Out Of Control Teenager or is it about A Police Officer Who is Out of Control (45)
Whatever happened to sending a disruptive student to the Principal's office? 
The police should be out catching criminals and shouldn't be using brutal force on students in the classroom imho. 
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Police worldwide are just power mad thugs in uniforms. Over here in the UK the police are nowhere to be seen when true trouble kicks off, but their quick to slam someone for dropping litter or a tiny little thing. I would never help them out.
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That scene was being carried out by all the social links and media,,
i saw it here in my country,, How could be a man/father,, by being a police officer be so harsh and violent towards a schoolgirl?
I'm sure wouldn't be grateful to have a father like him.
i saw it here in my country,, How could be a man/father,, by being a police officer be so harsh and violent towards a schoolgirl?
I'm sure wouldn't be grateful to have a father like him.
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Hope he gets jailed. .
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secretagent09: (CNN)The South Carolina deputy who slammed a disruptive student on the floor and tossed her several feet has been fired.
Other students in the classroom at Spring Valley High School caught the incident on video.
Fields violated police regulations when he threw the girl, the sheriff said.
Fields was the Spring Valley High School resource officer whose actions Monday were recorded by students and ignited a firestorm on social media. Among the criticisms: his admitted use of "muscling techniques" to get the student out of her chair.
"When a classroom is disrupted by a student, that disrupts the education process and the students can't learn and the teachers can't teach," Lott said. "We have to have discipline in our schools."
"We must not lose sight that this whole incident started by this student," he said. "She is responsible for initiating this action. Some responsibility falls on her."
The videos show the officer standing over the student, seated at her desk. He puts his arm near her neck, then yanks her backward. The desk, which is attached to her chair, tips over; the student crashes backward onto the floor.
But Fields didn't let go, lifting her slightly off the ground. She flies out of her desk and slides several feet across the floor.
But Todd Rutherford, the student's attorney, said his client now has to wear a cast on her arm.
The girl also suffered a bruise on her head, her attorney said.
Fields was called in, Kenny said. The school resource officer asked the girl to leave the classroom with him.
Kenny said the officer moved the girl's laptop off her desk.
"He grabbed her arm, and he put his arm around her neck at first. So that's why you actually see her -- if you get the right video -- then you'll see her trying to swing at him," Kenny said.
"And at that point, he just flipped the desk back and grabbed her out of it and threw her. And that's when you see her rolling across the floor."
Kenny said she and other classmates had their cell phones recording because of the officer's reputation.
Her attorney, Simone Martin, said she's been told "by a number of the students that he is referred to as Officer Slam as opposed to Officer Fields. And that's telling."
The sheriff said the FBI is also to be the lead agency in a criminal investigation.
If an officer decides to make an arrest, he or she "can use whatever force is necessary," said Houck, a retired New York police detective.
"So if you don't comply with my wishes," he said, "then I can do whatever it takes to get you out of that seat and put handcuffs on you."
Sheriff criticizes law on disrupting school
Houck said the officer shouldn't have been called in to deal with the student in the first place.
CNN's Dana Ford, Kevin Conlon, Chandler Friedman, Wes Bruer, Greg Botelho, Lisa Thompson and Sonia Moghe contributed to this report.
Average action from a corrupted force who hold peoples rights in contempt .There is no excuse for the violence that the officer used . Any attempt by people to excuse the vile contemptible office make them look just as bad . I am not surprised the child tried to defend herself by raising her arm . Other students in the classroom at Spring Valley High School caught the incident on video.
Fields violated police regulations when he threw the girl, the sheriff said.
Fields was the Spring Valley High School resource officer whose actions Monday were recorded by students and ignited a firestorm on social media. Among the criticisms: his admitted use of "muscling techniques" to get the student out of her chair.
"When a classroom is disrupted by a student, that disrupts the education process and the students can't learn and the teachers can't teach," Lott said. "We have to have discipline in our schools."
