charles_nz: The number of votes for each candidate is irrelevant.
Trump won the election. On exactly the same basis and rules that every other president in recent times has won..
Wrong.
Only five US presidents in history have been elected despite losing the popular vote: John Quincy Adams in 1824, Rutherford Hayes in 1876, Benjamin Harrison in 1888, George W. Bush in 2000 and Donald Trump this November.Dec 12, 2016
raphael119washington d.c., District of Columbia USA5,181 posts
charles_nz: The number of votes for each candidate is irrelevant.
Trump won the election. On exactly the same basis and rules that every other president in recent times has won.
And the Establishment are trying to undermine and subvert due process by using every dirty trick in the book to get rid of a man they dislike. Frankly, it stinks.
Go back to Russia. The popular vote is always relevant.
charles_nzChristchurch, Canterbury New Zealand1,386 Posts
charles_nzChristchurch, Canterbury New Zealand1,386 posts
mykingdomforanam: So much for sending our troops to foreign nations, to promote democracy. .
Democracy has, in the vast majority of countries that practice it, never been about guaranteeing that the candidate with the highest vote will necessarily win.
Here in New Zealand, the 1978 and 1981 general elections were won by a party that polled less votes than the opposition party, but won more seats. The last election we had here too, in 2017, also delivered a result that cut out the largest party, and saw a government formed by a party that was 10 percentage points behind the largest party in the popular vote.
In the UK, similar scenarios have played out in the past.
And in countries with proportional representation systems, governments are often formed by parties that only 30% of people actually voted for.
An election between two individual candidates, with the higher of the two guaranteed by the system to win, is very much the exception in democratic systems.
charles_nzChristchurch, Canterbury New Zealand1,386 Posts
charles_nzChristchurch, Canterbury New Zealand1,386 posts
raphael119: Go back to Russia. The popular vote is always relevant.
Sorry but it's not.
If the architects of the U.S.A.'s political system had wished to create a system in which the higher polling candidate necessarily won, they would have done so. But they didn't.
charles_nzChristchurch, Canterbury New Zealand1,386 Posts
charles_nzChristchurch, Canterbury New Zealand1,386 posts
mykingdomforanam: Wrong.
Only five US presidents in history have been elected despite losing the popular vote: John Quincy Adams in 1824, Rutherford Hayes in 1876, Benjamin Harrison in 1888, George W. Bush in 2000 and Donald Trump this November.Dec 12, 2016
Independent › uk › americas Donald Trump has lost popular vote by greater margin than any US ...
I am not wrong. And your post is irrelevant.
Trump won the election, on the same basis and rules that every other winning candidate has won. The Establishment (whom you seem to admire so much) are unwilling to accept the result, despite the fact that they created the rules under which he won.
As an aside, I am sure you would be singing a different tune had the Clinton Crime Syndicate won, with less votes than Trump.
If the architects of the U.S.A.'s political system had wished to create a system in which the higher polling candidate necessarily won, they would have done so. But they didn't.
Which is why anybody who wants to fight for democracy, shouldn't join our military to do it.
Only five US presidents in history have been elected despite losing the popular vote: John Quincy Adams in 1824, Rutherford Hayes in 1876, Benjamin Harrison in 1888, George W. Bush in 2000 and Donald Trump this November.Dec 12, 2016
charles_nz: I am not wrong. And your post is irrelevant.
Trump won the election, on the same basis and rules that every other winning candidate has won. The Establishment (whom you seem to admire so much) are unwilling to accept the result, despite the fact that they created the rules under which he won.
As an aside, I am sure you would be singing a different tune had the Clinton Crime Syndicate won, with less votes than Trump.
You're full of reasoning fallacies!
Only 5 US presidents won the popular vote, but were appointed by the Electoral College.
I support a democratic government, over Trump or Clinton; so, you can be sure, you're wrong!
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