An atheist has a near death experience, and another dude meets God! (52)
charlos: NDEs are no real experiences, not spiritual voyages, but a function of the dying brain. All brains, regardless of where in the world they come from, die in the same way. And that is why all NDEs have essential core elements which are the same. It is not because the dying person is traveling toward a beautiful afterlife, but because the neurotransmitters in the brain are shutting down and creating the same lovely ILLUSIONS for all who are in a near-death situation.
Not very sentimental, eh? Nothing beats reality!
Not very sentimental, eh? Nothing beats reality!
I've discovered via my own two clinical deaths that although you are right to some degree you are also very wrong.
I died in one reality and woke up in a completely different one, subjectively.
Certain people that we're alive 12 hours before had been dead for 10 years, and various other aspects of reality were completely different, including some major differences in the world itself.
I'll not go into those.
So my question to you is, nothing beats whose reality?
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anyone that is really interested in the life after death theory should go into utube type in "The Day I Died" BBC Documentary... is a six part series.. (you must watch all:)) this is a study based on clinical tests conducted in the Netherlands, England and the USA....the results are amazing..as a result there are worldwide studies being conducted in 25 major hospitals the studies are being conducted under the "AWARE" all should have a look..might surprise ya:)
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Galactic_bodhi: ...So my question to you is, nothing beats whose reality?
NDEs just feel very real to those who have experienced them. In fact they are fictional illusions defined as the perception of objects or scenes that are genuinely not there to all but a single observer, such as those induced by schizophrenia or a hallucinogen, more properly called hallucinations.
This is the “clinical reality” based on objective evidence, no matter what the involved person may “feel”...the human brain is not entirely reliable.
Ever heard of the body-swap effect that convinces people they inhabit a different body from their own? The experiment, in which volunteers were tricked into perceiving the bodies of other people as their own offers insights into how the brain constructs the sense of self. It also promises practical implications for treating body image disorders such as anorexia, for designing robotic technology and remote surgery tools, even for developing better virtual reality games.
No big deal buddy, you may easily become a victim of your own brain. Better to know this in advance.
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charlos: NDEs just feel very real to those who have experienced them. In fact they are fictional illusions defined as the perception of objects or scenes that are genuinely not there to all but a single observer, such as those induced by schizophrenia or a hallucinogen, more properly called hallucinations.
This is the “clinical reality” based on objective evidence, no matter what the involved person may “feel”...the human brain is not entirely reliable.
Ever heard of the body-swap effect that convinces people they inhabit a different body from their own? The experiment, in which volunteers were tricked into perceiving the bodies of other people as their own offers insights into how the brain constructs the sense of self. It also promises practical implications for treating body image disorders such as anorexia, for designing robotic technology and remote surgery tools, even for developing better virtual reality games.
No big deal buddy, you may easily become a victim of your own brain. Better to know this in advance.
This is the “clinical reality” based on objective evidence, no matter what the involved person may “feel”...the human brain is not entirely reliable.
Ever heard of the body-swap effect that convinces people they inhabit a different body from their own? The experiment, in which volunteers were tricked into perceiving the bodies of other people as their own offers insights into how the brain constructs the sense of self. It also promises practical implications for treating body image disorders such as anorexia, for designing robotic technology and remote surgery tools, even for developing better virtual reality games.
No big deal buddy, you may easily become a victim of your own brain. Better to know this in advance.
Ah, but there's more to it than that. I have experienced an involuntary form of what is known as "quantum suicide":
You can be skeptical. I now have incontrovertible, albeit subjective and thus unverifiable, evidence of the many-worlds interpretation of quantum physics as it relates to consciousness. Skepticism is fine. I don't fault you for that, but there is an equally supportable case for my interpretation of the events in my life. I'm not shoving it down your throat.
You're arguing from ignorance if you say the events experienced are chemical in nature and are the ONLY explanation for things, however.
Good day.
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StressFree: The last two or three minutes cuts to the chase in the near death atheist experience
In any case, the common thread that the near death experiences mention is knowing and feeling all, and feeling the best they ever did when they were out of their bodies.
In any case, the common thread that the near death experiences mention is knowing and feeling all, and feeling the best they ever did when they were out of their bodies.
No, the common thread is that they are all afraid of dying and didn't like the experience. So-called "near death experiences" are no more than hallucinations in the mind and misinterpreted experiences of the senses. The "bright lights" people claim to see? What happens in your eye when you push down on a closed eyelid?
If you were near death by drowning in a swimming pool, you would be thrashing and grasping at anything to survive, even razor blades or live electrical wires. Belief in the afterlife is the same deseperate attempt to survive, the same fear of death.
Survival is a natural instinct. Grasping at straws for an afterlife is no different than grasping at straws while drowning. The only difference is when the frenzied behaviour happens - the swimmer while drowning, but the religious person while fully healthy.
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I personally have a problem with "near death experiences". They all sound the same. I'm not saying they don'r exist...but I sure have my doubts.
STOP....JMO
STOP....JMO
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i'm an atheist and an army combat medic.