"We must not lose sight that this whole incident started by this student," he said. "She is responsible for initiating this action. Some responsibility falls on her."
The videos show the officer standing over the student, seated at her desk. He puts his arm near her neck, then yanks her backward. The desk, which is attached to her chair, tips over; the student crashes backward onto the floor.
But Fields didn't let go, lifting her slightly off the ground. She flies out of her desk and slides several feet across the floor.
But Todd Rutherford, the student's attorney, said his client now has to wear a cast on her arm.
The girl also suffered a bruise on her head, her attorney said.
Fields was called in, Kenny said. The school resource officer asked the girl to leave the classroom with him.
Kenny said the officer moved the girl's laptop off her desk.
"He grabbed her arm, and he put his arm around her neck at first. So that's why you actually see her -- if you get the right video -- then you'll see her trying to swing at him," Kenny said.
"And at that point, he just flipped the desk back and grabbed her out of it and threw her. And that's when you see her rolling across the floor."
Kenny said she and other classmates had their cell phones recording because of the officer's reputation.
Her attorney, Simone Martin, said she's been told "by a number of the students that he is referred to as Officer Slam as opposed to Officer Fields. And that's telling."
The sheriff said the FBI is also to be the lead agency in a criminal investigation.
If an officer decides to make an arrest, he or she "can use whatever force is necessary," said Houck, a retired New York police detective.
"So if you don't comply with my wishes," he said, "then I can do whatever it takes to get you out of that seat and put handcuffs on you."
Sheriff criticizes law on disrupting school
Houck said the officer shouldn't have been called in to deal with the student in the first place.
CNN's Dana Ford, Kevin Conlon, Chandler Friedman, Wes Bruer, Greg Botelho, Lisa Thompson and Sonia Moghe contributed to this report.
Whats more monty I am not surprised you carry a clip that attempts excuses a dirty officer .
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2intrigued: Whatever happened to sending a disruptive student to the Principal's office? The police should be out catching criminals and shouldn't be using brutal force on students in the classroom imho.
Yup, they should insist she leave.
Refuse to continue until she does leave.
Shame her for interupting everyone else's education.
Empty the classroom, to remove her audience.
Call her parents to come get her.
Explain to her if her disruption continues into the next period she will be expelled.
Eventually, she will leave.
How long that takes determines wether she is allowed back in the class room,
or expelled and sent to the local "alternative" school.
Permanent seperation from their peers is a pretty big stick
to most teenagers.
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epirb: Average action from a corrupted force who hold peoples rights in contempt .There is no excuse for the violence that the officer used . Any attempt by people to excuse the vile contemptible office make them look just as bad . I am not surprised the child tried to defend herself by raising her arm .
Whats more monty I am not surprised you carry a clip that attempts excuses a dirty officer .
Whats more monty I am not surprised you carry a clip that attempts excuses a dirty officer .
Geez Epi, I tried to say that I don't agree with how he handled this. He is a hot head and should not be wearing the badge. I tried to see in the video if he is wearing a gun. If he isn't I think putting him in the school is a way to keep him out of trouble since he does have a checkered past. Somehow he passed the psychology test he took before he was hired.
I don't know what you mean that "I carry a clip". I'm not a cop.
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Hmmm...High School is up to what age?
18?
So, this student is a minor?
I'm wondering how professionals can practise without appropriate training, or knowledge with regards to managing behavioural issues.
18?
So, this student is a minor?
I'm wondering how professionals can practise without appropriate training, or knowledge with regards to managing behavioural issues.
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Yup, they should insist she leave.
Refuse to continue until she does leave.
Shame her for interupting everyone else's education.
Empty the classroom, to remove her audience.
Call her parents to come get her.
Explain to her if her disruption continues into the next period she will be expelled.
Eventually, she will leave.
