Criticism is it necessary? ( Archived) (59)

Feb 1, 2019 6:10 AM CST Criticism is it necessary?
smiley963
smiley963smiley963Johannesburg, Gauteng South Africa254 Threads 5 Polls 3,651 Posts
PeKaatje: I know there are many innocent people in jail, my father was convicted for something the police ordered him to do.
But I also know that most of the prisoners belong in jail! Or even worse, some people just don't deserve to live, in my country we have a guy, Willem Holleeder, who once kidnapped Heineken (the beer brewer, and his chauffeur), he gave orders to kill people, he was one of the leaders of the drugsscene in my country, and now he's in court. He's been a criminal for over 40 years now, and if I was the judge I would give him a one way ticket to hell.
Nobody is perfect, and some makes major mistakes, and some can reform too, and some are born criminals too!
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Feb 1, 2019 6:12 AM CST Criticism is it necessary?
TerryBull
TerryBullTerryBullLondon, Greater London, England UK2 Threads 881 Posts
Well he thought he did
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Feb 1, 2019 6:13 AM CST Criticism is it necessary?
PeKaatje
PeKaatjePeKaatjeAnkeveen, North Holland Netherlands59 Threads 3 Polls 6,334 Posts
smiley963: Nobody is perfect, and some makes major mistakes, and some can reform too, and some are born criminals too!
Born criminals? No one is, they go to school, and they have an own mind. Anybody knows the difference between good and evil.
I can be anyone I want to be, a criminal, a murderer or a chessteacher, and I f i would go study now, I can become something else.
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Feb 1, 2019 6:13 AM CST Criticism is it necessary?
TerryBull
TerryBullTerryBullLondon, Greater London, England UK2 Threads 881 Posts
I think it was just he's aroma
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Feb 1, 2019 6:15 AM CST Criticism is it necessary?
smiley963
smiley963smiley963Johannesburg, Gauteng South Africa254 Threads 5 Polls 3,651 Posts
PeKaatje: Born criminals? No one is, they go to school, and they have an own mind. Anybody knows the difference between good and evil.
I can be anyone I want to be, a criminal, a murderer or a chessteacher, and I f i would go study now, I can become something else.
Some people are really born criminals, no joke!
Yes, you are never too old, to better yourself!
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Feb 1, 2019 6:16 AM CST Criticism is it necessary?
aries1234
aries1234aries1234plymout, Devon, England UK175 Threads 3 Polls 5,672 Posts
smiley963: "We were all born with common sense, which will tell you if something is wrong or right according to your own discrimination levels." Every person has the right to make their own decisions, and their own mistakes. You have No right to enjoy pointing it out to them!!! I guess you're the type that Always knows better, and makes the most mistakes?
You see, you have proved my point, a heuristc view , which is totally wrong. And you accept your opinion as gospel.grin
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Feb 1, 2019 6:19 AM CST Criticism is it necessary?
smiley963
smiley963smiley963Johannesburg, Gauteng South Africa254 Threads 5 Polls 3,651 Posts
aries1234: You see, you have proved my point, a heuristc view , which is totally wrong. And you accept your opinion as gospel.
We all have the right to an opinion, which does not mean You are right either, but if it works for you, who have the right to criticise it?
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Feb 1, 2019 7:45 AM CST Criticism is it necessary?
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
It’s a nice idea. A society of reasonable no-men with a sense of fair play.

