Science & Philosophy, do they ever get along? ( Archived) (70)

Dec 17, 2008 12:03 PM CST Science & Philosophy, do they ever get along?
sweetowen
sweetowensweetowenSomewhere, Pennsylvania USA289 Threads 5 Polls 8,850 Posts
If you're of a scientific mind & the one you're interested in/dating/married to is of a philosophical mind, do you think you would be able to relate? In your opinion, would it lead to some great conversations? Or perhaps some huge arguments?
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Dec 17, 2008 12:13 PM CST Science & Philosophy, do they ever get along?
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
sweetowen: If you're of a scientific mind & the one you're interested in/dating/married to is of a philosophical mind, do you think you would be able to relate? In your opinion, would it lead to some great conversations? Or perhaps some huge arguments?



Any couple who have opposite things in common can get along....it's about respecting one anothers opinions....and not putting them down...because they are different than yours...and when you love someone...that respect should already be in place...so it won't be a hard thing to do....wave wink hug teddybear hug bouquet
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Dec 17, 2008 12:14 PM CST Science & Philosophy, do they ever get along?
pretzelman
pretzelmanpretzelmanLas Vegas, Nevada USA43 Threads 1 Polls 2,956 Posts
yes...with open minded people....on both sides
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Dec 17, 2008 12:18 PM CST Science & Philosophy, do they ever get along?
Ambrose2007
Ambrose2007Ambrose2007BFE, South Dakota USA67 Threads 10 Polls 8,881 Posts
sweetowen: If you're of a scientific mind & the one you're interested in/dating/married to is of a philosophical mind, do you think you would be able to relate? In your opinion, would it lead to some great conversations? Or perhaps some huge arguments?


I don't see the two necessarily being in conflict at all. Science people generally are interested in ideas, in my experience, and philosophy people are often interested in science (I know I love both!).dunno wave hug
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Dec 17, 2008 12:54 PM CST Science & Philosophy, do they ever get along?
sweetowen
sweetowensweetowenSomewhere, Pennsylvania USA289 Threads 5 Polls 8,850 Posts
I understand what you're saying. The thing is that normally, if you're more scientific, you usually want concrete proof. The philosophical person will give theories, which sometimes can't be proven, but are, at times, taken for fact. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Dec 17, 2008 1:00 PM CST Science & Philosophy, do they ever get along?
DazzleYou
DazzleYouDazzleYouSeattle, WA, Washington USA39 Threads 1 Polls 836 Posts
What about those of us who are not scientific OR philosophical? I tend to be more, spontaneously comical.
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Dec 17, 2008 1:02 PM CST Science & Philosophy, do they ever get along?
sweetowen
sweetowensweetowenSomewhere, Pennsylvania USA289 Threads 5 Polls 8,850 Posts
DazzleYou: What about those of us who are not scientific OR philosophical? I tend to be more, spontaneously comical.


Being a medical doctor, I would think you're scientific. Am I right? I tend to be more philosophical.
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Dec 17, 2008 1:04 PM CST Science & Philosophy, do they ever get along?
Ambrose2007
Ambrose2007Ambrose2007BFE, South Dakota USA67 Threads 10 Polls 8,881 Posts
sweetowen: I understand what you're saying. The thing is that normally, if you're more scientific, you usually want concrete proof. The philosophical person will give theories, which sometimes can't be proven, but are, at times, taken for fact. Please correct me if I'm wrong.


Is that addressed to me, Sweet?confused wave

You have pointed out a real difference. For example, it's rather difficult if not impossible to quantify many things scientifically whose reality we take for granted - such as love, will, or any human emotion.

It's interesting to note that philosophy essentially mediates science through its understandings of basic logic as it applies to the nature of scientific method (for instance). It's impossible to practice science without certain philosophical premises; on the other hand, good philosophy has to take into account at least some scientific truths (that is, is informed by empirical facts).

What I'm saying is that in many ways they are truly different sides of the same coin - they both need each other to some degree - so there is a good potential dialogue between people who are more interested in one or the other.

There are science-types who eschew some of the messier philosophic issues or who even deny the validity of philosophy altogether; by the same token there are philosophy-types who dislike science. If these cases don't apply, however, the two could have a grand ole time!laugh wave
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Dec 17, 2008 1:06 PM CST Science & Philosophy, do they ever get along?
DazzleYou
DazzleYouDazzleYouSeattle, WA, Washington USA39 Threads 1 Polls 836 Posts
I am scientific on many things, but I am also philosophical about many things.

I am smart enough to know that there are many things that we don't have figured out and may never figure out. So rather than refuse to take anything by faith because I do not have it concretely figured out in front of me, I don't worry about it.
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Dec 17, 2008 1:06 PM CST Science & Philosophy, do they ever get along?
sweetowen
sweetowensweetowenSomewhere, Pennsylvania USA289 Threads 5 Polls 8,850 Posts
Ambrose2007: Is that addressed to me, Sweet?

You have pointed out a real difference. For example, it's rather difficult if not impossible to quantify many things scientifically whose reality we take for granted - such as love, will, or any human emotion.

It's interesting to note that philosophy essentially mediates science through its understandings of basic logic as it applies to the nature of scientific method (for instance). It's impossible to practice science without certain philosophical premises; on the other hand, good philosophy has to take into account at least some scientific truths (that is, is informed by empirical facts).