How long that takes determines wether she is allowed back in the class room,
or expelled and sent to the local "alternative" school.Permanent seperation from their peers is a pretty big stick
to most teenagers.[/quote
I was once a teenager, and i know i'm far from being a model,
but i could just ask,, are they that bad to be treated such way,, i'm sure there are lots of street incidents worse than that, yet taken with much dignity,, this schoolgirl was dragged to a certain point that even to animals few would dare to do the same act of cruelty, well to be human says not a lot nowadays.
Refuse to continue until she does leave.
Shame her for interupting everyone else's education.
Empty the classroom, to remove her audience.
Call her parents to come get her.
Explain to her if her disruption continues into the next period she will be expelled.
Eventually, she will leave.
How long that takes determines wether she is allowed back in the class room,
or expelled and sent to the local "alternative" school.Permanent seperation from their peers is a pretty big stick
to most teenagers.[/quote
I was once a teenager, and i know i'm far from being a model,
but i could just ask,, are they that bad to be treated such way,, i'm sure there are lots of street incidents worse than that, yet taken with much dignity,, this schoolgirl was dragged to a certain point that even to animals few would dare to do the same act of cruelty, well to be human says not a lot nowadays.
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jac_the_gripper: Hmmm...High School is up to what age?
18?
So, this student is a minor?
I'm wondering how professionals can practise without appropriate training, or knowledge with regards to managing behavioural issues.
18?
So, this student is a minor?
I'm wondering how professionals can practise without appropriate training, or knowledge with regards to managing behavioural issues.
She is 16 years old.
This not about his training because he obviously didn't follow what he learned.
This is about a police officer who has a history of being too forceful on adults as well as teenagers.
This is also about a teenager whose parents probably did not teach her respect.
More importantly, this would not have happened if she did what he told her to do.
People in the United States need to learn to do what the officer tells you to do no matter how much you disagree with it. It's that simple to save your life.
You can always take the officer to court at a later time if he mistreats you.
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secretagent09: She is 16 years old.
This not about his training because he obviously didn't follow what he learned.
This is about a police officer who has a history of being too forceful on adults as well as teenagers.
This is also about a teenager whose parents probably did not teach her respect.
More importantly, this would not have happened if she did what he told her to do.
People in the United States need to learn to do what the officer tells you to do no matter how much you disagree with it. It's that simple to save your life.
You can always take the officer to court at a later time if he mistreats you.
Tell that to the many murdered away from the view of the camera's both black and white . Challenging the police is well beyond the means of most and with the police investigating themselves the result is usually well assured .This not about his training because he obviously didn't follow what he learned.
This is about a police officer who has a history of being too forceful on adults as well as teenagers.
This is also about a teenager whose parents probably did not teach her respect.
More importantly, this would not have happened if she did what he told her to do.
People in the United States need to learn to do what the officer tells you to do no matter how much you disagree with it. It's that simple to save your life.
You can always take the officer to court at a later time if he mistreats you.
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Ocee102: Yup, they should insist she leave.
Refuse to continue until she does leave.
Shame her for interupting everyone else's education.
Empty the classroom, to remove her audience.
Call her parents to come get her.
Explain to her if her disruption continues into the next period she will be expelled.
Eventually, she will leave.
How long that takes determines wether she is allowed back in the class room,
or expelled and sent to the local "alternative" school.Permanent seperation from their peers is a pretty big stick
to most teenagers.
Refuse to continue until she does leave.
Shame her for interupting everyone else's education.
Empty the classroom, to remove her audience.
Call her parents to come get her.
Explain to her if her disruption continues into the next period she will be expelled.
Eventually, she will leave.
How long that takes determines wether she is allowed back in the class room,
or expelled and sent to the local "alternative" school.Permanent seperation from their peers is a pretty big stick
to most teenagers.
I agree, appropriate disciplinary steps and consequences very often does the trick. Brutality in this case is unacceptable and doesn't belong in schools.
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secretagent09: She is 16 years old.
