modernday_cowboy: I could stand Romney....much better than the other republicans.I didnt trust hilary either but she has changed my mind..Ihave watched every debate, I like both of them..
In my humble opinion, Romney is just another Bushlike politician. He is all corporate and has no idea how to relate to the "average" person.
modernday_cowboy: I never would have thought that I would even dream of voting for Hillary, But She and Obama are the best!!!! I mean Mccain?? Give me a break..!! Hillary and Obama actually Give a DAMN!!
I use to be Repulican mostly for the moral issues that evangelicals have, but I cant just vote on that anymore. There is so much more. Mccain thinks he is some WAR BADASS that will continue to police the world,,....while our own country people of middle to lower class suffer. I have lived in other Countries and I know how AWESOME it feels to have Health CARE!! and for no one to be homeless unless they chose to be. We can have the same here, and with Hilary or Obama we will have A much better country, A balanced Country, Not so bent on going to war...
I voted for Bush Both times, I look at him and think .... Was I a fool??? he is so Ignorant!!!VOte!!! for Hilary or Obama!!
Actually, I think Obama is more genuine and has more integrrity than Hillary by far. As far as on the Republican side I thibnk Huckabee is the most genuine.
Indyfella: You're expecting people to actually do some work and to also think. Damn, you demand a lot.
Hear are a few of the changes I think (but am 100% sure) she is for:
1) Dismantling or altering of the foreign wire tapping program of the NSA
It is the one intell gather means that really works. It gives up evidence and operations of the terror cells.
She sees it as a invasion of privacy on the American citizen. So she is either going to court regulate it some much that it will untimely intell or do away with it. Either way we become blind again.
2) Reduction of military spending. If she is going to bring new social services and national health insurance into the country. She has to find the money someplace. DoD budget is the biggests. The hatchet start there I think.
Let say we did not have terrorism and just had Nation States to consider. Both Russia and China have been doing vast military spending and military modernization programs. Yes, we have the edge right now. But cut DoD for a prolonged period of time. And you can lose it.
3) Negotiation vs active intervention of terrorism on foreign soils
This is just one of those gut level feelings, I have with Hillary. That with her withdrawl from Iraq also comes a hand off order to invene in foreign terrorism. I think that she feels we can talk with the government of a foriegn country and ask them to take care of the problem. Go to the Lebanon gov't and tell them Hamas is launching rockets into Isreal again. Ask them to end it.
I think that she is going to be very 'politically correct' about this. About invention in a foreign country where terrorism is sprouting up.
JMO would like to read others that have either heard or know her positions here.
TTom50: Hear are a few of the changes I think (but am 100% sure) she is for:
1) Dismantling or altering of the foreign wire tapping program of the NSA
It is the one intell gather means that really works. It gives up evidence and operations of the terror cells.
She sees it as a invasion of privacy on the American citizen. So she is either going to court regulate it some much that it will untimely intell or do away with it. Either way we become blind again.
2) Reduction of military spending. If she is going to bring new social services and national health insurance into the country. She has to find the money someplace. DoD budget is the biggests. The hatchet start there I think.
Let say we did not have terrorism and just had Nation States to consider. Both Russia and China have been doing vast military spending and military modernization programs. Yes, we have the edge right now. But cut DoD for a prolonged period of time. And you can lose it.
3) Negotiation vs active intervention of terrorism on foreign soils
This is just one of those gut level feelings, I have with Hillary. That with her withdrawl from Iraq also comes a hand off order to invene in foreign terrorism. I think that she feels we can talk with the government of a foriegn country and ask them to take care of the problem. Go to the Lebanon gov't and tell them Hamas is launching rockets into Isreal again. Ask them to end it.
I think that she is going to be very 'politically correct' about this. About invention in a foreign country where terrorism is sprouting up.
JMO would like to read others that have either heard or know her positions here.
Well, without a doubt, she did say she would be wearing the pant suites in the white house. We know that for sure. Besides, Bill never looked that good in them. So she's good on that policy.
Indyfella: Well, without a doubt, she did say she would be wearing the pant suites in the white house. We know that for sure. Besides, Bill never looked that good in them. So she's good on that policy.
Wonder if they make em a dark blue? Hmmm let us not go there.
Can you picture a General coming into the Oval office. Giving a debriefing of national security importance to her. At the end shes ask if he likes her pantsuit? To be a fly on the wall.
