The worlds future transportation fuel (27)
I have no idea what you just said...but I'm all for better fuels!!
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shipoker55: I have no idea what you just said...but I'm all for better fuels!!
I agree
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Maybe I should explain exactly what I'm talking about so you can get some meaningful information from it. I realize what I posted sounds like a bunch of tech speak to a lot of people.
To start with Ethanol is just a popular name for Ethyl Alcohol hence they named it Ethanol. You can drink it so long as it hasn't been adulterated with poison like what they do to rubbing alcohol. Rubbing alcohol that has been spiked with poison is called de-natured alcohol.
Most Ethanol is made from corn which is why the price of everything made from corn and all livestock and the products they produce (eggs, milk, butter, beef, pork etc) is very expensive because the demand for corn to produce ethanol has driven the price of corn through the roof. Corn use to sell for 2-3 dollars a bushel for decades, now it's 8 dollars a bushel.
Cellulosic ethanol is no different from ordinary ethanol made from corn except it isn't made from corn therefore there is no impact on the supply of corn which is mostely used for livestock feed. Did you know that about 90% of corn produced in the US is "feed corn" which isn't fit for human consumption except to make cornmeal? Most people probably think those cornfields you see all over the country is the sweet corn you buy at the store to make corn on the cob or canned corn but it isn't. If you ever tried to eat feed corn you would probably break your teeth.
the word cellulosic comes from the word cellulose which is basically the stuff wood is made of as well as most vegatable matter, corn stalks & cobs, sugar cane, paper & cardboard, weeds, straw etc etc.
There's a whole slew of co's building plants to produce cellulosic ethanol all over the world. The technology is still in development because there are several methods employed to make ethanol from cellulose. Right now these co's are testing all the methods to find out which is the most efficient and cost effective.
I hope that helps.
To start with Ethanol is just a popular name for Ethyl Alcohol hence they named it Ethanol. You can drink it so long as it hasn't been adulterated with poison like what they do to rubbing alcohol. Rubbing alcohol that has been spiked with poison is called de-natured alcohol.
Most Ethanol is made from corn which is why the price of everything made from corn and all livestock and the products they produce (eggs, milk, butter, beef, pork etc) is very expensive because the demand for corn to produce ethanol has driven the price of corn through the roof. Corn use to sell for 2-3 dollars a bushel for decades, now it's 8 dollars a bushel.
Cellulosic ethanol is no different from ordinary ethanol made from corn except it isn't made from corn therefore there is no impact on the supply of corn which is mostely used for livestock feed. Did you know that about 90% of corn produced in the US is "feed corn" which isn't fit for human consumption except to make cornmeal? Most people probably think those cornfields you see all over the country is the sweet corn you buy at the store to make corn on the cob or canned corn but it isn't. If you ever tried to eat feed corn you would probably break your teeth.
the word cellulosic comes from the word cellulose which is basically the stuff wood is made of as well as most vegatable matter, corn stalks & cobs, sugar cane, paper & cardboard, weeds, straw etc etc.
There's a whole slew of co's building plants to produce cellulosic ethanol all over the world. The technology is still in development because there are several methods employed to make ethanol from cellulose. Right now these co's are testing all the methods to find out which is the most efficient and cost effective.
I hope that helps.
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I'd just like to see the Artic ice cap melt so we could get that oil easier. 
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Please look into the Jatropha Plant... it is a much better choice for making biofuel.
Food versus Fuel
Rushing to turn food crops — maize, wheat, sugar, palm oil — into fuel for cars, without first examining the impact on global hunger, would be a recipe for disaster. Among the potential impacts identified are increasing food prices, increasing competition over land and forests, forced evictions, impacts on employment and conditions of work, and increasing prices and scarcity of water. That is why Jatropha was recently recommended as a biofuels crop for developing countries by UN Special Rapporteur on the right to food.
In recent years, the Indian government has shown a major interest in Jatropha, and alongside other developing countries, a number of international groups are now sharing this interest. There have been substantial political and social pressures to promote the growing of such crops (in particular Jatropha curcas) in India, as a means of economic empowerment, social upliftment and poverty alleviation within marginalized communities.
Government of India has selected the plant for National Program compared to others due to followings:
Low cost seeds
High oil content
Small gestation period
Growth on good and degraded soil
Growth in low and high rainfall areas
Seeds can be harvested in non-rainy season
Plant size is making collection of seeds more convenient
Of all the above prospective plant candidates as bio-diesel yielding sources, Jatropha curcas is standing "at the top" and "sufficient information” on this plant is already available.
Visit this website for more info...
http://www.jatrophabiodiesel.org/
Great subject ooby!!!
Food versus Fuel
Rushing to turn food crops — maize, wheat, sugar, palm oil — into fuel for cars, without first examining the impact on global hunger, would be a recipe for disaster. Among the potential impacts identified are increasing food prices, increasing competition over land and forests, forced evictions, impacts on employment and conditions of work, and increasing prices and scarcity of water. That is why Jatropha was recently recommended as a biofuels crop for developing countries by UN Special Rapporteur on the right to food.
