Cryogenics . (24)
annaroach: I have posted this on the internationals, but nobody seems interested.
I am fascinated with the concept , .
Any thoughts on it, would you like to go into cold storage for 150 years ?
I am fascinated with the concept , .
Any thoughts on it, would you like to go into cold storage for 150 years ?
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My interest would be to find out if they have cures for everything!..
Yanno...like they already do....
Yanno...like they already do....
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Giggleogenics sounds more fun.
Just sayin'.
Just sayin'.
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annaroach: I have posted this on the internationals, but nobody seems interested.
I am fascinated with the concept , .
Any thoughts on it, would you like to go into cold storage for 150 years ?
I am fascinated with the concept , .
Any thoughts on it, would you like to go into cold storage for 150 years ?
Plans for most of the labs that have tried to further this have all been "put on ice" as it were due to the enormous amounts of power that this concept and current design require to maintain the procedure plus the power has to remain absolutely secure which is severely problematic especially with their systems open to hacking. Total security coupled with a secure amount of power is still impossible which limits actual facilities from operating despite the viability of the concept.
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jac_the_gripper: Giggleogenics sounds more fun.
Just sayin'.
Just sayin'.
The giggleogenics, will be 150 years later, when they wake up
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annaroach: I have posted this on the internationals, but nobody seems interested.
I am fascinated with the concept , .
Any thoughts on it, would you like to go into cold storage for 150 years ?
I am fascinated with the concept , .
Any thoughts on it, would you like to go into cold storage for 150 years ?
A 14 year old girl here recently won the legal right to be frozen just before she died of her terminal illness. Her mother supported her legal battle from the time she decided to try for it, her father wasn't keen but eventually came round to it.
Maybe mother and daughter were hoping there'd be a cure in a few years, ten at the most. I don't know what the father was thinking but I know I'd not be keen for my daughter to be revived far in the future amongst total strangers in a completely different world. 14 is a sad, sad age to die, but it is a frightening age to face alone without family and loved ones.
For me, though, oh yeah, like a shot. Bored with the here and now, it would be like doing a really slow trip into the future!
Well - I guess it wouldn't feel really slow to me. The bit before the freezing probably wouldn't be a barrel of laughs
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Elegsabiff: A 14 year old girl here recently won the legal right to be frozen just before she died of her terminal illness. Her mother supported her legal battle from the time she decided to try for it, her father wasn't keen but eventually came round to it.
Maybe mother and daughter were hoping there'd be a cure in a few years, ten at the most. I don't know what the father was thinking but I know I'd not be keen for my daughter to be revived far in the future amongst total strangers in a completely different world. 14 is a sad, sad age to die, but it is a frightening age to face alone without family and loved ones.
For me, though, oh yeah, like a shot. Bored with the here and now, it would be like doing a really slow trip into the future! Well - I guess it wouldn't feel really slow to me.
The bit before the freezing probably wouldn't be a barrel of laughs
Maybe mother and daughter were hoping there'd be a cure in a few years, ten at the most. I don't know what the father was thinking but I know I'd not be keen for my daughter to be revived far in the future amongst total strangers in a completely different world. 14 is a sad, sad age to die, but it is a frightening age to face alone without family and loved ones.
For me, though, oh yeah, like a shot. Bored with the here and now, it would be like doing a really slow trip into the future! Well - I guess it wouldn't feel really slow to me.
The bit before the freezing probably wouldn't be a barrel of laughs
Yes maybe on reflection the mother might be having second thoughts,
Who knows how fast science will advance to that stage, not likely in their lifetime.
She is now in one of those places in the US!!
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Ocee102: By the time we're able to reanimate, curing the cause of death such as cancer will probably be a trivial matter. As will have been genetically enhancing unborn babies. At the time of reanimation we'll be so sub-par as compared to those born at the time, we'll be barely considered human..
one of my favourite SF stories was re a shipload of colonists being shot off into space for a 2000 year journey to a new planet. Of course within 100 years space travel was so dramatically advanced that new ships were sent and by the time the original lot arrived and came out of stasis there was not only a thriving civilization but, as you say, they were vastly backward and primitive.
I don't think 150 years would be too drastic, though, and that was the OP's suggested term
We've learned a lot technologically in the last century or so but haven't evolved physically in any meaningful way. Just a bit taller, and more prone to a whole new range of illnesses no-one even suspected would exist, 150 years ago.------ This thread is Archived ------
Elegsabiff: one of my favourite SF stories was re a shipload of colonists being shot off into space for a 2000 year journey to a new planet. Of course within 100 years space travel was so dramatically advanced that new ships were sent and by the time the original lot arrived and came out of stasis there was not only a thriving civilization but, as you say, they were vastly backward and primitive.