I Lived in Australia for 2 yrs. And have traveled alot of the world. In Australia they have combined a part Democratic government and PArt socialist, it is not perfect, but it does work! NO ONE IS HOMELESS unless they chose to be!! Everyone is taking care of! If they lose their job, ( FIRED,layed off, Quit) they dont have to worry about Unemployment running out!! they are taken care of! And the Citizens RUN the country, it is not controlled soley by the Government, I saw many protests that had a huge effect everytime they didn agree with something.
I know We ARE THE GREATEST COUNTRY hands down, but until more of see the rest of the world and really see how different types of Government can help, we should be careful for accepting what we have always been told is right!
We need Change!! I say First and formost stop POLICING THE REST OF THE WORLD AND TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN !! MOST OF THE POLICING IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF OIL COMPANIES ANYWAY, they control WAY to many decsions in this country. I am a former Marine, And I am a police officer now. I dont know everything but, as gentleman said earlier in this thread KNow what your person really stands for. VOTE!! DIG!!! Our country needs some critical things to happen over the next 4 yrs~!
modernday_cowboy: I Lived in Australia for 2 yrs. And have traveled alot of the world. In Australia they have combined a part Democratic government and PArt socialist, it is not perfect, but it does work! NO ONE IS HOMELESS unless they chose to be!! Everyone is taking care of! If they lose their job, ( FIRED,layed off, Quit) they dont have to worry about Unemployment running out!! they are taken care of! And the Citizens RUN the country, it is not controlled soley by the Government, I saw many protests that had a huge effect everytime they didn agree with something.
I know We ARE THE GREATEST COUNTRY hands down, but until more of see the rest of the world and really see how different types of Government can help, we should be careful for accepting what we have always been told is right!
We need Change!! I say First and formost stop POLICING THE REST OF THE WORLD AND TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN !! MOST OF THE POLICING IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF OIL COMPANIES ANYWAY, they control WAY to many decsions in this country. I am a former Marine, And I am a police officer now. I dont know everything but, as gentleman said earlier in this thread KNow what your person really stands for. VOTE!! DIG!!! Our country needs some critical things to happen over the next 4 yrs~!
Really great message! I wish more americans experienced them selves how people live in another countries and they stopped thinking some more taxes and instead enjoying a much safer life for them and their families, is some thing evil!
Before you see the rest of the world your self you will have no idea a bout the facts!
Both systems Socialism and Capitalism are not perfect and there are a lot issues in both systems which can result in devistating situations for countries.......but! To gether and as a combination with best things from both systems people can live much more relaxed and basic needs of human beings will not be respected only for the richer ones!
In CNN see the program called "A broken Government" It is a bout health care system in America Or the movie John Q with Denzel Washington....these are not made by Michael Moore whom right winged see as devil him self because he critisize the way americans "HAVE" to live their lives! I think the movie "Sikho" shows the facts even better but oak I know Michael Moore makes many americans angry so ............
Wish better times for your country and wish reforms over there which can be felt deeply and profoundly different than ever before!
Hot_Single_Dude: Really great message! I wish more americans experienced them selves how people live in another countries and they stopped thinking some more taxes and instead enjoying a much safer life for them and their families, is some thing evil!
Before you see the rest of the world your self you will have no idea a bout the facts!
Both systems Socialism and Capitalism are not perfect and there are a lot issues in both systems which can result in devistating situations for countries.......but! To gether and as a combination with best things from both systems people can live much more relaxed and basic needs of human beings will not be respected only for the richer ones!
In CNN see the program called "A broken Government" It is a bout health care system in America Or the movie John Q with Denzel Washington....these are not made by Michael Moore whom right winged see as devil him self because he critisize the way americans "HAVE" to live their lives! I think the movie "Sikho" shows the facts even better but oak I know Michael Moore makes many americans angry so ............
Wish better times for your country and wish reforms over there which can be felt deeply and profoundly different than ever before!
Those Movies are just made by Moore's Brainbrothers!!!!
McCain is getting my vote, I hope people don't blame McCain for Bushes mess.People say they vote for what the runner has to offer, I think it is coming down to Woman verses Black,I'm basing my vote on that McCain was a p.o.w, he served his country and he knows what freedom really is.
For all that i have been following , i like Obama .. as someone mentioned he is vert composed and charismatic.
I was wondering something and would be happy if someone would answer this for me .. What do u think would be the best move in todays times to stop the ongoing decline in the American economy and who of the candidates seems to fit the bill ?
Well now there you go again as Ronald Raegan would say.
