What is the difference? (371)
Circlip: There has been some discussion here of meditation, enlightenment and various other related things that are all pretty much a closed book to me. While I'm quite sure that is not the right path for me, I am nevertheless curious where it leads those who do go down it.
What I would really like to know is, in what way does an enlightened person (correct me If my terminology is wrong) experience the wold, that is different to how a non-enlightened one experiences it?
You'd have to ask an enlightened person, but you won't find one on here.What I would really like to know is, in what way does an enlightened person (correct me If my terminology is wrong) experience the wold, that is different to how a non-enlightened one experiences it?
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bodleing2: You'd have to ask an enlightened person, but you won't find one on here.
Well maybe I haven't worded the question very well.People have said, and certainly implied, that meditation, for example, is life changing. You, yourself, have said it. Not just meditation, there seems to be an array of elements to this thing that I am struggling to find a name for that will enable my question to be understood.
Even if you don't feel able to describe yourself as enlightened, you must know what you are hoping to gain by achieving that state.
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Circlip: Well maybe I haven't worded the question very well.
People have said, and certainly implied, that meditation, for example, is life changing. You, yourself, have said it. Not just meditation, there seems to be an array of elements to this thing that I am struggling to find a name for that will enable my question to be understood.
Even if you don't feel able to describe yourself as enlightened, you must know what you are hoping to gain by achieving that state.
I guess the term you're looking for is 'spiritually aware' enlightened is another thing altogether. One of the differences between being spiritually aware and being religeous is unlike many religeous people we dont try to convert.People have said, and certainly implied, that meditation, for example, is life changing. You, yourself, have said it. Not just meditation, there seems to be an array of elements to this thing that I am struggling to find a name for that will enable my question to be understood.
Even if you don't feel able to describe yourself as enlightened, you must know what you are hoping to gain by achieving that state.
I believe everone is a spiritual being but not all are aware that they are. Maybe one day you might become aware, in fact I think given your apparent interest, you may have already started off on that journey without even realising it, sometimes that's how it happens.
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bodleing2: I guess the term you're looking for is 'spiritually aware' .
Thanks, bod, I'll try again. 
In what way does a spiritually aware person experience the wold, that is different to how a non-spiritually aware one experiences it?
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Circlip: Thanks, bod, I'll try again.
In what way does a spiritually aware person experience the wold, that is different to how a non-spiritually aware one experiences it?
That is a question that doesn't have an answer in a conventional way.In what way does a spiritually aware person experience the wold, that is different to how a non-spiritually aware one experiences it?
You really have to do your own searching if you really want to find out.
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Circlip: There has been some discussion here of meditation, enlightenment and various other related things that are all pretty much a closed book to me. While I'm quite sure that is not the right path for me, I am nevertheless curious where it leads those who do go down it.
What I would really like to know is, in what way does an enlightened person (correct me If my terminology is wrong) experience the wold, that is different to how a non-enlightened one experiences it?
It is a little difficult to explain the idea of "from a higher perspective" to those who haven't considered their physical lives as an illusion and or in reality being spirit and having an experience with a human body as a device of getting around in the illusion.What I would really like to know is, in what way does an enlightened person (correct me If my terminology is wrong) experience the wold, that is different to how a non-enlightened one experiences it?
Think about a video game with all the characters. The real controller of those characters is outside the events of what happens in the journey of those characters. That controller is you, using the controller and the rules of that game. You are the higher perspective for that character. The character is a simple device to facilitate a goal or several goals.
The real you is not the character. The real you is spirit. The character, the body is not you. Hard to grasp I know. The body responds to the mind, which is also not part of the body.
What is for you personally comes to you in divine timing. In fact whatever comes to you in life is for you, never against you. So whatever path you choose or think is for you will simply show up. You seriously can't get it wrong.
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Circlip: Thanks, bod, I'll try again.
In what way does a spiritually aware person experience the wold, that is different to how a non-spiritually aware one experiences it?
Most humans experience the world from a physical and ego perspective, more or less controlled by their fears and ego wants. This idea is generally fraught with fighting and control issues in relationshipsIn what way does a spiritually aware person experience the wold, that is different to how a non-spiritually aware one experiences it?
Progressed (more aware) spiritual people experience the world from a perspective of spirit/god/source etc, not as part of the body or physical world; but as part of the oneness of all. How far one is on a spiritual journey varies and is dependant on that entity alone through it's experiences and devotion. You can be devoted to the physical and or the spirit in varying degrees.
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Circlip: There has been some discussion here of meditation, enlightenment and various other related things that are all pretty much a closed book to me. While I'm quite sure that is not the right path for me, I am nevertheless curious where it leads those who do go down it.
What I would really like to know is, in what way does an enlightened person (correct me If my terminology is wrong) experience the wold, that is different to how a non-enlightened one experiences it?
Treat a man like an animal and he'll behave like a.. saint. What goes in is not what comes out. I don't know how much of this is real. A lot of it has something to do with the cosmic money energy that flows towards you after your parents die. Inheritance and insurance. What I would really like to know is, in what way does an enlightened person (correct me If my terminology is wrong) experience the wold, that is different to how a non-enlightened one experiences it?
Religion is different to spirituality. Religion is more of a we, deep relationships with other people because you're not insured. You're not going to get very far alone in contrast to the advance to Mayfair after your parents die.
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bodleing2: You'd have to ask an enlightened person, but you won't find one on here.
Meet Bodleign everyone, our self appointed spokesman...
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BB_snickers: Most humans experience the world from a physical and ego perspective, more or less controlled by their fears and ego wants. This idea is generally fraught with fighting and control issues in relationships
Progressed (more aware) spiritual people experience the world from a perspective of spirit/god/source etc, not as part of the body or physical world; but as part of the oneness of all. How far one is on a spiritual journey varies and is dependant on that entity alone through it's experiences and devotion. You can be devoted to the physical and or the spirit in varying degrees.
