What is the difference? (371)
CirclipNottingham, Nottinghamshire, England UK22 Threads 826 Poststruheart1941: their opinions......who is right ??????
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BB_snickers: I was introduced about a year ago. I could not afford the book then but I was getting daily lessons from another site. I did not dedicate myself at all to those lessons as I was going through something quite jarring.
However recently they completed an online book which is well laid out, and so now I am reading and adjusting in ernest. Right timing I guess.
I want to complete the text before I restart the daily lessons or at least start practicing them.
So also a limited time for me as well.
I totally "resisted" input from ACIM ... may be I knew too many people involved with it who were not "walking their talk" ... not sure what it has been... may be it doesn't vibrate the same as my own vibration However recently they completed an online book which is well laid out, and so now I am reading and adjusting in ernest. Right timing I guess.
I want to complete the text before I restart the daily lessons or at least start practicing them.
So also a limited time for me as well.
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BB_snickers:
True love is far more expensive for me. It isn't really boxable unless that box is infinity, but the way you have worded it is something I can appreciate. If the box were labelled Universe?
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Okay, but who is this true love for; who do you intend to give it to?True love is far more expensive for me. It isn't really boxable unless that box is infinity, but the way you have worded it is something I can appreciate. If the box were labelled Universe?
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Circlip: Isn't love just a word, and only means what it's user intends it to mean? I mean there isn't a thing out in the world -spirit world or any other- that corresponds to the word, so there's not much point in going looking for it.
The word merely represents a concept, and that concept could have infinite variations. It's a sort of personal pick and mix.
All the words you are using to explain what love represents for you describe a mental process. The thing is, love can't be felt with the mind. The mind is not adequate to represent "love". The word merely represents a concept, and that concept could have infinite variations. It's a sort of personal pick and mix.
Circlip: The quality of being unconditional, and the element of surrender, and perhaps you want it to be eternal, but then decide that might be a bit too ambitious so take it back out. You eventually end up with a collection you are satisfied with, and put it all in a box labelled True Love.
Again you are describing a mental process. Love is eternal because love just is. You can't give or take away love although you may choose to be or not in the presence of someone. I can see/feel people at soul level. Sometimes the divinity of their soul is not matched by their human "nature". That would be such a time when in spite of the deep love beyond humanness, I might choose to not be in the same space as that person. Apart from the experience I describe near the beginning of this thread, another occasion when I came close to feeling in every cell of my body what unconditional love is, was several years ago when my daughter was very unwell and doing some very "strange" things (some not so cool) and my body (not my mind) suddenly just filled with just pure love for her unconditionally. Translated into "mind words" it meant that there was nothing that my daughter needed to do or not do, say or not say, for me to feel this practically bone melting awesome love for her.
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Circlip: Nobody knows what a tree is. All we know is the representation of it in our perception. We experience an analogy of a tree, but we can never experience the tree itself. Even though we might know the tree is, in a sense, an illusion, isn't to treat it as though it is what it seems to be the only reasonable and sensible thing to do?
Oh yeah, just labels and symbols ... for what purpose though? When one studies the expression of a tree they might come across info on how attached that tree is to the sun, and the wind, and the earth and other trees around it.Now it's purpose begins to speak of connection and is it then a big leap to see your own connection to that tree?
Circlip:
You obviously do not trust nature. We are designed/evolved to experience the world in a certain way, but it seems you think you can improve on that.
I totally trust nature. That it evolves speaks volumes that is change. Is it improvement? You obviously do not trust nature. We are designed/evolved to experience the world in a certain way, but it seems you think you can improve on that.
I don't see the value in judging what nature does. That I improve matters and that means reaching inside of me and finding all the love that resides there and doing my best to expand. Maybe after I get some name brand shoes though. 
I could be wrong but I think I read once that the etymology of the word 'name' is actually 'nature'. People trying to identify others did so by trying to understand their nature, their essence and then attach that as an identity. Then it became their job such as Shepherd or Carpenter etc.
Anyway, the reason I mention that is because there are really old King James psalms that refer to the "name of god", which in those days meant describing the "nature of god". Nowadays we refer to creation as nature ... essentially naming god without realizing that we're unaware of what our ancestors knew but we still use the reference. Love that.
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Selenite: I totally "resisted" input from ACIM ... may be I knew too many people involved with it who were not "walking their talk" ... not sure what it has been... may be it doesn't vibrate the same as my own vibration ... may be I was happy plugging directly into source and getting insights that related perfectly to where I was on my self-healing journey layer after layer...