I don't think 150 years would be too drastic, though, and that was the OP's suggested term We've learned a lot technologically in the last century or so but haven't evolved physically in any meaningful way. Just a bit taller, and more prone to a whole new range of illnesses no-one even suspected would exist, 150 years ago.
I don't think 150 years would be too drastic, though, and that was the OP's suggested term We've learned a lot technologically in the last century or so but haven't evolved physically in any meaningful way. Just a bit taller, and more prone to a whole new range of illnesses no-one even suspected would exist, 150 years ago.
It would take a shift in thinking.
We'd have to look at fetuses as potential humans, and decide not enhancing them genetically is an unethical waste of potential. A shift like that would need a catalyst, such as impending doom. If we have to start culling the population to curb climate change or face extinction pragmatic things like designer genetics to enhance intelligence, become more likely.
A global population today of 7 billion, up 5 fold in the last hundred years....
There's a critical mass population number.
I'm not saying we're at it, but when we are and realize it, the moral formula for human value gets rewritten.
Or....I'm just a dark minded aging net dweller externalizing his own dissatisfaction.
PS: I agree 150 years probably isn't long enough. I'm just having a bit of fun with the premise.
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jac_the_gripper: Giggleogenics sounds more fun.
Just sayin'.
Just sayin'.
We're not amusement park rides you know!
Gigolos...
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annaroach: I have posted this on the internationals, but nobody seems interested.
I am fascinated with the concept , .
Any thoughts on it, would you like to go into cold storage for 150 years ?
I am fascinated with the concept , .
Any thoughts on it, would you like to go into cold storage for 150 years ?
Many women seem so cold these days that it almost seems a waste to bother with expensive processes ... but there ya go!
On a more serious note though ... at the point of the death the spirit / soul leaves the body and while there's many Near Death Experiences reports of a 're-entry' into the when heroic attempts are made to save a life with electroshock and etc, in the main once the soul departs it doesn't return. So ... there might be questions concerning the viability of 'life' unless 'some other spirit' was lingering an opportunistically entered the bosy ... in which the person who paid for the crogenic preservation would become a body donor to a 'randon passing spirit' And, spirits that do not transition properly are rarely happy beings ...
But OK on a more practical note lets imagine that it might be possible that the body could be restarted years later when some 'new cure' has been identified ... but how would that person ( assuming they were still 'themselves') cope if say they died in 2016 and were revived in 2166?
Even the last 30 years has seen previously unheard rates of acceleration in technology, language and social change ... the person would be like a dinosaur ... they'd be unable to cope and so they;d probably be euthanased as they were not able to make any contribution, or imprisoned in a museum as a living curiosity ?
Neither sounds a lot of fun ... but let's hear other possibilties ... what outcomes can you imagine ?
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Kattte: Plans for most of the labs that have tried to further this have all been "put on ice" as it were due to the enormous amounts of power that this concept and current design require to maintain the procedure plus the power has to remain absolutely secure which is severely problematic especially with their systems open to hacking. Total security coupled with a secure amount of power is still impossible which limits actual facilities from operating despite the viability of the concept.
An option could be to place the "material" in permanent frozen ground very north or very south and forget the cooling-freezing system.
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lifeisadream: An option could be to place the "material" in permanent frozen ground very north or very south and forget the cooling-freezing system.
Uh huh ... and when the permafrost melts through global warming ... everyone gets their money I suppose ?
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HexagonKeySet: Uh huh ... and when the permafrost melts through global warming ... everyone gets their money I suppose ?
And when is the permafrost is going to melt?
(Any idea?)
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An option could be to place the "material" in permanent frozen ground very north or very south and forget the cooling-freezing system.[/quote
The world's largest genetics lab is located just at the Arctic Circle at Spitsbergen, I believe. It took years with many Govt. helping to fund it. All grains and animal genetic material is stored there both as a record and as a 'last resort' re-population measure. No private clinic would have the moneys to bring the enormous amounts of equipment needed to break and dig into permanently frozen earth which would have to be either at the North Pole or South polar regions; massive mountains all over the southern pole area; forget the Himalayas...machinery can't climb and the Sherpas aren't interested in even trying to guide bulldozers etc. up their mountains and helicopters can't operate at their heights in blizzard conditions...may as well put remains into a rocket bound for Pluto once automated lab set ups are worked out and if the rockets could land on an ice world....they can't even yet land on Martian sand,,,
Have you found the science series, Through The Wormhole hosted by Morgan Freeman?? It's all so fascinating, I purchased the whole series...
