What is the cause of the world’s economic chaos? ( Archived) (42)

Oct 8, 2008 3:34 PM CST What is the cause of the world’s economic chaos?
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
Sir Sparkybowing
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Oct 8, 2008 3:37 PM CST What is the cause of the world’s economic chaos?
Sparky55
Sparky55Sparky55Somewhere, Afghanistan48 Threads 1 Polls 2,678 Posts
cristina: Sir Sparky


Don't do that, it'll go to my head.. laugh
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Oct 8, 2008 3:44 PM CST What is the cause of the world’s economic chaos?
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
i know you do touch the ground to compensate it Sparkywink
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Oct 8, 2008 3:44 PM CST What is the cause of the world’s economic chaos?
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
to balance it i meant
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Oct 8, 2008 3:47 PM CST What is the cause of the world’s economic chaos?
Lillym
LillymLillymSliema, Majjistral Malta33 Threads 3,391 Posts
cristina: to balance it i meant


Careful Cristina it will make him dizzy...wave
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Oct 8, 2008 4:13 PM CST What is the cause of the world’s economic chaos?
Sparky55
Sparky55Sparky55Somewhere, Afghanistan48 Threads 1 Polls 2,678 Posts
cristina: to balance it i meant


I do make an effortgrin

And as for you Marisa, Too late....laugh
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Oct 8, 2008 4:19 PM CST What is the cause of the world’s economic chaos?
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
Hi Lillywave

laugh
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Oct 8, 2008 4:25 PM CST What is the cause of the world’s economic chaos?
Lillym
LillymLillymSliema, Majjistral Malta33 Threads 3,391 Posts
cristina: Hi Lilly


Hey you...wave Seems I am too late dunno

laugh
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Oct 8, 2008 4:51 PM CST What is the cause of the world’s economic chaos?
Sparky55
Sparky55Sparky55Somewhere, Afghanistan48 Threads 1 Polls 2,678 Posts
Hugz_n_Kissez: I agree and I think all the politicians are too blame too...I don't think one can take the blame over the other....


Yes but there are many too pumped up over the current political contest to consider much less understand the problem.
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Oct 8, 2008 4:52 PM CST What is the cause of the world’s economic chaos?
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
Sparky55: Yes but there are many too pumped up over the current political contest to consider much less understand the problem.



Yeah I know...well politicians are famous for passing the buck and playing the blame game that's why....roll eyes doh professor
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Oct 8, 2008 5:07 PM CST What is the cause of the world’s economic chaos?
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
I think this is a fairly good and accurate opinion from an ex Liberal:


Linda Chavez: We all deserve blame in economic crisis

12:01 AM CDT on Friday, October 3, 2008

No one wants to talk about who is most to blame for the financial crisis that now threatens the U.S. economy. It is far easier to blame greedy Wall Street executives, predatory lenders, President Bush, federal regulators or members of Congress than it is to look at ourselves.

For too long, Americans have been living on borrowed money they could never pay back. We've bought houses we couldn't afford and taken out loans on home equity that didn't materialize, assuming housing values would continually move upward. We've paid for every new gadget Madison Avenue hawked with credit cards whose principal we never paid down. We sent our children to college on loans, saddling them with debts that crush their futures.

And all the while, we've kidded ourselves into believing the bill wouldn't come due. Now it has – and all of us, responsible and irresponsible alike, will foot the cost.

But you will never hear this explanation from politicians who are scrambling to resolve the credit crisis. It is far easier to talk about the evil of CEO "golden parachutes" or the dangers of mortgage-backed securities and subprime loans.

Don't get me wrong. It is obscene that executives who mismanaged their companies leave with millions of dollars in ill-gotten gains while shareholders see their investments plummet and employees lose their jobs. But until we recognize the culpability for the giant Ponzi scheme that was the housing bubble goes beyond Wall Street to Main Street, we won't really fix the problem.

The average American now owes more than $16,635 in consumer debt, excluding mortgages, according to U.S. News. A 2004 Federal Reserve Board survey found that 58 percent of credit card holders do not pay their card balances every month. Nearly 10 percent of households owe credit card balances of $9,000 or more.

We've simply become accustomed to buying what we want, when we want it, regardless of whether we can really afford it. Consumerism has been driving our economy for years. And politicians have encouraged it, including President Bush, who told us all to go shopping to bring us out of recession after the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.

