C. Carlucci: "An Iranian victory is unacceptable."
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Apr 25, 2015 8:03 PM CST Please don't hate Muslims if you do
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
stringman: the media is controlled by the gov. they will only tell you what they want you to know. the people have lost there will to fight gov.IMO.





stringman I am fully aware of that fact regarding the media being owned by the Government.

I doubt if everyone has lost their will to fight Government.
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Apr 25, 2015 8:05 PM CST Please don't hate Muslims if you do
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
epirb: A lot of chemicals have multi use . Iraq used to have a developed agriculture system . God and the CIA knows what they have now . Modern agriculture relies on chemicals .
Subsequently, a decision was made at the top level of the U.S. government (almost certainly requiring the approval of the National Security Council and the CIA). The DIA was authorized to give the Iraqi intelligence services as much detailed information as was available about the deployments and movements of all Iranian combat units. That included satellite imagery and perhaps some sanitized electronic intelligence. There was a particular focus on the area east of the city of Basrah where the DIA was convinced the next big Iranian offensive would come. The agency also provided data on the locations of key Iranian logistics facilities, and the strength and capabilities of the Iranian air force and air defense system. Francona described much of the information as "targeting packages" suitable for use by the Iraqi air force to destroy these targets.

The sarin attacks then followed.

The nerve agent causes dizziness, respiratory distress, and muscle convulsions, and can lead to death. CIA analysts could not precisely determine the Iranian casualty figures because they lacked access to Iranian officials and documents. But the agency gauged the number of dead as somewhere between "hundreds" and "thousands" in each of the four cases where chemical weapons were used prior to a military offensive. According to the CIA, two-thirds of all chemical weapons ever used by Iraq during its war with Iran were fired or dropped in the last 18 months of the war.

By 1988, U.S. intelligence was flowing freely to Hussein’s military. That March, Iraq launched a nerve gas attack on the Kurdish village of Halabja in northern Iraq.

A month later, the Iraqis used aerial bombs and artillery shells filled with sarin against Iranian troop concentrations on the Fao Peninsula southeast of Basrah, helping the Iraqi forces win a major victory and recapture the entire peninsula. The success of the Fao Peninsula offensive also prevented the Iranians from launching their much-anticipated offensive to capture Basrah. According to Francona, Washington was very pleased with the result because the Iranians never got a chance to launch their offensive.
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Apr 25, 2015 8:06 PM CST Please don't hate Muslims if you do
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
lifeisadream: "It has been previously reported that the United States provided tactical intelligence to Iraq at the same time that officials suspected Hussein would use chemical weapons....

Top CIA officials, including the Director of Central Intelligence William J. Casey, a close friend of President Ronald Reagan, were told about the location of Iraqi chemical weapons assembly plants; that Iraq was desperately trying to make enough mustard agent to keep up with frontline demand from its forces; that Iraq was about to buy equipment from Italy to help speed up production of chemical-packed artillery rounds and bombs; and that Iraq could also use nerve agents on Iranian troops and possibly civilians.

Officials were also warned that Iran might launch retaliatory attacks against U.S. interests in the Middle East, including terrorist strikes, if it believed the United States was complicit in Iraq’s chemical warfare campaign.

"As Iraqi attacks continue and intensify the chances increase that Iranian forces will acquire a shell containing mustard agent with Iraqi markings," the CIA reported in a top secret document in November 1983. "Tehran would take such evidence to the U.N. and charge U.S. complicity in violating international law."

At the time, the military attaché’s office was following Iraqi preparations for the offensive using satellite reconnaissance imagery, Francona told Foreign Policy. According to a former CIA official, the images showed Iraqi movements of chemical materials to artillery batteries opposite Iranian positions prior to each offensive.

Francona, an experienced Middle East hand and Arabic linguist who served in the National Security Agency and the Defense Intelligence Agency, said he first became aware of Iraq’s use of chemical weapons against Iran in 1984, while serving as air attaché in Amman, Jordan. The information he saw clearly showed that the Iraqis had used Tabun nerve agent (also known as "GA") against Iranian forces in southern Iraq.

