LoletteLe Mans, Pays de la Loire France1,691 posts
chris27292729: More likely another war. Germans rioting,unthinkable.
For Germany to have achieved it's financial stability had undergone serious reforms much ahead compared to other UE nations. Triumphant as they sounded, their buying power had been reduced too during the years of struggle, character traits that could be attributed to a people who have certain level of social descipline, very palpable when you happen to be in Germany. Yet, there are still so poor. Their economic, austerity measures/strategy could be the result to their ecnomic supremacy at present that nobody could question.
Lolette: For Germany to have achieved it's financial stability had undergone serious reforms much ahead compared to other UE nations. Triumphant as they sounded, their buying power had been reduced too during the years of struggle, character traits that could be attributed to a people who have certain level of social descipline, very palpable when you happen to be in Germany. Yet, there are still so poor. Their economic, austerity measures/strategy could be the result to their ecnomic supremacy at present that nobody could question.
The Germans are and have been the least wrong of all the western peoples, but this isn't saying that much. Germany is also sinking, the rest of us are just sinking faster.
tomcatwarne: The only things they didn't ask from the Greeks are a cure for aids, peace in the middle East and their collective shirts
Didn't somebody say that if Greece left the Eurozone, there would be instability? I am sure the Greeks people will be very "happy" with more austerity, like I said the EU goal to remove the leftist Greek government is about to be reached.
Most western countries still seem to aligning there nations by supporting Regans crap, including offering support for mass murder. The elected liars in this country continue to fantasize America is able to get away with its perception it has a right kill millions to rule world economics, who ignore our constitution and the voice of the people. Personally i think like America, they are morally wrong and heading for bankruptcy and probably loose the looming world conflic
The "European Project" is dying...Greece will not be in the Eurozone in 5 years, Britain will be gone from the European Union. If Ireland has any economic sense, it will follow them. Once Italy, Spain, and Portugal realise that their long-term interest is better served by a break, they will also follow. The EU project/Eurozone will be dead in 20 years...
tomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
The Greek people voted against austerity but that is what the financial masters have told them they must have. The Greek government has been instructed to pass austerity legislation forthwith.
I rather expect our referendum (Britain) about the common market will receive a similar fate and will be skewed to the political decision of the government.
Why bother with these referendum if they are only going to be ignored anyway???
Hopefully yes,and the Germans be the masters of the North Europeans, and allow the South be, their own masters,of course after the Germans have paid war reparations to Greece,which is the main reason,since the Greek government,has announced, persuing the reparation matter with Germany,till reparation from WW2 solved,and finaly pay up what the owo to Greece.-
Yeats1980: The "European Project" is dying...Greece will not be in the Eurozone in 5 years, Britain will be gone from the European Union. If Ireland has any economic sense, it will follow them. Once Italy, Spain, and Portugal realise that their long-term interest is better served by a break, they will also follow. The EU project/Eurozone will be dead in 20 years...
I don't see how they can keep on pumping so much money into Greece without it becoming a determent to there own country's, just as well it does not effect politicians hip pockets or it would be stopped quick smart, one huge full stop,,
arapaho: I don't see how they can keep on pumping so much money into Greece without it becoming a determent to there own country's, just as well it does not effect politicians hip pockets or it would be stopped quick smart, one huge full stop,,
Thats their objective to make countries debtors to them. With their new proposals to Greece (which Greece accepted). So they demand Greece to underwrite and commit Greek public assets, to an institution outside Greece,with the aim,if Greece cannot pay its debt,to confiscate and own and operate those Greek assets inside Greece, as the feel,what is more profitable for them,like selling them to another country. Couldn't win 2 wars, but no doubt,they are about to win this economic one.
tomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
tomcatwarne: Yes Thatcher has a lot to answer for.... and Reagan.
And the sell off continues.
The Tories took office without a mandate, but with no lack of confidence. Their agenda, which had emerged since 2008, was to represent the crisis of global capitalism as a crisis of public sector spending. Having already privatised the Tote and announced the sell-off of Northern Rock, with other nationalised banks to follow, they have indicated that Royal Mail will be sold off, along with probation services, roads, large sectors of education and the NHS. Even sections of the police, traditionally an ally of the right, will be privatised. Outsourcing will be extended into every possible area.
But, as in the 1980s, the aim is not primarily to reduce public-sector borrowing. The Tories know that ongoing economic crisis is not just a fiscal or financial problem. The private sector is utterly stagnant. Globally, there are trillions of pounds being retained by corporations who see no viable avenue for profitable investment. US companies are holding on to $1.7 trillion, eurozone firms sit on 2 trillion euros, and British firms have £750bn doing nothing. Accumulation-by-dispossession is one way to get that money into circulation as capital. And while the Conservatives are not as ideologically confident as in the 1980s, the scale of their proposed privatisations suggests they expect to over-ride any opposition.
In historical context, privatisation seems to answer a number of dilemmas for the Tories. By spreading market incentives, it erodes the public sector basis for Labourist politics. By opening the public sector to profit, it gets a lot of capital into circulation. And by reducing the power of public sector workers, it suppresses wage pressures, thus in theory making investment more appealing. Above all, perhaps, in shifting the democratic to market-based principles of allocation, it favours those who are strongest in their control of the market, and who also happen to represent the social basis of Conservatism.
The 5 musketeers,that saved Greece. 1.- Jean-Claude Junker, president of European Commission. As P.M. of Luxembourg,allowed tax cuts under the table to 340 companies. 2.- Martin Sshulz. Bookstore owner. Sheilded the German company Rheinmetall Defence Electronics from prosecution,for under the table deals,with Greek politicians and high ranking Military offisers. 3.- Mario Draghi.President Eur. Central Bank.ex Pres.Italian Central Bank. Involve in scandals with German and Italian banks. 4.- Geroun Daiselbloom.President Eur.Economic Forum in the EU. Phony diploma in economics from Irish University. Under investigation from Holland parliament,for his involvement in the ABN-AMRO scandal,for giving high ranking bank officials, increasies and sacking lower rank employees. 5.- W. Schauble.. Ex tax officer.economic Minister of Germany. Involved in a "Black money" for donation to his Christian(???) Democratic Party.- Those are the people who saved Greece.- If you have such "honest" people to save you,you aren't in need of thieves.
The IMF has come out and said that the new deal is highly unsustainable, that growth projections for Greece in the deal are unrealistic, and that they will not be party to a new deal unless Eurozone finance ministers and leaders look at the debt sustainability issue. The split between the beliefs of the IMF and the other Troika partners was talked about quite a bit during Ireland's bailout too. Most commentary highlighted that the IMF was the institution that was easier to talk with and was open to suggestions. The EC/ECB were extremely difficult.(I was surprised when Tspiras actually wanted the IMF out) It is clear that the EC/ECB have mishandled Greece since the start. It has become a national political issue in each country. And it is for this reason that the EU is doomed. There remains very little citizen backed legitimacy for these institutions.
And Britain and British taxpayers will not be too happy if the EU fund(EFSM) is used to bail-out a euro-zone country which seems likely. Brexit becomes very likely if that happens. Why should British sterling taxpayers bail out countries who are using a nonsense currency, the Euro?
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