In recent years, the Indian government has shown a major interest in Jatropha, and alongside other developing countries, a number of international groups are now sharing this interest. There have been substantial political and social pressures to promote the growing of such crops (in particular Jatropha curcas) in India, as a means of economic empowerment, social upliftment and poverty alleviation within marginalized communities.
Government of India has selected the plant for National Program compared to others due to followings:
Low cost seeds
High oil content
Small gestation period
Growth on good and degraded soil
Growth in low and high rainfall areas
Seeds can be harvested in non-rainy season
Plant size is making collection of seeds more convenient
Of all the above prospective plant candidates as bio-diesel yielding sources, Jatropha curcas is standing "at the top" and "sufficient information” on this plant is already available.
Visit this website for more info...
http://www.jatrophabiodiesel.org/
Great subject ooby!!!
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Thank you HL, I figured you would be interested being a fellow trucker. BTW, have you any idea why the pump price of diesel should be higher than gasoline? This question has never been answered to my satisfaction. I'm sure diesel is closer to crude oil than gasoline is so it just doesn't make any sense.
Lately I have been turning work down unless it pays very well. I wont even start my truck for a marginal job. I guess I'm partly responsible for higher transportation costs.
Lately I have been turning work down unless it pays very well. I wont even start my truck for a marginal job. I guess I'm partly responsible for higher transportation costs.
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ooby_dooby: Thank you HL, I figured you would be interested being a fellow trucker. BTW, have you any idea why the pump price of diesel should be higher than gasoline? This question has never been answered to my satisfaction. I'm sure diesel is closer to crude oil than gasoline is so it just doesn't make any sense.
Lately I have been turning work down unless it pays very well. I wont even start my truck for a marginal job. I guess I'm partly responsible for higher transportation costs.
Lately I have been turning work down unless it pays very well. I wont even start my truck for a marginal job. I guess I'm partly responsible for higher transportation costs.
I am in the same boat with you ooby. I have not been able to figure out why diesel fuel cost more. All I can figure is that the greedy investors know that we use more fuel, so they jacked it up. Everyone always wants a piece of the trucking industries pie!
It felt good to see the price comming down this week. I paid $4.15 per gallon yesterday, on the yard. Our cost is 20 cents per gallon below the price on the street. It was $4.59 last weekend. Of course it needs to come down a whole lot more!!!!!!!!!!!
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ooby_dooby: Thank you HL, I figured you would be interested being a fellow trucker. BTW, have you any idea why the pump price of diesel should be higher than gasoline? This question has never been answered to my satisfaction. I'm sure diesel is closer to crude oil than gasoline is so it just doesn't make any sense.
Lately I have been turning work down unless it pays very well. I wont even start my truck for a marginal job. I guess I'm partly responsible for higher transportation costs.
Lately I have been turning work down unless it pays very well. I wont even start my truck for a marginal job. I guess I'm partly responsible for higher transportation costs.
They are watering down gas with ethanol so there is less avalible for diesal. The spike in fuel prices is a crock of crap. My next car is going to be electric, F the gas companys and their greed.
Dennis ( ack electricity prices rose last month )
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Maybe you're able to get less Dieselfuel from a Barrel of Crude than Gasoline?
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Conrad73: Maybe you're able to get less Dieselfuel from a Barrel of Crude than Gasoline?
LOL, most likely can.
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I have a car that can run on water alone. Its awesome, just fill it up with youre garden house. I do however need to get those patents going.
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Too my understanding.
The consumption of corn as livestock feed and fuel, does not have to be an either or type of choice,
some prohibition era distillers used the same corn for both applications, and the same can be done with fuel production.
That said...
Corn generates approx. 250 gallons of ethanol per acre,
sugar beets generate approx. 1000 gallons per acre,
and oddly enough cat tails generate 7000 gallons per acre,
if my memory serves and my source is accurate.
The consumption of corn as livestock feed and fuel, does not have to be an either or type of choice,
some prohibition era distillers used the same corn for both applications, and the same can be done with fuel production.
That said...
Corn generates approx. 250 gallons of ethanol per acre,
sugar beets generate approx. 1000 gallons per acre,
and oddly enough cat tails generate 7000 gallons per acre,
if my memory serves and my source is accurate.
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Indyfella: I'd just like to see the Artic ice cap melt so we could get that oil easier.
Oh don't worry....A team of Canadian Scientists are already on their way up there and everybody is standing back rubbing their hands together!!!!!!!!!
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Hugz_n_Kissez: Oh don't worry....A team of Canadian Scientists are already on their way up there and everybody is standing back rubbing their hands together!!!!!!!!!
Well....if there's oil there, I say........"gitter done"
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Indyfella: Well....if there's oil there, I say........"gitter done"
Oh yes the U.S. is cooperating of course cause it will help them with their land claim up there..so you can dig up your own piece of land!!!!!!!!!