"tunnels", "lights", "floating sensation", all these are chemical reaction in people's brains caused by hypoxia. do not read too much into them.
imho, there's nothing after we die. it's man's vainglorious attempt to establish some sort of answer to the depressing reality of death's finality that makes us---well, you mostly---grasp onto anything that will make us feel 'special.'
enjoy life now, live it to the fullest, and if you really want something that will outlive your corporeal existence, begin a legacy of goodwill amongst your fellow men. THAT is your afterlife.
better than a tunnel full of blinding lights, i believe.
"tunnels", "lights", "floating sensation", all these are chemical reaction in people's brains caused by hypoxia. do not read too much into them.
imho, there's nothing after we die. it's man's vainglorious attempt to establish some sort of answer to the depressing reality of death's finality that makes us---well, you mostly---grasp onto anything that will make us feel 'special.'
enjoy life now, live it to the fullest, and if you really want something that will outlive your corporeal existence, begin a legacy of goodwill amongst your fellow men. THAT is your afterlife.
better than a tunnel full of blinding lights, i believe.
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pretzelman: I personally have a problem with "near death experiences". They all sound the same.
Just like descriptions of witches and alien abductions.
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Galactic_bodhi: I've discovered via my own two clinical deaths that although you are right to some degree you are also very wrong.
I died in one reality and woke up in a completely different one, subjectively.
Certain people that we're alive 12 hours before had been dead for 10 years, and various other aspects of reality were completely different, including some major differences in the world itself.
I'll not go into those.
So my question to you is, nothing beats whose reality?
I died in one reality and woke up in a completely different one, subjectively.
Certain people that we're alive 12 hours before had been dead for 10 years, and various other aspects of reality were completely different, including some major differences in the world itself.
I'll not go into those.
So my question to you is, nothing beats whose reality?
Are you saying GB, that the *present* world is the "completely different one"?
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Ambrose2007: Are you saying GB, that the *present* world is the "completely different one"?
The *present* world is the second "completely different" reality I've inhabited, yes. Completely different than the one I was born in, and completely different from the one I was revived in the first time I died.
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Galactic_bodhi: The *present* world is the second "completely different" reality I've inhabited, yes. Completely different than the one I was born in, and completely different from the one I was revived in the first time I died.
How did you "die," if you don't mind my asking. 
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Ambrose2007: How did you "die," if you don't mind my asking.
The first time was drowning, the second was from blood acidosis related to a bacterial infection.
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hornswoggled: No, the common thread is that they are all afraid of dying and didn't like the experience. So-called "near death experiences" are no more than hallucinations in the mind and misinterpreted experiences of the senses. The "bright lights" people claim to see? What happens in your eye when you push down on a closed eyelid?
Of course they are all afraid of dying and did not enjoy the experience...duh.
In any case, I'm not buying your empirical science baloney...you are only presenting the biological causes of NDEs. The common thread I mentioned still stands as told by the accounts of many individuals from all over the world. There are different stages for a NDE, and not all experience the same stage.
We are talking about supernatural experiences often undergone by individuals who have suffered apparent death and then been restored to life. Sure, the explanation today is that whenever the brain starts to be cut off from oxygen and or blood, the neurons can misfire and affect perception. Also, supposedly many experience the same "tunnel of light" and "seeing relatives or long lost memories of whatever" primarily because those sections of the brain where your "long lost relatives" memories or experiences are being affected/ damaged or shutdown during the experience.
That is a convenient explanation that is still primitive in my book. Empirical science has a lot to learn.
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matuka1: i'm an atheist and an army combat medic.
"tunnels", "lights", "floating sensation", all these are chemical reaction in people's brains caused by hypoxia. do not read too much into them.
imho, there's nothing after we die. it's man's vainglorious attempt to establish some sort of answer to the depressing reality of death's finality that makes us---well, you mostly---grasp onto anything that will make us feel 'special.'
enjoy life now, live it to the fullest, and if you really want something that will outlive your corporeal existence, begin a legacy of goodwill amongst your fellow men. THAT is your afterlife.
better than a tunnel full of blinding lights, i believe.
"tunnels", "lights", "floating sensation", all these are chemical reaction in people's brains caused by hypoxia. do not read too much into them.
imho, there's nothing after we die. it's man's vainglorious attempt to establish some sort of answer to the depressing reality of death's finality that makes us---well, you mostly---grasp onto anything that will make us feel 'special.'
enjoy life now, live it to the fullest, and if you really want something that will outlive your corporeal existence, begin a legacy of goodwill amongst your fellow men. THAT is your afterlife.
better than a tunnel full of blinding lights, i believe.
Your opinion is wrong. You just do not want to believe. The tunnel is a vortex from one vibration or reality to another.
Energy does not die bud, we are energy vibrating at a certain frequency.
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charlos: NDEs just feel very real to those who have experienced them. In fact they are fictional illusions defined as the perception of objects or scenes that are genuinely not there to all but a single observer, such as those induced by schizophrenia or a hallucinogen, more properly called hallucinations.
This is the “clinical reality” based on objective evidence, no matter what the involved person may “feel”...the human brain is not entirely reliable.