The declassified CIA documents show that Casey and other top officials were repeatedly informed about Iraq’s chemical attacks and its plans for launching more. "If the Iraqis produce or acquire large new supplies of mustard agent, they almost certainly would use it against Iranian troops and towns near the border," the CIA said in a top secret document.

But it was the express policy of Reagan to ensure an Iraqi victory in the war, whatever the cost.

The CIA noted in one document that the use of nerve agent "could have a significant impact on Iran’s human wave tactics, forcing Iran to give up that strategy." Those tactics, which involved Iranian forces swarming against conventionally armed Iraqi positions, had proved decisive in some battles. In March 1984, the CIA reported that Iraq had "begun using nerve agents on the Al Basrah front and likely will be able to employ it in militarily significant quantities by late this fall."

The use of chemical weapons in war is banned under the Geneva Protocol of 1925, which states that parties "will exert every effort to induce other States to accede to the" agreement. Iraq never ratified the protocol; the United States did in 1975. The Chemical Weapons Convention, which bans the production and use of such arms, wasn’t passed until 1997, years after the incidents in question.
Long time ago , US has a different government now ,snooty snooty we all back the other side now , sort of making amends .
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Apr 25, 2015 8:12 PM CST Please don't hate Muslims if you do
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
This is one link for you to get some info in case you are interested to broaden your horizons, if you can.


epirb: Ammonium nitrate is a very good product for growing grass where none have been before , diesel added at 5% by weight makes a very good explosive . Cloths powder mixed with diesel (bit more than just mixing) makes another . Lynx deodorant makes a good propellant , some of the things you use and more than likely have are made from dual usage products , are you hiding weapons of mass destruction Life .


I went to school Epirb and I do have some pretty good chemical knowledge yet I am for peace.


cool
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Apr 25, 2015 8:15 PM CST Please don't hate Muslims if you do
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
epirb: Long time ago , US has a different government now , we all back the other side now , sort of making amends .


I do get it from Americanos to back up their government but from you, from another country, you are just so pathetic!

laugh
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Apr 25, 2015 8:18 PM CST Please don't hate Muslims if you do
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
lifeisadream: I do get it from Americanos to back up their government but from you, from another country, you are just so pathetic!
grin
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Apr 25, 2015 8:21 PM CST Please don't hate Muslims if you do
crayons
crayonscrayonsSt. Jo, Texas USA65 Threads 1,951 Posts
Ccincy: stringman I am fully aware of that fact regarding the media being owned by the Government.

I doubt if everyone has lost their will to fight Government.

Amen
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Apr 25, 2015 8:45 PM CST Please don't hate Muslims if you do
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
nadeem73: This is my general appeal to everyone at this site or elsewhere.


I can only speak for me and I know I don't hate Muslims. If they're unliked, maybe they could be more popular here if they integrated and Also became Americanized in stuff like sports.

I could be wrong but I only recall one Muslim who has played Major League Baseball and that was back in the 1980's; Sam Khalifa, a shortstop who played 164 games for the Pittsburg Pirates before he retired. Basketball doesn't do much better in numbers ... Nigerian Hakeem Olajuwon and American Shareef Abdur-Raheem in the NBA. Ahmad Rashad played in the NFL. The NHL?

However, there is America's own ultra-famous beloved, fast, pretty and bad heavyweight champion boxer, Muslim, Muhammad Ali.

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Apr 25, 2015 11:34 PM CST Please don't hate Muslims if you do
SistaCallie
SistaCallieSistaCalliePokemon, Texas USA139 Threads 1 Polls 795 Posts
nadeem73: Please don't hate Muslims if you do...This is my general appeal to everyone at this site or elsewhere.


Nadeem, I understand your plea very clearly, and I respect what you'reasking... but I must ask, if you are making this same plea to those terrorist groups who HAPPEN TO BE MUSLIMS? Why are they hating and killing those who are not of the Muslim faith? Killing Christians and other Muslims without a cause in the name of the Muslim religion just because people do not believe in the Muslim religion?

I think if you offered this same plea to those who are claiming to be Muslims and are killing innocent people, maybe you will get a better response.

Nevertheless, I offer the same general appeal (plea) to the Muslim terrorists as you have offered on this site.. ...Please don't hate and kill innocent Christians and others who DO NOT believe in your religion, as you are doing and proven to have such hatred in your hearts... this is my general appeal (plea) to all the Muslim terrorists in Muslims countries and everywhere.