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Hugz_n_Kissez: Oh yes the U.S. is cooperating of course cause it will help them with their land claim up there..so you can dig up your own piece of land!!!!!!!!!
God bless the Bushneys....
I heard Putin laid claim up there?
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ooby_dooby: Cellulosic Ethanol
Cellulosic ethanol is a renewable fuel source produced from biomass- derivedproducts such as sugarcane waste (bagasse), switchgrass, rice straw and woodchips. Cellulose, a long-chain polysaccharide found in nearly all plant life, is the most abundant molecule on earth, and, according to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), its high-oxygen content reduces carbon monoxide better than any other oxygenated chemical compound.
Next-generation cellulosic ethanol uses advanced biological science to reduce the cost of ethanol production and enable access to a wide variety of biomass. Unlike traditional ethanol manufactured from corn or sugar, cellulosic ethanol production utilizes non-food, plant biomass as its feedstock source. The biomass is first broken down into fermentable sugars using acid or enzymatic hydrolysis and industrial enzymes, after which the sugars are fermented into ethanol using various fermentation organisms. Ethanol produced from cellulosic biomass is believed to have many benefits over first-generation ethanol including, the use of non-food feedstock, substantially greater yield of ethanol per acre of feedstock, minimal exposure to volatile commodity price risks across the production process and a more favorable environmental impact.
The production of cellulosic ethanol in the United States is supported by the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, which mandates that advanced biofuel production consist of 21 billion gallons by 2022, of which 16 billion gallons must come from cellulosic ethanol.
This renewable fuel, along with other intelligent alternative energy sources like wind, tide, solar, geothermal, and conservation will enable the worlds people to break their dependance on not just foreign oil but crude oil in general.
helium-3Cellulosic ethanol is a renewable fuel source produced from biomass- derivedproducts such as sugarcane waste (bagasse), switchgrass, rice straw and woodchips. Cellulose, a long-chain polysaccharide found in nearly all plant life, is the most abundant molecule on earth, and, according to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), its high-oxygen content reduces carbon monoxide better than any other oxygenated chemical compound.
Next-generation cellulosic ethanol uses advanced biological science to reduce the cost of ethanol production and enable access to a wide variety of biomass. Unlike traditional ethanol manufactured from corn or sugar, cellulosic ethanol production utilizes non-food, plant biomass as its feedstock source. The biomass is first broken down into fermentable sugars using acid or enzymatic hydrolysis and industrial enzymes, after which the sugars are fermented into ethanol using various fermentation organisms. Ethanol produced from cellulosic biomass is believed to have many benefits over first-generation ethanol including, the use of non-food feedstock, substantially greater yield of ethanol per acre of feedstock, minimal exposure to volatile commodity price risks across the production process and a more favorable environmental impact.
The production of cellulosic ethanol in the United States is supported by the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, which mandates that advanced biofuel production consist of 21 billion gallons by 2022, of which 16 billion gallons must come from cellulosic ethanol.
This renewable fuel, along with other intelligent alternative energy sources like wind, tide, solar, geothermal, and conservation will enable the worlds people to break their dependance on not just foreign oil but crude oil in general.
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Indyfella: God bless the Bushneys.... I heard Putin laid claim up there?
I think there's 5 or 6 countries...someone put a flag out in the middle of the ocean and I think the others were less than impressed...I can't remember who it was...maybe it was Denmark....
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we here in India r on a war footin for biofuels
jatropha..........bagasse.........n research is goin on to get some energy outta algae(really innovative)
jatropha..........bagasse.........n research is goin on to get some energy outta algae(really innovative)
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Cellulosic ethanol is a renewable fuel source produced from biomass- derivedproducts such as sugarcane waste (bagasse), switchgrass, rice straw and woodchips. Cellulose, a long-chain polysaccharide found in nearly all plant life, is the most abundant molecule on earth, and, according to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), its high-oxygen content reduces carbon monoxide better than any other oxygenated chemical compound.
Next-generation cellulosic ethanol uses advanced biological science to reduce the cost of ethanol production and enable access to a wide variety of biomass. Unlike traditional ethanol manufactured from corn or sugar, cellulosic ethanol production utilizes non-food, plant biomass as its feedstock source. The biomass is first broken down into fermentable sugars using acid or enzymatic hydrolysis and industrial enzymes, after which the sugars are fermented into ethanol using various fermentation organisms. Ethanol produced from cellulosic biomass is believed to have many benefits over first-generation ethanol including, the use of non-food feedstock, substantially greater yield of ethanol per acre of feedstock, minimal exposure to volatile commodity price risks across the production process and a more favorable environmental impact.
The production of cellulosic ethanol in the United States is supported by the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, which mandates that advanced biofuel production consist of 21 billion gallons by 2022, of which 16 billion gallons must come from cellulosic ethanol.
This renewable fuel, along with other intelligent alternative energy sources like wind, tide, solar, geothermal, and conservation will enable the worlds people to break their dependance on not just foreign oil but crude oil in general.