Okay, but when you are spiritually aware, does the sun shine more often, does coffee taste nicer, will my bike get fewer punctures? What difference would it make other than change the way I look at things, and how do I know that would be better than the way I already look at them? I'm having a lot of difficulty in understanding what the benefits of being spiritually aware are.Progressed (more aware) spiritual people experience the world from a perspective of spirit/god/source etc, not as part of the body or physical world; but as part of the oneness of all. How far one is on a spiritual journey varies and is dependant on that entity alone through it's experiences and devotion. You can be devoted to the physical and or the spirit in varying degrees.
I'm not asking the question because I'm looking for an argument, and I'm not asking because I'm tempted to try it; it is pure curiosity, which I hope no one will see as a frivolous reason for wanting to know.
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At bottom I think spiritualism is an untroubled state sort of like a cat. You could lose a leg and the following day there is almost no ill-feeling.
Now that could go either way. Angel or devil. A baby throwing up on you with almost no ill-feeling towards the baby, or the act of murdering your enemies with neither guilt nor merriment. Just a clean kill.
Now that could go either way. Angel or devil. A baby throwing up on you with almost no ill-feeling towards the baby, or the act of murdering your enemies with neither guilt nor merriment. Just a clean kill.
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blathin: Meet Bodleign everyone, our self appointed spokesman...
After all these years I don't think I need any introduction, but thanks anyway.
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blathin:
Mediation certainly has it's benefits, especially if someone suffers anxiety etc etc..it calms the mind...
I have actually attempted meditation, although it was quite some time ago. I'm sure I must have been going about it wrong, and I don't suppose I really knew what I was trying to achieve by it, but I found the experience incredibly irritating. It made my nerves jangle. I can only conclude that it doesn't work for everybody.Mediation certainly has it's benefits, especially if someone suffers anxiety etc etc..it calms the mind...
blathin:
The realisation that you are totally trapped inside yourself and your own head with only your senses as very small windows to the outside world..Think about it long enough and you'll probably eperience the horrors and/or go insane
I don't find horror in the realisation, but there is a certain amount of claustrophobia if, as you say, you dwell on it too deeply.The realisation that you are totally trapped inside yourself and your own head with only your senses as very small windows to the outside world..Think about it long enough and you'll probably eperience the horrors and/or go insane
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Circlip: I have actually attempted meditation, although it was quite some time ago. I'm sure I must have been going about it wrong, and I don't suppose I really knew what I was trying to achieve by it, but I found the experience incredibly irritating. It made my nerves jangle. I can only conclude that it doesn't work for everybody.
I don't find horror in the realisation, but there is a certain amount of claustrophobia if, as you say, you dwell on it too deeply.
If it made youre nerves jangle, it was doing somthing.I don't find horror in the realisation, but there is a certain amount of claustrophobia if, as you say, you dwell on it too deeply.
I'm sure we've talked about this before, but it will work for you but it takes time and effort.
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bodleing2: After all these years I don't think I need any introduction, but thanks anyway.
Not everyone knows you've appointed yourself CS spokesman....and not everyone's been here for twenty years either...or ten...or even five...
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bodleing2:
You really have to do your own searching if you really want to find out.
I think I am doing my own searching, but it hasn't taken me in the same direction as yours must have taken you.You really have to do your own searching if you really want to find out.
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Circlip: I have actually attempted meditation, although it was quite some time ago. I'm sure I must have been going about it wrong, and I don't suppose I really knew what I was trying to achieve by it, but I found the experience incredibly irritating. It made my nerves jangle. I can only conclude that it doesn't work for everybody.
I don't find horror in the realisation, but there is a certain amount of claustrophobia if, as you say, you dwell on it too deeply.
You don't? I wonder if you haven't really gotten into it too deep then...I don't find horror in the realisation, but there is a certain amount of claustrophobia if, as you say, you dwell on it too deeply.
See this is why conversation is good...claustrophobia is a good word to describe it...
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blathin: Not everyone knows you've appointed yourself CS spokesman....and not everyone's been here for twenty years either...or ten...or even five...
Dont exaggerat VB, it's only 15.
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Circlip: There has been some discussion here of meditation, enlightenment and various other related things that are all pretty much a closed book to me. While I'm quite sure that is not the right path for me, I am nevertheless curious where it leads those who do go down it.
What I would really like to know is, in what way does an enlightened person (correct me If my terminology is wrong) experience the wold, that is different to how a non-enlightened one experiences it?
There was a unique era from just pre- Victorian to around The Great Depression where terms such as “The Age Of Enlightenment” and Paranormal Spiritualism” were household catch-phrases. Seances, palm- reading, Tarot, crystal-ball reading were all the rage. Then, “Revival Meetings” (see “ Elmer Gantry”) swept the nation with a smoking hot fever. An experienced ‘ enlightened’ individual sees him or her self as being capable of foreseeing, to a point, the future, and/or at least geared to navigate it. And, they’ll share this knowledge—for some dough- ray-me…of corse. (I was invited to attend a “ wonderful” church in Portland, and found the initial services to be positive, happy, friendly. Going through a rough emotional patch, I went to see their minister, or one of their ministers. When seated in this “enlightened” pastor’s office, he began, “Please look over this fee schedule. If you want to apply for a sliding-scale program, please see our administrative assistant”. I went to the pub and perked up for three bucks. What I would really like to know is, in what way does an enlightened person (correct me If my terminology is wrong) experience the wold, that is different to how a non-enlightened one experiences it?
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What I would really like to know is, in what way does an enlightened person (correct me If my terminology is wrong) experience the wold, that is different to how a non-enlightened one experiences it?