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Jan 17, 2008 11:13 AM CST Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
Nostradamus was one of the early astrologers. He among other things predicted the moment of his death. Astrology is a very complex study and it is said that you if included the time it took him to learn to make predictions, that he spent about 2 years just to learn about that one split second when he would pass on. remove the time it took him to learn to make calculations and that time becomes about one hour. A lot of time spent still, to learn about one second of life. (death actually)

His books have been translated and read about as much as any major book has. When world events reach a crissis, such as 911, websites regarding Nostradamus and his predictions get more hits than you can shake a stick at.

Are his predictions true?

Do they have any value in a society looking for answers?
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Jan 17, 2008 11:27 AM CST Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?
shipoker55
shipoker55shipoker55St. Petersburg, Florida USA211 Threads 2 Polls 9,362 Posts
Nostradamus.....much ado about nothing!!
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Jan 17, 2008 11:36 AM CST Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
shipoker55: Nostradamus.....much ado about nothing!!


rolling on the floor laughing he spent a whole lot of time(almost his whole life) ado-ing about nothing then?
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Jan 17, 2008 11:41 AM CST Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?
shipoker55
shipoker55shipoker55St. Petersburg, Florida USA211 Threads 2 Polls 9,362 Posts
he and I have a lot in common!!grin
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Jan 17, 2008 11:42 AM CST Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
shipoker55: he and I have a lot in common!!


rolling on the floor laughing
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Jan 17, 2008 1:42 PM CST Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?
riyablossom
riyablossomriyablossomsomewhere, Pennsylvania USA184 Threads 18 Polls 11,244 Posts
Hi Al !!!

One of my fav reading topics " nostradarmus "

Simply fascinating for a man to know and predict with confidence .

My friend studied astrology in his spare time and learnt how to read birth charts. He believes it is definitely a science with great potential for prediction. Even that the planetary positions to a large extent determine the nature and many other life events for a person.
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Jan 17, 2008 1:42 PM CST Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?
Claayer
ClaayerClaayerWild Wild South West, Cornwall, England UK107 Threads 9 Polls 15,888 Posts
shipoker55: he and I have a lot in common!!


haha! laugh
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Jan 17, 2008 1:46 PM CST Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?
riyablossom
riyablossomriyablossomsomewhere, Pennsylvania USA184 Threads 18 Polls 11,244 Posts
This reminded me.. It would fascinate some people while make others feel uncomfy, but , the trend today is designer babies !!!

I mean , people who believe in astrology and strong influence of the charts on a mans life have begun to decide the time for delivery of their baby so that the baby is born under the most favorable planetry influences.

dunno
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Jan 17, 2008 1:53 PM CST Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?
diogenes
diogenesdiogenesLongview, Texas USA69 Threads 7 Polls 4,761 Posts
I'd say.....undecided regarding Nostradamus. Critics insist that his quatrains were so vague that it was easy to assign them to whatever contemporary or future event. I think that critics are often over critical.


I have been more impressed recently with the "predictions" of a man who is said to be the most profound psychic mind of the 20th century. I'm referring to Edgar Cayce. Ever heard of him?
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Jan 17, 2008 1:54 PM CST Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
riyablossom: Hi Al !!!

One of my fav reading topics " nostradarmus "

Simply fascinating for a man to know and predict with confidence .

My friend studied astrology in his spare time and learnt how to read birth charts. He believes it is definitely a science with great potential for prediction. Even that the planetary positions to a large extent determine the nature and many other life events for a person.


It is a very complicated science to even figure out one single event, very time consuming. To calcualte 12 planets, compare your birth chart, then all the angles as well as a number of nodes and mid heavens, it is extremely complex.

The problem with Nostradamus is that his quatrains were written in older dialects and the translations are somewhat cryptic .. I think he knew what he meant when he wrote them, but there is something that makes it misunderstandable.

A lot of debunkers say that you can find any prediction after its event, go back and say, see Nostradamus predicted that... and I think that is true.. which sometimes cause me to think why did he do it this way? A man able to predict his own death time without doubt, but not be able to produce dates for future events, unless he did not look for dates, just for events? Did he lack some knowledge that would give him time frames for his predictions at the very least? If he knew those time frames why would he not include them and instead only provide character or event descriptions?

very curious.
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Jan 17, 2008 1:56 PM CST Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?
riyablossom
riyablossomriyablossomsomewhere, Pennsylvania USA184 Threads 18 Polls 11,244 Posts
ohh yes .. have read about him esp. wrt. Astral travel , color therap and the astral and aural stuff.

His predictions i havent really paid attention to.

But with Nostradarmus , i believe they say the script language when translated can become ambigious in interpretation. Also , that the time pattern he used as you mention isnt directly applicable to present times. Not sure really ..
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Jan 17, 2008 1:56 PM CST Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
In response to: I have been more impressed recently with the "predictions" of a man who is said to be the most profound psychic mind of the 20th century. I'm referring to Edgar Cayce. Ever heard of him?


yep, the aura reader, of course though I have only read about reading auras for medical diagnosis and treatment. I was not aware he produced predictions though.
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Jan 17, 2008 1:58 PM CST Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?
riyablossom
riyablossomriyablossomsomewhere, Pennsylvania USA184 Threads 18 Polls 11,244 Posts
Ahhhh I have read that part Al !!