This not about his training because he obviously didn't follow what he learned.
This is about a police officer who has a history of being too forceful on adults as well as teenagers.
This is also about a teenager whose parents probably did not teach her respect.
More importantly, this would not have happened if she did what he told her to do.
People in the United States need to learn to do what the officer tells you to do no matter how much you disagree with it. It's that simple to save your life.
You can always take the officer to court at a later time if he mistreats you.
This not about his training because he obviously didn't follow what he learned.
This is about a police officer who has a history of being too forceful on adults as well as teenagers.
This is also about a teenager whose parents probably did not teach her respect.
More importantly, this would not have happened if she did what he told her to do.
People in the United States need to learn to do what the officer tells you to do no matter how much you disagree with it. It's that simple to save your life.
You can always take the officer to court at a later time if he mistreats you.
I think you've neglected to take into account that the police officer wasn't the only professional in the room. The teacher invited the police officer in and watched the apparent assault without intervening.
Also, for this situation ever to have arisen, there must be both school and policing policies and complicity. Professionals higher up both chains must have created, agreed and instituted protocols for the police to be involved.
As for the situation not happening if she had done as she was told, you're blaming a child victim for apparent violence against her. She didn't make the police officer assault her, it was his professional decision. He is the grown-up.
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That is just disgusting and sad,another episode of a shocking display exercised by a human.
Obviously he should be the School resource Officer, in Alaskan schools to grapple the bears on campus.
Through the news report comes the words "Black,White again!
If distraction, which it can be, is through cell phones, get the students to put them in a locked up cabinet in the class.
Mind you the horse has already bolted.
Obviously he should be the School resource Officer, in Alaskan schools to grapple the bears on campus.
Through the news report comes the words "Black,White again!
If distraction, which it can be, is through cell phones, get the students to put them in a locked up cabinet in the class.
Mind you the horse has already bolted.
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jac_the_gripper: I think you've neglected to take into account that the police officer wasn't the only professional in the room. The teacher invited the police officer in and watched the apparent assault without intervening.
I don't know what your point is about the teacher not intervening. What do you think the teacher should have done? If he could have handled the student he wouldn't have asked the officer to come to the room. And, if the teacher tried to stop the officer from throwing this girl across the room the teacher might have been hit by the officer.
Also, for this situation ever to have arisen, there must be both school and policing policies and complicity. Professionals higher up both chains must have created, agreed and instituted protocols for the police to be involved.
I thinks it's obvious that a lot of people were involved with making the decision to have an officer in the school. This school has been a trouble spot for violence.
As for the situation not happening if she had done as she was told, you're blaming a child victim for apparent violence against her. She didn't make the police officer assault her, it was his professional decision. He is the grown-up.
I don't know what your point is about the teacher not intervening. What do you think the teacher should have done? If he could have handled the student he wouldn't have asked the officer to come to the room. And, if the teacher tried to stop the officer from throwing this girl across the room the teacher might have been hit by the officer.
Also, for this situation ever to have arisen, there must be both school and policing policies and complicity. Professionals higher up both chains must have created, agreed and instituted protocols for the police to be involved.
I thinks it's obvious that a lot of people were involved with making the decision to have an officer in the school. This school has been a trouble spot for violence.
As for the situation not happening if she had done as she was told, you're blaming a child victim for apparent violence against her. She didn't make the police officer assault her, it was his professional decision. He is the grown-up.
You are in Wales. Your laws are different then they are here. It is the law here to do what the officer tells you to do. When they say get out of the car you should get out of the car. If you delay the officer is then on suspicious mode that there might be a threat against him.
Yes, he was violent and he shouldn't have handled the situation the way he did. She wasn't a threat. She was just a bad teenager that wanted to have her own way. But he couldn't let her get away with her attitude. She should have obeyed the teacher to begin with.
You said "She didn't make the police officer assault her". Yes she did by not complying to what he said to get out of the chair.