What I'm saying is that in many ways they are truly different sides of the same coin - they both need each other to some degree - so there is a good potential dialogue between people who are more interested in one or the other.

There are science-types who eschew some of the messier philosophic issues or who even deny the validity of philosophy altogether; by the same token there are philosophy-types who dislike science. If these cases don't apply, however, the two could have a grand ole time!


Very, very good answer Ambrose!! Thank you! thumbs up wine handshake
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Dec 17, 2008 1:08 PM CST Science & Philosophy, do they ever get along?
sweetowen
sweetowensweetowenSomewhere, Pennsylvania USA289 Threads 5 Polls 8,850 Posts
DazzleYou: I am scientific on many things, but I am also philosophical about many things.

I am smart enough to know that there are many things that we don't have figured out and may never figure out. So rather than refuse to take anything by faith because I do not have it concretely figured out in front of me, I don't worry about it.


Excellent answer! I was just under the assumption that there was a bigger gap between the two. dunno
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Dec 17, 2008 1:11 PM CST Science & Philosophy, do they ever get along?
jbibiza
jbibizajbibizaCasinos, Valencia Spain94 Threads 4 Polls 4,914 Posts
sweetowen: I understand what you're saying. The thing is that normally, if you're more scientific, you usually want concrete proof. The philosophical person will give theories, which sometimes can't be proven, but are, at times, taken for fact. Please correct me if I'm wrong.



Philosophy is a science... the word means "love of knowledge" You have just stated exactly what a scientist does... it´s all about coming up with theories and proving or disproving them. The big ones like how did the universe happen... have many theories and they are still coming up with new ones and we don´t know if any of them will be proven beyond a doubt.

Philosophers and Scientists are both people who search for truth and knowledge... I can´t imagine a better pair to have great discussions.
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Dec 17, 2008 1:16 PM CST Science & Philosophy, do they ever get along?
Tater
TaterTaterspringfield, Illinois USA45 Threads 3 Polls 3,326 Posts
I think that it would depend on what there beleifs were, that they plan on installing into the children.. I believe that would be the hardest brickwall to conquer.. But as far as be friends, beliefs, and such are irrelevant. I get along with all kinds of people, but I would only date(marry) someone with the same philosophy as mine.cheers
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Dec 17, 2008 1:29 PM CST Science & Philosophy, do they ever get along?
jbibiza
jbibizajbibizaCasinos, Valencia Spain94 Threads 4 Polls 4,914 Posts
Tater: I think that it would depend on what there beleifs were, that they plan on installing into the children.. I believe that would be the hardest brickwall to conquer.. But as far as be friends, beliefs, and such are irrelevant. I get along with all kinds of people, but I would only date(marry) someone with the same philosophy as mine.


Which of the philosophy´s would they need to share?

Realism and nominalism
Rationalism and empiricism
Skepticism
Idealism
Pragmatism
Phenomenology
Existentialism
Structuralism and post-structuralism
The analytic tradition
Moral and political philosophy
Metaphysics
Ethical

Don´t get philosophy confused with religion... while religion is based on philosophy... philosophy is not based on religion.
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Dec 17, 2008 1:32 PM CST Science & Philosophy, do they ever get along?
They would fight like cats and dogs and then make up afterword.tongue rolling on the floor laughing
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Dec 17, 2008 1:33 PM CST Science & Philosophy, do they ever get along?
jbibiza: Which of the philosophy´s would they need to share?

Realism and nominalism
Rationalism and empiricism
Skepticism
Idealism
Pragmatism
Phenomenology
Existentialism
Structuralism and post-structuralism
The analytic tradition
Moral and political philosophy
Metaphysics
Ethical

Don´t get philosophy confused with religion... while religion is based on philosophy... philosophy is not based on religion.


How about phrenology and Subjectivism I am suprised you missed those lolrolling on the floor laughing
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Dec 17, 2008 1:34 PM CST Science & Philosophy, do they ever get along?
sweetowen
sweetowensweetowenSomewhere, Pennsylvania USA289 Threads 5 Polls 8,850 Posts
Dawn7z: They would fight like cats and dogs and then make up afterword.


That sounds kind of like what SF said... laugh
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Dec 17, 2008 1:36 PM CST Science & Philosophy, do they ever get along?
sweetowen: That sounds kind of like what SF said...


I was lazy and didn't read SF all twisted minds think alike.
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Dec 17, 2008 1:37 PM CST Science & Philosophy, do they ever get along?
Ambrose2007
Ambrose2007Ambrose2007BFE, South Dakota USA67 Threads 10 Polls 8,881 Posts
jbibiza: Which of the philosophy´s would they need to share?

Realism and nominalism
Rationalism and empiricism
Skepticism
Idealism
Pragmatism
Phenomenology
Existentialism
Structuralism and post-structuralism
The analytic tradition
Moral and political philosophy
Metaphysics
Ethical

Don´t get philosophy confused with religion... while religion is based on philosophy... philosophy is not based on religion.


applause Exactly what I was thinking. But they are both beliefs - which is probably what Tater was referring to.
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Dec 17, 2008 1:40 PM CST Science & Philosophy, do they ever get along?
jbibiza
jbibizajbibizaCasinos, Valencia Spain94 Threads 4 Polls 4,914 Posts
Dawn7z: How about phrenology and Subjectivism I am suprised you missed those lol


... and the list could go on and on... just wanted to make the point that philosophy isn´t just about religion and our purpose for living... laugh
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