Yeah, there's a lot to uncover in ACIM. I expect some, not for lack of ability or intention would misinterpret what is meant by all the sections. I have done this myself and recently began listening to a more qualified person explaining the sections to help with a better understanding.
The walk of ACIM is rather saintly which feels like a very huge leap from one's ego comfort zone.
And then I suppose there are those that only join ACIM to become a peer or seeking approval. Bless them.
Walking your talk is hard sometimes and if it comes to doing what ACIM instructs well, it is as far as I can tell a huge process. Perhaps too lofty for some?
I'm glad that you found a more direct line EW. I'm happy for you. I may ask you for some assistance along those lines if thats ok.
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BB_snickers:
Now it's purpose begins to speak of connection and is it then a big leap to see your own connection to that tree?
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What purpose does a tree have other than to flourish and propagate itself? It is like every other living thing in that respect. Any connection I have to the tree is one that I assign to myself.Now it's purpose begins to speak of connection and is it then a big leap to see your own connection to that tree?
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I love trees; I love being surrounded by trees, trees are wonderful as they are, and as they seem to be, why is it necessary to project some mystical quality onto them in order to appreciate them?
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Selenite: Quite an amazing journey
True dat. 
There is so much more not mentioned and still more to come. Welp, as you know of course. 
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BB_snickers: Yeah, there's a lot to uncover in ACIM. I expect some, not for lack of ability or intention would misinterpret what is meant by all the sections.
I have done this myself and recently began listening to a more qualified person explaining the sections to help with a better understanding.
The walk of ACIM is rather saintly which feels like a very huge leap from one's ego comfort zone.
And then I suppose there are those that only join ACIM to become a peer or seeking approval. Bless them.
Walking your talk is hard sometimes and if it comes to doing what ACIM instructs well, it is as far as I can tell a huge process. Perhaps too lofty for some?
I'm glad that you found a more direct line EW. I'm happy for you. I may ask you for some assistance along those lines if thats ok.
Yes!! Everything you describe I've seen over the last 14 years since first meeting people involved in its "study"!! I have done this myself and recently began listening to a more qualified person explaining the sections to help with a better understanding.
The walk of ACIM is rather saintly which feels like a very huge leap from one's ego comfort zone.
And then I suppose there are those that only join ACIM to become a peer or seeking approval. Bless them.
Walking your talk is hard sometimes and if it comes to doing what ACIM instructs well, it is as far as I can tell a huge process. Perhaps too lofty for some?
I'm glad that you found a more direct line EW. I'm happy for you. I may ask you for some assistance along those lines if thats ok.
The misinterpreting what was meant to "fit" their own ego lead agenda was probably the more uncomfortable one to witness... And yes I agree, the "walk" of ACIM is a rather saintly one. I wasn't prepared to be saintly enough
Sure, any time if I can help ...
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Selenite: Romantic love is a "mind" thing in my opinion.
Monogamy on the other hand need not stem from possessiveness but from the awareness of the vibration carried during the exchange of fluids and love making. Women especially "receive" and carry the other person's vibration for a very long time after an intimate encounter. But men too as the energy would be moving in circle.
I'm extremely sensitive to energies, and all of my senses are sensitive. Therefore,
it is my choice to not mix my vibration with several people and my preference that he would prefer that too for himself. May be it's a clever story that my mind tells itself because in effect it feels a possessive need for monogamy
Monogamy is when you work out who you like best and pretend not to like anyone else. It's for the sake of civilization.Monogamy on the other hand need not stem from possessiveness but from the awareness of the vibration carried during the exchange of fluids and love making. Women especially "receive" and carry the other person's vibration for a very long time after an intimate encounter. But men too as the energy would be moving in circle.
I'm extremely sensitive to energies, and all of my senses are sensitive. Therefore,
it is my choice to not mix my vibration with several people and my preference that he would prefer that too for himself. May be it's a clever story that my mind tells itself because in effect it feels a possessive need for monogamy
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BB_snickers: True dat. There is so much more not mentioned and still more to come. Welp, as you know of course.
Oh God Yes!! There's a time for speaking and a time for silence. It gets better and better. But when a "dark night of the soul" moment happens, its intensity is equal with how bright the light was while I could perceive its brightness. I guess total absence of duality (perfect balance) is not a permanent state for me yet...
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ChesneyChrist: Monogamy is when you work out who you like best and pretend not to like anyone else. It's for the sake of civilization.