"Dismantling or altering of the foreign wire tapping program of the NSA"
Can you provide a link to any place where she said she would do that? I doubt any American would be opposed to eavesdropping on the communications of foreign sources of subversive groups or countries. Like most Americans I'm sure she is opposed to "DOMESTIC" wire taps without a court order. I really don't know what all the fuss is about getting a court order which can be obtained after the fact. Do you like the idea that big brother can read you email, and listen in on your phone convos whenever they like with no oversight by anybody? I damn sure don't.
"Reduction of military spending. If she is going to bring new social services and national health insurance into the country. She has to find the money someplace. DoD budget is the biggests. The hatchet start there I think."
There is so much pork in the DOD budget it's criminal. This years DOD budget will be 3/4 of Trillion dollars. Case in point, Lockheeds F22 fighter jet. This plane has been in developement for 25 years, they cost $300 million each and so far the F22 program has cost $60 Billion but with 2 wars going on, it hasn't flown even 1 sortie in either war. Dont take my word for it, listen for yourself at.
"Negotiation vs active intervention of terrorism on foreign soils"
What's wrong with diplomacy? Isn't that better than flatly refusing to talk to your enemy? We talked to Moscow during the cold war and probably avoided WW3 in the process. Is it better to go in with guns blazing like some freakin western movie? It isn't a sign of weakness to discuss things with foreign hostile governments. But to refuse to even talk is something a spoiled child would do.
What a balanced and sensible response OOby. If you want to run for President I will vote for you....and i don't care which party you are in. Otherwise i think I will root for Hillary.
What's wrong with diplomacy? Isn't that better than flatly refusing to talk to your enemy? We talked to Moscow during the cold war and probably avoided WW3 in the process. Is it better to go in with guns blazing like some freakin western movie? It isn't a sign of weakness to discuss things with foreign hostile governments. But to refuse to even talk is something a spoiled child would do.
As I said in the first lines of the post...I was not a 100% certain. I got the 'feeling' that the NSA wire foreign tapping program would be a target. From Hillary's and others Demo disecting of it during the committe investigations. I listened to their questioning of it pretty closely. I was seeking other CS opinions and facts.
DoD Budget. Where is the draw down point? What I am saying is that with both Russia and China arming. How much can we afford safely to cut? And where? Not even Republicans canididates are gives us any real hard facts here. Is DoD budget inflated and excessive, no doubt. But how far does one reduces and still maintain national security? Hillary's social progams are going to be big ticket items......mean big dollar cuts in other places.
I am not against diplomancy with gov't on ligitmate issues between those two countries. Terrorism is something that hides behinds the border of a country. Good point is AlQueada in Afghanistan. Take the recent action of a US Navy destroyer when it engaged a terrorist compound in Solomia. Would Hillary give the shoot order without contacting the Solomia gov't prior? I get the feeling that she would first negotiate with Solomian gov't and by the time the Solomian permission is given......the bad guys have been warned and dispersed.
Same thing for UAV attacks in Pakistan and elsewhere. If we are going to go to negotiate first before shoot policy, we will lose a lot of viable terrorist targets. As the countries that shield them, warn them. And this conflict will go longer. Bush made the decision to be preemptive, the Russians have just said the same thing, as have other countries. I just was asking where she stood on preemptive strikes on terrorism.
As for talking with enemies.....are they enemies nation states or terrorist? Are they ligitmate gov't or a group of individuals that simply hate Americans/westerns that can melt into the civilian population? One you can honorably negotiate with. The other will not honor any agreement made. JMO
Not 1005 sure, but I think the F-22s first squadrons are being fielded this year. It is a heck of a warplane. I have seen it at airshows a year ago. You might not see it either Iraq or Afghanistan though. It is a air superiority fighter. We own those air spaces already, without any hostile threat in its high altitude operating space. Maybe better to have them over Europe? or Tiawan?
Fallingman: What a balanced and sensible response OOby. If you want to run for President I will vote for you....and i don't care which party you are in. Otherwise i think I will root for Hillary.
Well TY fallingman. BTW, you have been falling for a long time, I hope you have a parachute on.
Incidently, I'm not qualified to be president besides that job ages you too fast. I want to keep what good looks I have left as long as possible so I can make it with the ladies.
modernday_cowboy: I could stand Romney....much better than the other republicans.I didnt trust hilary either but she has changed my mind..Ihave watched every debate, I like both of them..
For the life of me I can't undeerstand how someone can want a dem like Hillary and then say they could put up with Romney. They are completely different ends of the scale, they have nothing in common.