BTW, Nadeem, I think your English and writing skills are just FINE... you have expressed yourself rather clearly.. problem is, those who think differently, don't have very good READING skills thus, they lack comprehension in understanding as to what is written.teddybear

May God bless you in all things bouquet
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Apr 25, 2015 11:58 PM CST Please don't hate Muslims if you do
Nidifugous
NidifugousNidifugousYap, Federated States of Micronesia38 Threads 3 Polls 1,430 Posts
nadeem73: This is my general appeal to everyone at this site or elsewhere.


I don't hate muslims, I don't hate Jews and I don't hate Christians and I don't hate Atheists. I take people at face value. (Sometimes I joke around and maybe my humor is a little bit off at times, but in all seriousness, if I were to hate someone, it'd probably be the haters that I hate because they make everybody's life difficult).

Now let me make a request to you. Please don't hate the infidels. At the end of the day, we are all humans, regardless what we believe, we should be able to live peacefully, if not together then side-by-side. wave
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Apr 26, 2015 12:02 AM CST Please don't hate Muslims if you do
mnowsa
mnowsamnowsaRajshahi, Rajshahi Division Bangladesh145 Threads 3 Polls 7,536 Posts
Nidifugous: I don't hate muslims, I don't hate Jews and I don't hate Christians and I don't hate Atheists. I take people at face value. (Sometimes I joke around and maybe my humor is a little bit off at times, but in all seriousness, if I were to hate someone, it'd probably be the haters that I hate because they make everybody's life difficult).

Now let me make a request to you. Please don't hate the infidels. At the end of the day, we are all humans, regardless what we believe, we should be able to live peacefully, if not together then side-by-side.


Oh..you don't have to worry about living side-by-side, Nidi. You could always live with me together as one of my 4 wivesblushing rolling on the floor laughing
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Apr 26, 2015 12:07 AM CST Please don't hate Muslims if you do
Nidifugous
NidifugousNidifugousYap, Federated States of Micronesia38 Threads 3 Polls 1,430 Posts
crayons: No You don't get it, we fight our own gubmint to stop this nonsense, it's an old 16nth century rothschild ploy
fund all sides and play them against the middle, Well I did not start this thread. Now I ask you, Who do you think is going to clean up this mess that we the people did Not create? Answer::: The US Army, our young men, our treasure our blood n' our money and our sweat and toil. Saudi Arabia already gets enough US money and weapons yet they propagate and FUND the most atrocities/mutilation on woman and Christians through out North Africa and the Middle East than anyone in the world, So I say eat more bacon

Now let the man answer if he has the you know whats to do so.


My dear man, you really need to brush up on your facts. We made a deal with the Arabs and we "effed" them several times by not keeping our end of the bargain. I don't know how up to date you are on middle-east politics, but we didn't back Egypt like we were supposed to and we waffled around with Saudi Arabia by not making a clear stance and giving them 100% backing even though they're our allies. Yes, it is true that we sent thousands of young men and women and thousands came back dead and for what... a failed policy that created Isis and is now threatening Saudi (even though they are also Sunni). Our own government created this monster by not sticking to the deals that we made. It's disgraceful to say the least.
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Apr 26, 2015 12:25 AM CST Please don't hate Muslims if you do
Nidifugous
NidifugousNidifugousYap, Federated States of Micronesia38 Threads 3 Polls 1,430 Posts
mnowsa: Oh..you don't have to worry about living side-by-side, Nidi. You could always live with me together as one of my 4 wives


laugh Cupcake, I don't share a man. If I ever take another one, he's going to be mine, mine, mine... not a double-dipping dude wink laugh
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Apr 26, 2015 12:36 AM CST Please don't hate Muslims if you do
mnowsa
mnowsamnowsaRajshahi, Rajshahi Division Bangladesh145 Threads 3 Polls 7,536 Posts
Nidifugous: Cupcake, I don't share a man. If I ever take another one, he's going to be mine, mine, mine... not a double-dipping dude


Nidi, i understand your "stubbornness", but can i please at least get some credit for trying to "live together"?laugh
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