Ever heard of the body-swap effect that convinces people they inhabit a different body from their own? The experiment, in which volunteers were tricked into perceiving the bodies of other people as their own offers insights into how the brain constructs the sense of self. It also promises practical implications for treating body image disorders such as anorexia, for designing robotic technology and remote surgery tools, even for developing better virtual reality games.
No big deal buddy, you may easily become a victim of your own brain. Better to know this in advance.
This is the “clinical reality” based on objective evidence, no matter what the involved person may “feel”...the human brain is not entirely reliable.
Ever heard of the body-swap effect that convinces people they inhabit a different body from their own? The experiment, in which volunteers were tricked into perceiving the bodies of other people as their own offers insights into how the brain constructs the sense of self. It also promises practical implications for treating body image disorders such as anorexia, for designing robotic technology and remote surgery tools, even for developing better virtual reality games.
No big deal buddy, you may easily become a victim of your own brain. Better to know this in advance.
Hey Charlos! I always enjoy your input, cause it does balance out some of my thoughts and force me to cross check some things.
I'm not buying your theory. Nothing personal.
NDE's cannot be completely explained by physiological or psychological causes...take that empirical science to somebody else who is more gullible.
Consciousness can function independently of brain activity btw...
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matuka1: i'm an atheist and an army combat medic.
"tunnels", "lights", "floating sensation", all these are chemical reaction in people's brains caused by hypoxia. do not read too much into them.
imho, there's nothing after we die. it's man's vainglorious attempt to establish some sort of answer to the depressing reality of death's finality that makes us---well, you mostly---grasp onto anything that will make us feel 'special.'
enjoy life now, live it to the fullest, and if you really want something that will outlive your corporeal existence, begin a legacy of goodwill amongst your fellow men. THAT is your afterlife.
better than a tunnel full of blinding lights, i believe.
"tunnels", "lights", "floating sensation", all these are chemical reaction in people's brains caused by hypoxia. do not read too much into them.
imho, there's nothing after we die. it's man's vainglorious attempt to establish some sort of answer to the depressing reality of death's finality that makes us---well, you mostly---grasp onto anything that will make us feel 'special.'
enjoy life now, live it to the fullest, and if you really want something that will outlive your corporeal existence, begin a legacy of goodwill amongst your fellow men. THAT is your afterlife.
better than a tunnel full of blinding lights, i believe.
I have to agree that it does seem quite suspicious that these NDE survivors always seem to record having nearly identical experiences. Things like bright flashing lights and lit tunnels and feelings of warmth or floating. That makes me think that its related to the pineal gland perhaps flooding the brain with an excess of hormone to help crate a "calming effect" while the body is physically shutting down. I know we can’t really substantiate this one way or another. People are going to believe what they want and we can’t tell them that there are physiological responses at play because they will actively seek to reject that.
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charlos: NDEs just feel very real to those who have experienced them. In fact they are fictional illusions defined as the perception of objects or scenes that are genuinely not there to all but a single observer, such as those induced by schizophrenia or a hallucinogen, more properly called hallucinations.
This is the “clinical reality” based on objective evidence, no matter what the involved person may “feel”...the human brain is not entirely reliable.
Ever heard of the body-swap effect that convinces people they inhabit a different body from their own? The experiment, in which volunteers were tricked into perceiving the bodies of other people as their own offers insights into how the brain constructs the sense of self. It also promises practical implications for treating body image disorders such as anorexia, for designing robotic technology and remote surgery tools, even for developing better virtual reality games.
No big deal buddy, you may easily become a victim of your own brain. Better to know this in advance.
This is the “clinical reality” based on objective evidence, no matter what the involved person may “feel”...the human brain is not entirely reliable.
Ever heard of the body-swap effect that convinces people they inhabit a different body from their own? The experiment, in which volunteers were tricked into perceiving the bodies of other people as their own offers insights into how the brain constructs the sense of self. It also promises practical implications for treating body image disorders such as anorexia, for designing robotic technology and remote surgery tools, even for developing better virtual reality games.
No big deal buddy, you may easily become a victim of your own brain. Better to know this in advance.
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pretzelman: I personally have a problem with "near death experiences". They all sound the same. I'm not saying they don'r exist...but I sure have my doubts.STOP....JMO
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Da10th: Reminds me of those that have alien abductions...Same story because it's the accepted one.
Yes I was thinking that also. I try to keep an open mind because the reality is we just cant kill a human being and then resuscitate a half hour later to hear their story. I wish we could do that in some safe and controlled environment. Maybe we could freeze the person. These NDE generally are for very short time periods which also doesnt help lend them any credibility. Grrrr. Its frustrating.
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NDEs are no real experiences, not spiritual voyages, but a function of the dying brain. All brains, regardless of where in the world they come from, die in the same way. And that is why all NDEs have essential core elements which are the same. It is not because the dying person is traveling toward a beautiful afterlife, but because the neurotransmitters in the brain are shutting down and creating the same lovely ILLUSIONS for all who are in a near-death situation.
Not very sentimental, eh? Nothing beats reality!