why do people really believe that there's a god watching over six billion people on planet earth ? (50)
gillyloves69london, Greater London, England UK1,533 Threads 7 Polls 7,359 Postslets start being honest with one another !
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and the mongrel is laughing at us destroying our world and ourselves.
how else did the world come to be, as with us?
how else did the world come to be, as with us?
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thequietone: and the mongrel is laughing at us destroying our world and ourselves.
how else did the world come to be, as with us?
how else did the world come to be, as with us?
nobody knows with any certainty how the world or any of us came to be and any intelligent person would agree on this point - we do not know.
Theism is a different matter and in my opinion, is a grandiloquent attempt to control the masses. It is divisive of people in the extreme and simply diverts the attention from the gross atrocities which daily assault our senses.
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Oh no...not another god thread
Hi Trish...go get em girl
Hi Trish...go get em girl
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I have made an effort not to go into any God threads, but maybe if I sneak in using purple, it will be okay....Why do people believe that? Do you have kids? We are all His children, and if you are a good parent, you watch what your children do. He's a good parent....
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bodleing: Oh no...not another god thread
Hi Trish...go get em girl
Hi Trish...go get em girl
Hi Gra I have actually been trying to stay away from the God stuff - cant promise anything mind you
The one I have been on today we were talking about artwork and a really nice piccie that Conrad posted.This was a good question from Gilly and I simply thought to help his thread on the way
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trish123: nobody knows with any certainty how the world or any of us came to be and any intelligent person would agree on this point - we do not know.
Theism is a different matter and in my opinion, is a grandiloquent attempt to control the masses. It is divisive of people in the extreme and simply diverts the attention from the gross atrocities which daily assault our senses.
Theism is a different matter and in my opinion, is a grandiloquent attempt to control the masses. It is divisive of people in the extreme and simply diverts the attention from the gross atrocities which daily assault our senses.
Well put. Now it's a little early but I'm going to get some popcorn...
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Hey Gilly! Is there really only 6 billion people on the earth?
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howboutu: Hey Gilly! Is there really only 6 billion people on the earth?
ssshhhh...he may lose count....I don't think he's finished yet....
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gillyloves69: lets start being honest with one another !
First let me say that there is a difference between believing and knowing.
You can believe there is a God because someone that you trust tells you there is one, or because you read or hear convincing evidence to the fact. This is simply "head knowledge". You can always choose to change your mind and decide, I choose not to believe this anymore. This is why Religion and Theology produce no life.
To Know something is to Experience it.
When you experience the presence of God, you gain the experience of that reality. Then, you Know.
The problem with Religion and many of it's teachings, is that the introduction of the experience, is left out, as many of the teachers and preachers themselves, have never experienced the presence of God.
There are millions who DO experience the presence of God, who truely Know God and spend time with Him, receiving instruction throughout the day, sharing Joy, love, and every part of their life with Him.
If you do not Know God on a personal basis, I would suggest either talking with someone who does, and shows evidence of this in their life, (they operate with unconditional love). Or just take yourself to a quiet place where you are alone, and say, "God, I do not know if you are real, but I do want to know. Would you reveal yourself to me in a way that I may know you?" Just say what is on your heart. He will do it. You will have a personal experience, then you will know. He says, "Be still... and know... that I am God."
Yes, there is a God, and it thrills Him to no end, to share experiences with six billion, or an unlimited count of people, who truely want to have a relationship with Him. He is our helper, healer, provider, savior, deliverer and so much more. Most of all... God is LOVE! And He wants to share that love with YOU!
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howboutu: Hey Gilly! Is there really only 6 billion people on the earth?
I thought there was that many in India!!
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HealthyLiving: First let me say that there is a difference between believing and knowing.
You can believe there is a God because someone that you trust tells you there is one, or because you read or hear convincing evidence to the fact. This is simply "head knowledge". You can always choose to change your mind and decide, I choose not to believe this anymore. This is why Religion and Theology produce no life.
To Know something is to Experience it.
When you experience the presence of God, you gain the experience of that reality. Then, you Know.
The problem with Religion and many of it's teachings, is that the introduction of the experience, is left out, as many of the teachers and preachers themselves, have never experienced the presence of God.
There are millions who DO experience the presence of God, who truely Know God and spend time with Him, receiving instruction throughout the day, sharing Joy, love, and every part of their life with Him.
If you do not Know God on a personal basis, I would suggest either talking with someone who does, and shows evidence of this in their life, (they operate with unconditional love). Or just take yourself to a quiet place where you are alone, and say, "God, I do not know if you are real, but I do want to know. Would you reveal yourself to me in a way that I may know you?" Just say what is on your heart. He will do it. You will have a personal experience, then you will know. He says, "Be still... and know... that I am God."