That's your perception of monogamy. In reality you don't have to pretend anything. You have to choose to only honour one person (if that is your choice) or not.What civilisation?
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Circlip: Okay, but who is this true love for; who do you intend to give it to?
You/me aka the self, which is all, because all is one. The more love that any entity/being can let rise within the self means that more love will make it's way to the rest of oneness. (one mind)
The ego uses this same methodology of the mind to make chaos, seperation, hells, etc. It uses the mind and does it's best to give rise to your fears to propagate negative illusions whereby your life feels horrible and the people you notice seem horrible and life just sucks.
So the better choice is to let love rise 'within' you because that is where it is, and the better you feel and the better others feels because its infectious.
The ego crap works. Just look at the world as it is. It is not well. This is the mind's doing by simply choosing to hear the ego and ignore the spirit.
So your answer is, the love is for me, for you, for all. The mind need only change to one of love and compassion. You can even love the ego, and keep it aware of the better choice.
This is why going out in nature and meditating on the connection of all things helps to see how awesome the illusion is and how it would be better served in love, without the ego rule that pervades most of the planet and people's lives.
The original purpose of temples was to gather people in one place and to use 'one mind' to make life aka the illusion a better place. That place is love.
Lastly, internal and eternal love is the only thing that you can give and never fear losing it because it is you.
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Selenite: All the words you are using to explain what love represents for you describe a mental process. The thing is, love can't be felt with the mind. The mind is not adequate to represent "love".
Again you are describing a mental process. Love is eternal because love just is. You can't give or take away love although you may choose to be or not in the presence of someone. I can see/feel people at soul level. Sometimes the divinity of their soul is not matched by their human "nature". That would be such a time when in spite of the deep love beyond humanness, I might choose to not be in the same space as that person.
Apart from the experience I describe near the beginning of this thread, another occasion when I came close to feeling in every cell of my body what unconditional love is, was several years ago when my daughter was very unwell and doing some very "strange" things (some not so cool) and my body (not my mind) suddenly just filled with just pure love for her unconditionally. Translated into "mind words" it meant that there was nothing that my daughter needed to do or not do, say or not say, for me to feel this practically bone melting awesome love for her.
Whoop, there it is! Again you are describing a mental process. Love is eternal because love just is. You can't give or take away love although you may choose to be or not in the presence of someone. I can see/feel people at soul level. Sometimes the divinity of their soul is not matched by their human "nature". That would be such a time when in spite of the deep love beyond humanness, I might choose to not be in the same space as that person.
Apart from the experience I describe near the beginning of this thread, another occasion when I came close to feeling in every cell of my body what unconditional love is, was several years ago when my daughter was very unwell and doing some very "strange" things (some not so cool) and my body (not my mind) suddenly just filled with just pure love for her unconditionally. Translated into "mind words" it meant that there was nothing that my daughter needed to do or not do, say or not say, for me to feel this practically bone melting awesome love for her.
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BB_snickers: You/me aka the self, which is all, because all is one.
The more love that any entity/being can let rise within the self means that more love will make it's way to the rest of oneness. (one mind)
The ego uses this same methodology of the mind to make chaos, seperation, hells, etc. It uses the mind and does it's best to give rise to your fears to propagate negative illusions whereby your life feels horrible and the people you notice seem horrible and life just sucks.
So the better choice is to let love rise 'within' you because that is where it is, and the better you feel and the better others feels because its infectious.
The ego crap works. Just look at the world as it is. It is not well. This is the mind's doing by simply choosing to hear the ego and ignore the spirit.
So your answer is, the love is for me, for you, for all. The mind need only change to one of love and compassion. You can even love the ego, and keep it aware of the better choice.
This is why going out in nature and meditating on the connection of all things helps to see how awesome the illusion is and how it would be better served in love, without the ego rule that pervades most of the planet and people's lives.
The original purpose of temples was to gather people in one place and to use 'one mind' to make life aka the illusion a better place. That place is love.
Lastly, internal and eternal love is the only thing that you can give and never fear losing it because it is you.
I'm sorry, BB, but all that is meaningless. It says absolutely nothing. All I can do is assume it means something to you and you derive value from it, but I'm afraid I will never understand it. Let's put it down to the wonderful diversity of mankind, and embrace it as such. The more love that any entity/being can let rise within the self means that more love will make it's way to the rest of oneness. (one mind)
The ego uses this same methodology of the mind to make chaos, seperation, hells, etc. It uses the mind and does it's best to give rise to your fears to propagate negative illusions whereby your life feels horrible and the people you notice seem horrible and life just sucks.