This was a two way street. A bad cop and a bad teenager. Put the two together and you have chaos. Both were wrong in their actions.
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You are in Wales. Your laws are different then they are here. It is the law here to do what the officer tells you to do. When they say get out of the car you should get out of the car. If you delay the officer is then on suspicious mode that there might be a threat against him.
Yes, he was violent and he shouldn't have handled the situation the way he did. She wasn't a threat. She was just a bad teenager that wanted to have her own way. But he couldn't let her get away with her attitude. She should have obeyed the teacher to begin with.
You said "She didn't make the police officer assault her". Yes she did by not complying to what he said to get out of the chair.
This was a two way street. A bad cop and a bad teenager. Put the two together and you have chaos. Both were wrong in their actions.[/quote
Don't you actually see this wrong?
On his part?
Yes, he was violent and he shouldn't have handled the situation the way he did. She wasn't a threat. She was just a bad teenager that wanted to have her own way. But he couldn't let her get away with her attitude. She should have obeyed the teacher to begin with.
You said "She didn't make the police officer assault her". Yes she did by not complying to what he said to get out of the chair.
This was a two way street. A bad cop and a bad teenager. Put the two together and you have chaos. Both were wrong in their actions.[/quote
Don't you actually see this wrong?
On his part?
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secretagent09: You are in Wales. Your laws are different then they are here. It is the law here to do what the officer tells you to do. When they say get out of the car you should get out of the car. If you delay the officer is then on suspicious mode that there might be a threat against him.
Yes, he was violent and he shouldn't have handled the situation the way he did. She wasn't a threat. She was just a bad teenager that wanted to have her own way. But he couldn't let her get away with her attitude. She should have obeyed the teacher to begin with.
You said "She didn't make the police officer assault her". Yes she did by not complying to what he said to get out of the chair.
This was a two way street. A bad cop and a bad teenager. Put the two together and you have chaos. Both were wrong in their actions.
Yes, he was violent and he shouldn't have handled the situation the way he did. She wasn't a threat. She was just a bad teenager that wanted to have her own way. But he couldn't let her get away with her attitude. She should have obeyed the teacher to begin with.
You said "She didn't make the police officer assault her". Yes she did by not complying to what he said to get out of the chair.
This was a two way street. A bad cop and a bad teenager. Put the two together and you have chaos. Both were wrong in their actions.
Hiya Monte
Would agree that both were wrong in their actions but feel the resultant actions by the officer were way out of proportion to her wrong doing.
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Aragorn11: Hiya Monte
Would agree that both were wrong in their actions but feel the resultant actions by the officer were way out of proportion to her wrong doing.
Would agree that both were wrong in their actions but feel the resultant actions by the officer were way out of proportion to her wrong doing.
Hi Vinny.
I absolutely do agree that the actions of the officer were out of proportion to what the situation was.Some might say what the heck, she was a kid, an out of control teenager, giver her a break. I can't give her a break because she was obstinate, didn't want to follow the rules.
The officer lost his job and rightfully so. But I also feel the parents of this girl have to take some of the responsibility because it appears they did not raise her with the basic rule of respect. She had every chance to respect the teacher's request and the officer's request before he took the matter into his hands literally.
I know people don't like it when parents are blamed but the whole picture needs to be looked at. We know nothing about the parents. If they are law abiding citizens, or if they are in prison or if they are alive. It all plays into how this girl handles herself.
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secretagent09: Hi Vinny. I absolutely do agree that the actions of the officer were out of proportion to what the situation was.
Some might say what the heck, she was a kid, an out of control teenager, giver her a break. I can't give her a break because she was obstinate, didn't want to follow the rules.
The officer lost his job and rightfully so. But I also feel the parents of this girl have to take some of the responsibility because it appears they did not raise her with the basic rule of respect. She had every chance to respect the teacher's request and the officer's request before he took the matter into his hands literally.