Yes, there is a God, and it thrills Him to no end, to share experiences with six billion, or an unlimited count of people, who truely want to have a relationship with Him. He is our helper, healer, provider, savior, deliverer and so much more. Most of all... God is LOVE! And He wants to share that love with YOU!
You can believe there is a God because someone that you trust tells you there is one, or because you read or hear convincing evidence to the fact. This is simply "head knowledge". You can always choose to change your mind and decide, I choose not to believe this anymore. This is why Religion and Theology produce no life.
To Know something is to Experience it.
When you experience the presence of God, you gain the experience of that reality. Then, you Know.
The problem with Religion and many of it's teachings, is that the introduction of the experience, is left out, as many of the teachers and preachers themselves, have never experienced the presence of God.
There are millions who DO experience the presence of God, who truely Know God and spend time with Him, receiving instruction throughout the day, sharing Joy, love, and every part of their life with Him.
If you do not Know God on a personal basis, I would suggest either talking with someone who does, and shows evidence of this in their life, (they operate with unconditional love). Or just take yourself to a quiet place where you are alone, and say, "God, I do not know if you are real, but I do want to know. Would you reveal yourself to me in a way that I may know you?" Just say what is on your heart. He will do it. You will have a personal experience, then you will know. He says, "Be still... and know... that I am God."
Yes, there is a God, and it thrills Him to no end, to share experiences with six billion, or an unlimited count of people, who truely want to have a relationship with Him. He is our helper, healer, provider, savior, deliverer and so much more. Most of all... God is LOVE! And He wants to share that love with YOU!
Your experiences are subjective, you had them and they are your reality - I greatly respect this.
My reality is vastly different and I have no need to be convinced to accept your reality as my own - a growing trend in society Im happy to observe - except maybe in some third world countries where they are still buying the natives off with beads and whiskey - oh, and primitive apologetics
Do you assume that because we dont believe in your way, that we are not capable of things like understanding or of unconditional love or that we havent already taken ourselves to a quiet place to figure out how we think - cos thats sure how what you are saying comes across and I for one find it pedantic in the extreme.
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I too have seen God and it is absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with brainwashed sheeple -
it is the entireness of everything and judges nor excludes anything, it is light and beauty and understanding and incorruptible - it is infinity - it is unbroken and whole - with continuing mysteries and wonders to unravel - ever renewing
it is not a load of rich perverts in pulpits telling us how to live our lives and think our thoughts - and stand in judgment of those who think differently - it never exhorts people to smite and kill or read only its book - it is self evident and needs no book
it is all and everything
it is not devisive
it is the entireness of everything and judges nor excludes anything, it is light and beauty and understanding and incorruptible - it is infinity - it is unbroken and whole - with continuing mysteries and wonders to unravel - ever renewing
it is not a load of rich perverts in pulpits telling us how to live our lives and think our thoughts - and stand in judgment of those who think differently - it never exhorts people to smite and kill or read only its book - it is self evident and needs no book
it is all and everything
it is not devisive
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trish123: Your experiences are subjective, you had them and they are your reality - I greatly respect this.
My reality is vastly different and I have no need to be convinced to accept your reality as my own - a growing trend in society Im happy to observe - except maybe in some third world countries where they are still buying the natives off with beads and whiskey - oh, and primitive apologetics
Do you assume that because we dont believe in your way, that we are not capable of things like understanding or of unconditional love or that we havent already taken ourselves to a quiet place to figure out how we think - cos thats sure how what you are saying comes across and I for one find it pedantic in the extreme.
My reality is vastly different and I have no need to be convinced to accept your reality as my own - a growing trend in society Im happy to observe - except maybe in some third world countries where they are still buying the natives off with beads and whiskey - oh, and primitive apologetics
Do you assume that because we dont believe in your way, that we are not capable of things like understanding or of unconditional love or that we havent already taken ourselves to a quiet place to figure out how we think - cos thats sure how what you are saying comes across and I for one find it pedantic in the extreme.
So many religious threads, so little time. I thought about getting popcorn for this one and have a beer with tamp, but Before I begin my atheistc banter, can I get one request fulfilled?
If a question is asked, can there be a logical answer without producing invisible faith from a hat?
In another post I tried this, but radical Christians tip toe around logical questions. They are afraid of wavering from their own beliefs.
