The FBI versus Apple (55)
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Friskyone: This thread obviously poses more than one question so please express your thoughts/opinions regarding the current issues between Apple & the FBI.
Should the FBI be allowed to break-in to ANY iPhone?
Would you consider this procedure to be an invasion of privacy?
Should the FBI be given permission to break-in to the iPhone of the 2015 San Bernadino attacker's?
Is Apple protecting the 227 year old law, The U.S. Constitution, or is Apple interferring with the efforts to combat terrorism?
Thank you for comments
Should the FBI be allowed to break-in to ANY iPhone?
Would you consider this procedure to be an invasion of privacy?
Should the FBI be given permission to break-in to the iPhone of the 2015 San Bernadino attacker's?
Is Apple protecting the 227 year old law, The U.S. Constitution, or is Apple interferring with the efforts to combat terrorism?
Thank you for comments
Police and anti-terrorist organisations unfortunately have their uses.
Yes, if someone is a suspect in a crime, government organisations should be able to look at phone and internet records.
As for me, if they want to look at my records, good luck. I have nothing to hide and all that happens is that someone might get a red head reading some of the more interesting text messages.
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KNenagh: Police and anti-terrorist organisations unfortunately have their uses.
Yes, if someone is a suspect in a crime, government organisations should be able to look at phone and internet records.
As for me, if they want to look at my records, good luck. I have nothing to hide and all that happens is that someone might get a red head reading some of the more interesting text messages.
Yes, if someone is a suspect in a crime, government organisations should be able to look at phone and internet records.
As for me, if they want to look at my records, good luck. I have nothing to hide and all that happens is that someone might get a red head reading some of the more interesting text messages.
The point you are missing is that an innocent message/joke to someone you know, if read out of context could be interpreted by security agents as subversive, they arrest you and YOU have to now prove it was all a mistake.
Any real terrorist worth his salt would use a carrier pigeon rather than a phone, pigeons never talk under even the worst interrogation, everyone know that!!
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rizlared: The point you are missing is that an innocent message/joke to someone you know, if read out of context could be interpreted by security agents as subversive, they arrest you and YOU have to now prove it was all a mistake.
Any real terrorist worth his salt would use a carrier pigeon rather than a phone, pigeons never talk under even the worst interrogation, everyone know that!!
Any real terrorist worth his salt would use a carrier pigeon rather than a phone, pigeons never talk under even the worst interrogation, everyone know that!!
Yeh, in fact England used carrier pigeons during the Great wars, they never divulge a secret under torture.
Although you can get some good encryption programs now, I have heard the security services have had windows built in them, by the manufacturers, so they can be decoded by them.
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The majority of people might agree with the FBI, but they're unlikely to boycott Apple products over this. The people who see themselves as defending the constitution may do. Apple have worked out which decision would cost them the fewest customers and that is there sole consideration.
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TheRedSquirrel87: The majority of people might agree with the FBI, but they're unlikely to boycott Apple products over this. The people who see themselves as defending the constitution may do. Apple have worked out which decision would cost them the fewest customers and that is there sole consideration.
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rizlared: The point you are missing is that an innocent message/joke to someone you know, if read out of context could be interpreted by security agents as subversive, they arrest you and YOU have to now prove it was all a mistake.
Any real terrorist worth his salt would use a carrier pigeon rather than a phone, pigeons never talk under even the worst interrogation, everyone know that!!
Any real terrorist worth his salt would use a carrier pigeon rather than a phone, pigeons never talk under even the worst interrogation, everyone know that!!
Or you do. Real terrorists have been found through phone, social media and email messages.
There are cases like terrorists, kidnapped kids/people where speed and getting access to these kind of data is vital. If it was someone from my family in a kidnapped situation like that, I wouldn't give a damn about someone's phone records privacy.
I have nothing to hide and I'm would be more worried about a scenario about someone close to me in danger of terrorists/criminals than the police reading my messages.
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TheRedSquirrel87: The majority of people might agree with the FBI, but they're unlikely to boycott Apple products over this. The people who see themselves as defending the constitution may do. Apple have worked out which decision would cost them the fewest customers and that is there sole consideration.
The tin foil brigade may be completely wrong and paranoid, but they're paranoia is nonetheless energetic. Their fanaticism wins them their own way because they'll punish the opposition unlike most ordinary people who switch over the TV when the news comes on. 1 fanatic outweighs 9 people with no conviction and Apple knows this.
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I do think otherwise rizlared. 
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tomcatwarne: Yeh, in fact England used carrier pigeons during the Great wars, they never divulge a secret under torture.
Although you can get some good encryption programs now, I have heard the security services have had windows built in them, by the manufacturers, so they can be decoded by them.
Although you can get some good encryption programs now, I have heard the security services have had windows built in them, by the manufacturers, so they can be decoded by them.
Some long time ago, a certain international company devised an encoded system that could be used by banks for money transfers, however GCHQ couldn't crack the code, and so forced the company to drop the software.
There is spying and then there is intrusion, very different in my opinion
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KNenagh: I do think otherwise rizlared.
No problem, we all have our own opinions, usually from our lifes experience.
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rizlared: No problem, we all have our own opinions, usually from our lifes experience.
Probably different where people have lived.
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TheRedSquirrel87: The tin foil brigade may be completely wrong and paranoid, but they're paranoia is nonetheless energetic. Their fanaticism wins them their own way because they'll punish the opposition unlike most ordinary people who switch over the TV when the news comes on. 1 fanatic outweighs 9 people with no conviction and Apple knows this.
Same as in politics. Government is anti-youth and pro-old because the grey voter carries so much more weight than the young. If politics and society pisses off young people they'll go for a drink - not one stock exchange burned down throughout the great recession - but if you try to compromise with old people they'll spit their dummies out and seek out another candidate who will give them entirely what they want(and they'll still complain).
The point is that if markets/people punished Apple for obstructing justice here then Apple would behave differently, and likewise politics would respond to the needs of youth if we were burned down a stock exchange or blew up the houses of parliament. Learn from old people; fight for and grasp what we can out of life and don't let anyone take that from us no matter how much we didn't earn it.
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Friskyone: With that being said, I also do agree that our safety and welfare is also very important. I don't really know what the solution is. It's a catch 22.
Oh please sit on the fence for a while
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tomcatwarne: Oh please sit on the fence for a while
Tom, I admit it, I'm straddling it like a Harley Davidson!
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