I know people don't like it when parents are blamed but the whole picture needs to be looked at. We know nothing about the parents. If they are law abiding citizens, or if they are in prison or if they are alive. It all plays into how this girl handles herself.
Some might say what the heck, she was a kid, an out of control teenager, giver her a break. I can't give her a break because she was obstinate, didn't want to follow the rules.
The officer lost his job and rightfully so. But I also feel the parents of this girl have to take some of the responsibility because it appears they did not raise her with the basic rule of respect. She had every chance to respect the teacher's request and the officer's request before he took the matter into his hands literally.
I know people don't like it when parents are blamed but the whole picture needs to be looked at. We know nothing about the parents. If they are law abiding citizens, or if they are in prison or if they are alive. It all plays into how this girl handles herself.
Yeah, we don't know the role of the parents and whether they have or are a positive caring influence on their daughter.
Either way I think the girl needs to be punished and felt the whole sorry saga was handled badly by the officer, and by the school/teacher, depending on what the instructions/regulations for this situation were. At the end of the day Monte, they were the adults in this situation.
Hope you're well.
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Other students in the classroom at Spring Valley High School caught the incident on video.
Fields violated police regulations when he threw the girl, the sheriff said.
Fields was the Spring Valley High School resource officer whose actions Monday were recorded by students and ignited a firestorm on social media. Among the criticisms: his admitted use of "muscling techniques" to get the student out of her chair.
"When a classroom is disrupted by a student, that disrupts the education process and the students can't learn and the teachers can't teach," Lott said. "We have to have discipline in our schools."
"We must not lose sight that this whole incident started by this student," he said. "She is responsible for initiating this action. Some responsibility falls on her."
The videos show the officer standing over the student, seated at her desk. He puts his arm near her neck, then yanks her backward. The desk, which is attached to her chair, tips over; the student crashes backward onto the floor.
But Fields didn't let go, lifting her slightly off the ground. She flies out of her desk and slides several feet across the floor.
But Todd Rutherford, the student's attorney, said his client now has to wear a cast on her arm.
The girl also suffered a bruise on her head, her attorney said.
Fields was called in, Kenny said. The school resource officer asked the girl to leave the classroom with him.
Kenny said the officer moved the girl's laptop off her desk.
"He grabbed her arm, and he put his arm around her neck at first. So that's why you actually see her -- if you get the right video -- then you'll see her trying to swing at him," Kenny said.
"And at that point, he just flipped the desk back and grabbed her out of it and threw her. And that's when you see her rolling across the floor."
Kenny said she and other classmates had their cell phones recording because of the officer's reputation.
Her attorney, Simone Martin, said she's been told "by a number of the students that he is referred to as Officer Slam as opposed to Officer Fields. And that's telling."
The sheriff said the FBI is also to be the lead agency in a criminal investigation.
If an officer decides to make an arrest, he or she "can use whatever force is necessary," said Houck, a retired New York police detective.
"So if you don't comply with my wishes," he said, "then I can do whatever it takes to get you out of that seat and put handcuffs on you."
Sheriff criticizes law on disrupting school
Houck said the officer shouldn't have been called in to deal with the student in the first place.
Sheriff: Resource officer shouldn't be a disciplinarian
"Too often, these teachers in these schools are calling on the cops because they have a disruptive student in the classroom," he said. "This is not a cop's job."
Police in schools: Why are they there?
But South Carolina has a law that muddles the role of school resource officers, the sheriff said.
"Unfortunately, our Legislature passed a law that's called 'disturbing schools,' " he said.
"If a student disturbs school -- and that's a wide range of activities, 'disturbing schools' -- they can be arrested. Our goal has always been to see what we can do without arresting the kids. We don't need to arrest these students. We need to keep them in schools."
CNN's Dana Ford, Kevin Conlon, Chandler Friedman, Wes Bruer, Greg Botelho, Lisa Thompson and Sonia Moghe contributed to this report.