Most of the posters I have come across, seem to be very educated. So if you were to go back toschool, and say take a Chemistry class, do you put "Plutonium is on the Periodic chart of the elements because my teacher said so." No, you don't. Pllutonium exists. Found by logical thinking and the scientific method. So can we for once approach a religious thread with an open-logical mind, or not?
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trish123: Your experiences are subjective, you had them and they are your reality - I greatly respect this.
My reality is vastly different and I have no need to be convinced to accept your reality as my own - a growing trend in society Im happy to observe - except maybe in some third world countries where they are still buying the natives off with beads and whiskey - oh, and primitive apologetics
Do you assume that because we dont believe in your way, that we are not capable of things like understanding or of unconditional love or that we havent already taken ourselves to a quiet place to figure out how we think - cos thats sure how what you are saying comes across and I for one find it pedantic in the extreme.
My reality is vastly different and I have no need to be convinced to accept your reality as my own - a growing trend in society Im happy to observe - except maybe in some third world countries where they are still buying the natives off with beads and whiskey - oh, and primitive apologetics
Do you assume that because we dont believe in your way, that we are not capable of things like understanding or of unconditional love or that we havent already taken ourselves to a quiet place to figure out how we think - cos thats sure how what you are saying comes across and I for one find it pedantic in the extreme.
Trish dear,
I do not ask you to believe in "my way", I spoke against religion and it's teachings.
I encourage all to know God personally. He meets with each individual in different places, in a way that he can speak with each on their own level of understanding. He does it differently with each person.
For instance... When I see a blue heron, in flight on the lake. I am receiving a smile and a hug from God and a knowing that He loves me. It is an experience we have come to share. It is our personal "thing". To another, it may have no meaning at all. He speaks to us all in His own way and it means something different to each individual. That's what is so cool about God.
I encourage you and others to spend time in quiet meditation. It brings clarity of mind, instruction, and peace. I am sharing that there is so much more, deeper levels you can go to. There is no "right way or wrong way". Whatever works for you. There is "life" in quietness, in the stillness. Religion is dead.
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I know there are door to door sales people that truly believe their brand is better than the rest.
Next time I'll answer the door with no pants on and see what they have to say then.
HOLY ****
Next time I'll answer the door with no pants on and see what they have to say then.
HOLY ****
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HealthyLiving: Trish dear,
I do not ask you to believe in "my way", I spoke against religion and it's teachings.
I encourage all to know God personally. He meets with each individual in different places, in a way that he can speak with each on their own level of understanding. He does it differently with each person.
For instance... When I see a blue heron, in flight on the lake. I am receiving a smile and a hug from God and a knowing that He loves me. It is an experience we have come to share. It is our personal "thing". To another, it may have no meaning at all. He speaks to us all in His own way and it means something different to each individual. That's what is so cool about God.
I encourage you and others to spend time in quiet meditation. It brings clarity of mind, instruction, and peace. I am sharing that there is so much more, deeper levels you can go to. There is no "right way or wrong way". Whatever works for you. There is "life" in quietness, in the stillness. Religion is dead.
I do not ask you to believe in "my way", I spoke against religion and it's teachings.
I encourage all to know God personally. He meets with each individual in different places, in a way that he can speak with each on their own level of understanding. He does it differently with each person.
For instance... When I see a blue heron, in flight on the lake. I am receiving a smile and a hug from God and a knowing that He loves me. It is an experience we have come to share. It is our personal "thing". To another, it may have no meaning at all. He speaks to us all in His own way and it means something different to each individual. That's what is so cool about God.
I encourage you and others to spend time in quiet meditation. It brings clarity of mind, instruction, and peace. I am sharing that there is so much more, deeper levels you can go to. There is no "right way or wrong way". Whatever works for you. There is "life" in quietness, in the stillness. Religion is dead.
The concept of God is what is dead and to perpetuate it by refering to natures beauties this way brings misunderstanding.
My life is spent almost entirely in contemplation yet somehow you still assume I have never done this - I find this a very Christian trait yet you claim religion is dead
I daily admire the herons in my garden tooNobody is disputing that everybody has their own way of understanding but to assume that it is god who hosts the show - sorry - if you want me to understand you better then maybe you should stop using outmoded concepts
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HealthyLiving: First let me say that there is a difference between believing and knowing.
You can believe there is a God because someone that you trust tells you there is one, or because you read or hear convincing evidence to the fact. This is simply "head knowledge". You can always choose to change your mind and decide, I choose not to believe this anymore. This is why Religion and Theology produce no life.
To Know something is to Experience it.
When you experience the presence of God, you gain the experience of that reality. Then, you Know.
The problem with Religion and many of it's teachings, is that the introduction of the experience, is left out, as many of the teachers and preachers themselves, have never experienced the presence of God.