This doesn't make any sense even from the independent side.
tampa1: For the life of me I can't undeerstand how someone can want a dem like Hillary and then say they could put up with Romney. They are completely different ends of the scale, they have nothing in common. This doesn't make any sense even from the independent side.
Hot_Single_Dude: Really great message! I wish more americans experienced them selves how people live in another countries and they stopped thinking some more taxes and instead enjoying a much safer life for them and their families, is some thing evil!
Before you see the rest of the world your self you will have no idea a bout the facts!
Both systems Socialism and Capitalism are not perfect and there are a lot issues in both systems which can result in devistating situations for countries.......but! To gether and as a combination with best things from both systems people can live much more relaxed and basic needs of human beings will not be respected only for the richer ones!
In CNN see the program called "A broken Government" It is a bout health care system in America Or the movie John Q with Denzel Washington....these are not made by Michael Moore whom right winged see as devil him self because he critisize the way americans "HAVE" to live their lives! I think the movie "Sikho" shows the facts even better but oak I know Michael Moore makes many americans angry so ............
Wish better times for your country and wish reforms over there which can be felt deeply and profoundly different than ever before!
I probably watch about 50% of those broken government segments. So much of how you "define the problem will tell you how to find the solution." I do think that Obama's ultra-liberal voting record will go against him in the "heartland" of America. What you see on TV is basically from New York and Atlanta based and not truly representative of the larger culture. I do admire his integrity though. Apparently a lot of the truly socialist governments waste absolutely no money...something our government has no skill or desire to do. I would venture to guess that if the US government was truly thrifty, government spending could easily be reduced by 1/3.
ooby_dooby: Well now there you go again as Ronald Raegan would say.
"Dismantling or altering of the foreign wire tapping program of the NSA"
Can you provide a link to any place where she said she would do that? I doubt any American would be opposed to eavesdropping on the communications of foreign sources of subversive groups or countries. Like most Americans I'm sure she is opposed to "DOMESTIC" wire taps without a court order. I really don't know what all the fuss is about getting a court order which can be obtained after the fact. Do you like the idea that big brother can read you email, and listen in on your phone convos whenever they like with no oversight by anybody? I damn sure don't.
"Reduction of military spending. If she is going to bring new social services and national health insurance into the country. She has to find the money someplace. DoD budget is the biggests. The hatchet start there I think."
There is so much pork in the DOD budget it's criminal. This years DOD budget will be 3/4 of Trillion dollars. Case in point, Lockheeds F22 fighter jet. This plane has been in developement for 25 years, they cost $300 million each and so far the F22 program has cost $60 Billion but with 2 wars going on, it hasn't flown even 1 sortie in either war. Dont take my word for it, listen for yourself at.
"Negotiation vs active intervention of terrorism on foreign soils"
What's wrong with diplomacy? Isn't that better than flatly refusing to talk to your enemy? We talked to Moscow during the cold war and probably avoided WW3 in the process. Is it better to go in with guns blazing like some freakin western movie? It isn't a sign of weakness to discuss things with foreign hostile governments. But to refuse to even talk is something a spoiled child would do.
modernday_cowboy: I Lived in Australia for 2 yrs. And have traveled alot of the world. In Australia they have combined a part Democratic government and PArt socialist, it is not perfect, but it does work! NO ONE IS HOMELESS unless they chose to be!! Everyone is taking care of! If they lose their job, ( FIRED,layed off, Quit) they dont have to worry about Unemployment running out!! they are taken care of! And the Citizens RUN the country, it is not controlled soley by the Government, I saw many protests that had a huge effect everytime they didn agree with something.
I know We ARE THE GREATEST COUNTRY hands down, but until more of see the rest of the world and really see how different types of Government can help, we should be careful for accepting what we have always been told is right!
We need Change!! I say First and formost stop POLICING THE REST OF THE WORLD AND TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN !! MOST OF THE POLICING IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF OIL COMPANIES ANYWAY, they control WAY to many decsions in this country. I am a former Marine, And I am a police officer now. I dont know everything but, as gentleman said earlier in this thread KNow what your person really stands for. VOTE!! DIG!!! Our country needs some critical things to happen over the next 4 yrs~!
I'm fascinated as to how it benefits oil companies? If we wanted to benefit oil companies, we'd be drilling off of the California coast, Florida coast and in ANWAR. That would benefit oil companies and Americans! Win/win is a good situation for everyone.
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In my humble opinion, Romney is just another Bushlike politician. He is all corporate and has no idea how to relate to the "average" person.