And also that he was under the influence of ' spirits " apparently when he made the predictions. He was in to Black magic they say.

The predictions are fairly accurate if you backtrace except the timing which i guess we dont understand entirely.
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Jan 17, 2008 2:03 PM CST Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
riyablossom: This reminded me.. It would fascinate some people while make others feel uncomfy, but , the trend today is designer babies !!!

I mean , people who believe in astrology and strong influence of the charts on a mans life have begun to decide the time for delivery of their baby so that the baby is born under the most favorable planetry influences.


wow well I guess its not so inconcieveable, since doctors regularily perform C-sections or induce the woman when it suits thier schedule ...
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Jan 17, 2008 2:03 PM CST Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?
constanza
constanzaconstanzaLA, California USA28 Threads 1 Polls 5,159 Posts
BnaturAl: Nostradamus was one of the early astrologers. He among other things predicted the moment of his death. Astrology is a very complex study and it is said that you if included the time it took him to learn to make predictions, that he spent about 2 years just to learn about that one split second when he would pass on. remove the time it took him to learn to make calculations and that time becomes about one hour. A lot of time spent still, to learn about one second of life. (death actually)

His books have been translated and read about as much as any major book has. When world events reach a crissis, such as 911, websites regarding Nostradamus and his predictions get more hits than you can shake a stick at.

Are his predictions true?

Do they have any value in a society looking for answers?



He was no fool, but he was human; I put my trust in God.
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Jan 17, 2008 2:09 PM CST Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
riyablossom: Ahhhh I have read that part Al !!

And also that he was under the influence of ' spirits " apparently when he made the predictions. He was in to Black magic they say.

The predictions are fairly accurate if you backtrace except the timing which i guess we dont understand entirely.


Well that sort of makes sense. I am not up on my history well enough to guess what the times were like then, about how people felt about such things .. I know they burned witches in some places and such but when Nostradamus was doing his thing?
It would make sense then if he was said to be into black magic, to comporte himself in this manner as well. possible, but just conjecture on my part. Witches today comporte themselves differently as do astrologers of today as well.
Perhaps time was of no concern to him? Perhaps his quatrains were written as a 'black magic artist would write them'?
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Jan 17, 2008 2:13 PM CST Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?
riyablossom
riyablossomriyablossomsomewhere, Pennsylvania USA184 Threads 18 Polls 11,244 Posts
BnaturAl: well I guess its not so inconcieveable, since doctors regularily perform C-sections or induce the woman when it suits thier schedule ...


Yes !!!

But i am against C- section to suit the need . I know its a personal choice and the reason here i believe is " for their child " but am not totally happy with the idea.

Around the time of delivery ( expected ) or even after safe viable period is crossed , people consult their doctors and astrologers alike and come to a consensus regarding the date. If all goes well ... Cs section on scheduled time !!!

uh oh
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Jan 17, 2008 2:14 PM CST Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?
riyablossom
riyablossomriyablossomsomewhere, Pennsylvania USA184 Threads 18 Polls 11,244 Posts
riyablossom: ohh yes .. have read about him esp. wrt. Astral travel , color therap and the astral and aural stuff.

His predictions i havent really paid attention to.

But with Nostradarmus , i believe they say the script language when translated can become ambigious in interpretation. Also , that the time pattern he used as you mention isnt directly applicable to present times. Not sure really ..


Sorry forgot to quote.. this reply was to diogenes post.
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Jan 17, 2008 2:15 PM CST Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
riyablossom: Yes !!!
But i am against C- section to suit the need . I know its a personal choice and the reason here i believe is " for their child " but am not totally happy with the idea.
Around the time of delivery ( expected ) or even after safe viable period is crossed , people consult their doctors and astrologers alike and come to a consensus regarding the date. If all goes well ... Cs section on scheduled time !!!


hmmm man playing god .. this could become another god thread! ... mumbling frustrated
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Jan 17, 2008 2:16 PM CST Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?
riyablossom
riyablossomriyablossomsomewhere, Pennsylvania USA184 Threads 18 Polls 11,244 Posts
BnaturAl: Well that sort of makes sense. I am not up on my history well enough to guess what the times were like then, about how people felt about such things .. I know they burned witches in some places and such but when Nostradamus was doing his thing?
It would make sense then if he was said to be into black magic, to comporte himself in this manner as well. possible, but just conjecture on my part. Witches today comporte themselves differently as do astrologers of today as well.
Perhaps time was of no concern to him? Perhaps his quatrains were written as a 'black magic artist would write them'?


hmm... further translating his writings is painstaking !!

I am sure you are aware of some book written by him which lay with his grandson all the while and was translated and published recently.
I read this on the net.

Uhh.. It had predictions to do with world war III in particular and events then on.
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