There are millions who DO experience the presence of God, who truely Know God and spend time with Him, receiving instruction throughout the day, sharing Joy, love, and every part of their life with Him.
If you do not Know God on a personal basis, I would suggest either talking with someone who does, and shows evidence of this in their life, (they operate with unconditional love). Or just take yourself to a quiet place where you are alone, and say, "God, I do not know if you are real, but I do want to know. Would you reveal yourself to me in a way that I may know you?" Just say what is on your heart. He will do it. You will have a personal experience, then you will know. He says, "Be still... and know... that I am God."
Yes, there is a God, and it thrills Him to no end, to share experiences with six billion, or an unlimited count of people, who truely want to have a relationship with Him. He is our helper, healer, provider, savior, deliverer and so much more. Most of all... God is LOVE! And He wants to share that love with YOU!
You can believe there is a God because someone that you trust tells you there is one, or because you read or hear convincing evidence to the fact. This is simply "head knowledge". You can always choose to change your mind and decide, I choose not to believe this anymore. This is why Religion and Theology produce no life.
To Know something is to Experience it.
When you experience the presence of God, you gain the experience of that reality. Then, you Know.
The problem with Religion and many of it's teachings, is that the introduction of the experience, is left out, as many of the teachers and preachers themselves, have never experienced the presence of God.
There are millions who DO experience the presence of God, who truely Know God and spend time with Him, receiving instruction throughout the day, sharing Joy, love, and every part of their life with Him.
If you do not Know God on a personal basis, I would suggest either talking with someone who does, and shows evidence of this in their life, (they operate with unconditional love). Or just take yourself to a quiet place where you are alone, and say, "God, I do not know if you are real, but I do want to know. Would you reveal yourself to me in a way that I may know you?" Just say what is on your heart. He will do it. You will have a personal experience, then you will know. He says, "Be still... and know... that I am God."
Yes, there is a God, and it thrills Him to no end, to share experiences with six billion, or an unlimited count of people, who truely want to have a relationship with Him. He is our helper, healer, provider, savior, deliverer and so much more. Most of all... God is LOVE! And He wants to share that love with YOU!
Yes, you're right, there is a difference between believing and knowing.
However, to say you know of god's existance or know god on a personal basis is absurd! That is STILL BELIEVING, not knowing. Knowing is when God comes to your door and says, "Hi, HL, I'm God." and I'm pretty sure he hasn't done that to anyone. And I'm certain that yu don't have access to your own buring bush. So to say you know God is impossible.
Faith is believing in something unseen.
Knowing is seeing what was one invisible.
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kidatheart: I know there are door to door sales people that truly believe their brand is better than the rest.
Next time I'll answer the door with no pants on and see what they have to say then.
HOLY ****
Next time I'll answer the door with no pants on and see what they have to say then.
HOLY ****
haha - but I bet most of em are in it for the dosh
be careful about those pants - dont go getting arrested just to prove a point
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HealthyLiving: Trish dear,
I do not ask you to believe in "my way", I spoke against religion and it's teachings.
I encourage all to know God personally. He meets with each individual in different places, in a way that he can speak with each on their own level of understanding. He does it differently with each person.
For instance... When I see a blue heron, in flight on the lake. I am receiving a smile and a hug from God and a knowing that He loves me. It is an experience we have come to share. It is our personal "thing". To another, it may have no meaning at all. He speaks to us all in His own way and it means something different to each individual. That's what is so cool about God.
I encourage you and others to spend time in quiet meditation. It brings clarity of mind, instruction, and peace. I am sharing that there is so much more, deeper levels you can go to. There is no "right way or wrong way". Whatever works for you. There is "life" in quietness, in the stillness. Religion is dead.
I do not ask you to believe in "my way", I spoke against religion and it's teachings.
I encourage all to know God personally. He meets with each individual in different places, in a way that he can speak with each on their own level of understanding. He does it differently with each person.
For instance... When I see a blue heron, in flight on the lake. I am receiving a smile and a hug from God and a knowing that He loves me. It is an experience we have come to share. It is our personal "thing". To another, it may have no meaning at all. He speaks to us all in His own way and it means something different to each individual. That's what is so cool about God.
I encourage you and others to spend time in quiet meditation. It brings clarity of mind, instruction, and peace. I am sharing that there is so much more, deeper levels you can go to. There is no "right way or wrong way". Whatever works for you. There is "life" in quietness, in the stillness. Religion is dead.
When I see a blue Heron in flight on the lake, I think, "boy, I bet that tastes good fried in butter with some pasta and asparagus."
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