So the better choice is to let love rise 'within' you because that is where it is, and the better you feel and the better others feels because its infectious.
The ego crap works. Just look at the world as it is. It is not well. This is the mind's doing by simply choosing to hear the ego and ignore the spirit.
So your answer is, the love is for me, for you, for all. The mind need only change to one of love and compassion. You can even love the ego, and keep it aware of the better choice.
This is why going out in nature and meditating on the connection of all things helps to see how awesome the illusion is and how it would be better served in love, without the ego rule that pervades most of the planet and people's lives.
The original purpose of temples was to gather people in one place and to use 'one mind' to make life aka the illusion a better place. That place is love.
Lastly, internal and eternal love is the only thing that you can give and never fear losing it because it is you.
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Romantic love is a "mind" thing in my opinion.Yep agreed EW. All is mind stuff.
Selenite:
Monogamy on the other hand need not stem from possessiveness but from the awareness of the vibration carried during the exchange of fluids and love making. Women especially "receive" and carry the other person's vibration for a very long time after an intimate encounter. But men too as the energy would be moving in circle.
Yep an energy exchange exists. (chakras) I forget what Law of One calls it so I won't even try to add to this.Monogamy on the other hand need not stem from possessiveness but from the awareness of the vibration carried during the exchange of fluids and love making. Women especially "receive" and carry the other person's vibration for a very long time after an intimate encounter. But men too as the energy would be moving in circle.
Selenite: I'm extremely sensitive to energies, and all of my senses are sensitive. Therefore,
it is my choice to not mix my vibration with several people and my preference that he would prefer that too for himself. May be it's a clever story that my mind tells itself because in effect it feels a possessive need for monogamy
you are so intuitive and mostly open that I doubt you would miss the fact that the ego is bringin the fear here it is my choice to not mix my vibration with several people and my preference that he would prefer that too for himself. May be it's a clever story that my mind tells itself because in effect it feels a possessive need for monogamy
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Circlip: What purpose does a tree have other than to flourish and propagate itself? It is like every other living thing in that respect. Any connection I have to the tree is one that I assign to myself.
I love trees; I love being surrounded by trees, trees are wonderful as they are, and as they seem to be, why is it necessary to project some mystical quality onto them in order to appreciate them?
Fair enough Circ.I love trees; I love being surrounded by trees, trees are wonderful as they are, and as they seem to be, why is it necessary to project some mystical quality onto them in order to appreciate them?
That you appreciate them is mystical enough given that it is an illusion.
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BB_snickers: That you appreciate them is mystical enough given that it is an illusion.
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Selenite:
Yes!! Everything you describe I've seen over the last 14 years since first meeting people involved in its "study"!!
The misinterpreting what was meant to "fit" their own ego lead agenda was probably the more uncomfortable one to witness... And yes I agree, the "walk" of ACIM is a rather saintly one. I wasn't prepared to be saintly enough
Yep, I'm not sure that I am either. I keep referring back to the point of actually being here in this ethereal mind drop and that I think or prefer to think that there's a good reason in pursuing the physical nature of this as it brings about an evolution that just thinking about it or talking about it cannot do.Yes!! Everything you describe I've seen over the last 14 years since first meeting people involved in its "study"!!
The misinterpreting what was meant to "fit" their own ego lead agenda was probably the more uncomfortable one to witness... And yes I agree, the "walk" of ACIM is a rather saintly one. I wasn't prepared to be saintly enough
Realistically one can talk all they want about an experience but the only way to know it is to have it.
Selenite:
Sure, any time if I can help ...
Thank you. I will pm you once I have figured out just exactly what I'd like assistance with or maybe it'll just come to me without figuring . Sure, any time if I can help ...
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ChesneyChrist: Monogamy is when you work out who you like best and pretend not to like anyone else. It's for the sake of civilization.
Having too much fun with life meant that people were less concerned with the BS trappings of a church run government.The original purpose of marriage aside from enforcing monogamy, or so I have read was that they had to come up with a way to deal with property and assets legally when divorce happened and legal aka gov. endorsed marriage/divorce was the answer.
Of course then the 'church' decided to demonize divorce with countless guilt trips that said you could not divorce and you had to stay in the misery and deny any liking for all other people.
The church is largely responsible for a lot of the fear run government edicts that we live by without questioning, even today.
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