The world's largest genetics lab is located just at the Arctic Circle at Spitsbergen, I believe. It took years with many Govt. helping to fund it. All grains and animal genetic material is stored there both as a record and as a 'last resort' re-population measure. No private clinic would have the moneys to bring the enormous amounts of equipment needed to break and dig into permanently frozen earth which would have to be either at the North Pole or South polar regions; massive mountains all over the southern pole area; forget the Himalayas...machinery can't climb and the Sherpas aren't interested in even trying to guide bulldozers etc. up their mountains and helicopters can't operate at their heights in blizzard conditions...may as well put remains into a rocket bound for Pluto once automated lab set ups are worked out and if the rockets could land on an ice world....they can't even yet land on Martian sand,,,
Have you found the science series, Through The Wormhole hosted by Morgan Freeman?? It's all so fascinating, I purchased the whole series...
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Hi
That was her wish.
But?
Why come back here?
That was her wish.
But?
Why come back here?
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HexagonKeySet: Many women seem so cold these days that it almost seems a waste to bother with expensive processes ... but there ya go!
On a more serious note though ... at the point of the death the spirit / soul leaves the body and while there's many Near Death Experiences reports of a 're-entry' into the when heroic attempts are made to save a life with electroshock and etc, in the main once the soul departs it doesn't return. So ... there might be questions concerning the viability of 'life' unless 'some other spirit' was lingering an opportunistically entered the bosy ... in which the person who paid for the crogenic preservation would become a body donor to a 'randon passing spirit' And, spirits that do not transition properly are rarely happy beings ...
But OK on a more practical note lets imagine that it might be possible that the body could be restarted years later when some 'new cure' has been identifiedhttp://www.connectingsingles.com/forumcommentadd.aspx?&k=225604&ki=9416910&q=1# ... but how would that person ( assuming they were still 'themselves') cope if say they died in 2016 and were revived in 2166?
Even the last 30 years has seen previously unheard rates of acceleration in technology, language and social change ... the person would be like a dinosaur ... they'd be unable to cope and so they;d probably be euthanased as they were not able to make any contribution, or imprisoned in a museum as a living curiosity ?
Neither sounds a lot of fun ... but let's hear other possibilties ... what outcomes can you imagine ?
On a more serious note though ... at the point of the death the spirit / soul leaves the body and while there's many Near Death Experiences reports of a 're-entry' into the when heroic attempts are made to save a life with electroshock and etc, in the main once the soul departs it doesn't return. So ... there might be questions concerning the viability of 'life' unless 'some other spirit' was lingering an opportunistically entered the bosy ... in which the person who paid for the crogenic preservation would become a body donor to a 'randon passing spirit' And, spirits that do not transition properly are rarely happy beings ...
But OK on a more practical note lets imagine that it might be possible that the body could be restarted years later when some 'new cure' has been identifiedhttp://www.connectingsingles.com/forumcommentadd.aspx?&k=225604&ki=9416910&q=1# ... but how would that person ( assuming they were still 'themselves') cope if say they died in 2016 and were revived in 2166?
Even the last 30 years has seen previously unheard rates of acceleration in technology, language and social change ... the person would be like a dinosaur ... they'd be unable to cope and so they;d probably be euthanased as they were not able to make any contribution, or imprisoned in a museum as a living curiosity ?
Neither sounds a lot of fun ... but let's hear other possibilties ... what outcomes can you imagine ?
Yeah i can see how many women would be cold these days, temperatures have dropped ,big time
On a serious note,, i really can't see any benefits from it, unless to advance science,
I wonder what anyone that has had it done, had hoped would happen,, especially the 14 year old Uk girl.
In that length of time, hopefully ,there will be cures for those diseases, and i'llneses anyway .
The other thing ,might be, that their names will go down in history and they will be remembered in that way.
Any more views on this?
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sps092000: Cryogenics.
Cry baby sore loser democrats.
Cry baby sore loser democrats.
The Trump Thread is over that way
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I am fascinated with the concept , .
Any thoughts on it, would you like to go into cold storage for 150 years ?