However Marxism comes from criticism and overstating how fair people are actually going to be. Suspicion, bias and corruption rob criticism of its merits, will a person actually be equal opportunities offensive?
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Feb 1, 2019 8:08 AM CST Criticism is it necessary?
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
It’s not necessary in prison or anywhere where you’re suspicious of everyone you meet. You don’t criticise social death and you don’t criticise a frenemy. Wherever circumstance has unhappily thrown you together is a place to either hold your tongue or avoid direct conversation with anyone.
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Feb 1, 2019 8:25 AM CST Criticism is it necessary?
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
Criticism is necessary only when there’s a genuine rapport. You have a laugh together or there’s some sort of gentleman’s agreement, a shared understanding which means you don’t cry about it.
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Feb 1, 2019 8:54 AM CST Criticism is it necessary?
smiley963
smiley963smiley963Johannesburg, Gauteng South Africa254 Threads 5 Polls 3,651 Posts
ChesneyChrist: Criticism is necessary only when there’s a genuine rapport. You have a laugh together or there’s some sort of gentleman’s agreement, a shared understanding which means you don’t cry about it.
I agree with this summary!
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Feb 1, 2019 8:58 AM CST Criticism is it necessary?
smiley963
smiley963smiley963Johannesburg, Gauteng South Africa254 Threads 5 Polls 3,651 Posts
smiley963: I agree with this summary!
That is if you are talking about "Constructive criticism"?
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Feb 1, 2019 9:52 AM CST Criticism is it necessary?
pKrema
pKremapKremaAt home, Shumen Bulgaria6 Threads 4,707 Posts
Very few people accept constructive criticism, or criticism of any kind...
The truth it that to accept it you need to be realising the potential of it and admit your own mistake or inability to see your faults...
And what's even harder is to really follow it and do something about it...
Sometimes saying "You are right" to your critic could bring a huge, positive change to your life...
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Feb 1, 2019 9:57 AM CST Criticism is it necessary?
aries1234
aries1234aries1234plymout, Devon, England UK175 Threads 3 Polls 5,672 Posts
pKrema: Very few people accept constructive criticism, or criticism of any kind...
The truth it that to accept it you need to be realising the potential of it and admit your own mistake or inability to see your faults...
And what's even harder is to really follow it and do something about it...
Sometimes saying "You are right" to your critic could bring a huge, positive change to your life...
Thats a more sensible intepretation pKthumbs up handshake
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Feb 1, 2019 10:02 AM CST Criticism is it necessary?
smiley963
smiley963smiley963Johannesburg, Gauteng South Africa254 Threads 5 Polls 3,651 Posts
pKrema: Very few people accept constructive criticism, or criticism of any kind...
The truth it that to accept it you need to be realising the potential of it and admit your own mistake or inability to see your faults...
And what's even harder is to really follow it and do something about it...
Sometimes saying "You are right" to your critic could bring a huge, positive change to your life...
Do you have a regular person criticising you then, and then paid for, I guess, like a counsellor? They will drag it out forever too!
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Feb 1, 2019 10:09 AM CST Criticism is it necessary?
aries1234
aries1234aries1234plymout, Devon, England UK175 Threads 3 Polls 5,672 Posts
smiley963: "We were all born with common sense, which will tell you if something is wrong or right according to your own discrimination levels." Every person has the right to make their own decisions, and their own mistakes. You have No right to enjoy pointing it out to them!!! I guess you're the type that Always knows better, and makes the most mistakes?
In reality. Common sense is neither common nor sense. There's not a whole of sound judgment going on these days (though whether it is worse than in the past, I can't be sure), so it's not common. If common sense was common, then most people wouldn't make the kinds of decisions they do every day. People wouldn't buy stuff they can't afford. They wouldn't smoke cigarettes or eat junk food. They wouldn't gamble. And if you want to get really specific and timely, politicians wouldn't be tweeting pictures of their private parts to strangers. In other words, people wouldn't do the multitude of things that are clearly not good for them.

And common sense isn't real sense, if we define sense as being sound judgment, because relying on experience alone doesn't usually offer enough information to draw reliable conclusions. Heck, I think common sense is a contradiction in terms. Real sense can rarely be derived from experience alone because most people's experiences are limited.

In fact, I think that so-called common sense is a fallacy that has been foisted on us by our culture of ideology (any ideology that wants to tell us what we should think and do) that prefers us to be stupid, ill informed, and poor decision makers. Sorry to get a bit political here, but common sense is even used as an ideological cudgel by conservatives in which so-called coastal elites lack common sense and, as a result, are out of touch with "real Americans" who apparently have an abundance of common sense. But, if we use our elected representatives as examples (though I can't vouch for how representative they actually are), I think it's safe to say that unsound judgment, that is, the absence of common sense, doesn't discriminate based on political ideology.

The word common, by definition, suggests that common sense is held by a large number of people. But the idea that if most people think something makes sense then it must be sound judgment has been disproven time and time again. Further, it is often people who might be accused of not having common sense who prove that what is common sense is not only not sense, but also completely wrong. And, by the way, common sense is often used by people who don't have the real knowledge, expertise, or direct experience to actually make sound judgments.

I rest my case.
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Feb 1, 2019 10:21 AM CST Criticism is it necessary?
what do you mean smiley by the term ''criticism psychosis''?

never heard that term I will google it...!
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Feb 1, 2019 10:50 AM CST Criticism is it necessary?
pKrema
pKremapKremaAt home, Shumen Bulgaria6 Threads 4,707 Posts
smiley963: Yes we all get constructive criticism from the ones that care about us, as they don't aim to harm, but to help, where general criticism, is to harm, one way or another!
It's about how you say it that makes the great difference...
The way you serve your criticism is essential to how it's gonna be accepted or not...
Every critisms holds a seed of truth in it, there's always something that triggers the desire of another person to hurt your ego...
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Feb 1, 2019 10:51 AM CST Criticism is it necessary?
smiley963
smiley963smiley963Johannesburg, Gauteng South Africa254 Threads 5 Polls 3,651 Posts
pedro27: what do you mean smiley by the term ''criticism psychosis''?

never heard that term I will google it...!
Google:

Criticism:
the expression of disapproval of someone or something on the basis of perceived faults or mistakes.

Psychosis:
a severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality.

Can you now see how the two words can be put together?

The criticiser, aiming to disapprove and harm, has a severe psychosis, like someone contravening the law almost, losing touch with reality, through always criticising the people they don't like, and disapprove of. Note: Criticism is on a basis of Perceived faults and mistakes, so it is the criticiser at fault, not the criticised!
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Feb 1, 2019 10:57 AM CST Criticism is it necessary?
smiley963: Google:

Criticism:
the expression of disapproval of someone or something on the basis of perceived faults or mistakes.

Psychosis:
a severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality.

Can you now see how the two words can be put together?

The criticiser, aiming to disapprove and harm, has a severe psychosis, like someone contravening the law almost, losing touch with reality, through always criticising the people they don't like, and disapprove of. Note: Criticism is on a basis of Perceived faults and mistakes, so it is the criticiser at fault, not the criticised!
but its actually not a term, did you put them together just?
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