Again this year, politicians urged us to spend the tax rebates that Congress passed as part of the stimulus package. I can't recall a single political leader that suggested we should pay down our debts with those rebate checks.

As a result, our individual debt continues to grow and our savings to shrink. The Bureau of Economic Analysis reports that for August 2008, the personal savings rate as a percentage of disposable income was 1 percent, but that "saving from current income may be near zero or negative when outlays are financed by borrowing (including borrowing financed through credit cards or home equity loans), by selling investments or other assets, or by using savings from previous periods."

Baby boomers have little prospect of retiring on their savings, especially given the current declines in the stock market.

(Cont'd)....wine
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Oct 8, 2008 5:07 PM CST What is the cause of the world’s economic chaos?
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
We have become a nation of debtors, and our only solution seems to be to turn to the government to bail us out. And it's not just Wall Street firms looking to be rescued. Politicians are fearful of passing a financial package that does not include some relief for borrowers as well. Certainly, it is worth doing something to prevent lenders from making bad loans to individuals without the credit or down payment to ensure likely repayment. But automatically bailing out borrowers who weren't credit worthy in the first place is no solution.

Ultimately, all of us have got to rid ourselves of the addiction to spending money we don't have. Instead of pointing fingers, we'd better start looking in the mirror if we want to understand who's really to blame.


"Linda Chavez is the author of "An Unlikely Conservative: The Transformation of an Ex-Liberal."

wine
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Oct 8, 2008 5:10 PM CST What is the cause of the world’s economic chaos?
omurchu2
omurchu2omurchu2Dundalk, Louth Ireland4 Threads 139 Posts
Urmmmm Greed conversing
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Oct 8, 2008 7:45 PM CST What is the cause of the world’s economic chaos?
Sparky55
Sparky55Sparky55Somewhere, Afghanistan48 Threads 1 Polls 2,678 Posts
Hugz_n_Kissez: We have become a nation of debtors, and our only solution seems to be to turn to the government to bail us out. And it's not just Wall Street firms looking to be rescued. Politicians are fearful of passing a financial package that does not include some relief for borrowers as well. Certainly, it is worth doing something to prevent lenders from making bad loans to individuals without the credit or down payment to ensure likely repayment. But automatically bailing out borrowers who weren't credit worthy in the first place is no solution.

Ultimately, all of us have got to rid ourselves of the addiction to spending money we don't have. Instead of pointing fingers, we'd better start looking in the mirror if we want to understand who's really to blame."Linda Chavez is the author of "An Unlikely Conservative: The Transformation of an Ex-Liberal."


That pretty much sums it up. wine
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Oct 8, 2008 7:51 PM CST What is the cause of the world’s economic chaos?
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
When politicians say "the sky is falling"....what can we expect? Of course this is an election year...what can we expect?
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Oct 8, 2008 7:59 PM CST What is the cause of the world’s economic chaos?
Sparky55
Sparky55Sparky55Somewhere, Afghanistan48 Threads 1 Polls 2,678 Posts
Indyfella: When politicians say "the sky is falling"....what can we expect? Of course this is an election year...what can we expect?


We can expect that the winds of change and the straight talk express to blow the distinct aroma of BS our way. Breathe deeply so you get the full flavor.
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Oct 8, 2008 8:01 PM CST What is the cause of the world’s economic chaos?
shipoker58
shipoker58shipoker58Las Vegas, Nevada USA30 Threads 2,969 Posts
bush is resonsible for all bad things in the whole universe!!
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Oct 8, 2008 8:13 PM CST What is the cause of the world’s economic chaos?
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
Some good points and observations by everybody in this thread. I agree and can only add that now is the time to focus on solutions and not problems.

And change does not happen overnight. So stop thinking in fast food terms...
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Dec 5, 2008 8:40 AM CST What is the cause of the world’s economic chaos?
fireliter
fireliterfireliterAllen Park, Michigan USA502 Threads 14 Polls 5,902 Posts
GREED
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Dec 5, 2008 8:45 AM CST What is the cause of the world’s economic chaos?
shipoker58
shipoker58shipoker58Las Vegas, Nevada USA30 Threads 2,969 Posts
George Bush is responsible for all that is bad in the world

Bob Dylan is responsible for all that is good in the world

Angelina Jolie is responsible for all that is HOT in the world
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