Global Climate Change (72)

Apr 26, 2015 2:44 PM CST Global Climate Change
Phoenix
PhoenixPhoenixBelfast....., Antrim Ireland274 Threads 65 Polls 6,948 Posts
freeman65: P,in the last 250 years we have doubled greenhouse gas emissions. Now le chateliers principle (I know how fond of Google you are) is the first law of chemistry.

Do the maths.


I didn't do chemistry at school. But I'll take a look.
Apr 26, 2015 2:47 PM CST Global Climate Change
Phoenix
PhoenixPhoenixBelfast....., Antrim Ireland274 Threads 65 Polls 6,948 Posts
stanley8m: The rate of warming is increasing. The 20th century's last two decades were the hottest in 400 years and possibly the warmest for several millennia, according to a number of climate studies.


Stan up until mid 1800's (1865-1870) this place was coming out of a mini ice age.. It started around 1360-ish.. It lasted 400/500yrs..

stanley8m: That is the key factor Phoenix. The rate of accelerated Global Climate Warming is the warning we must heed. We have to act now.


Accelerated? So there was a mini ice age that lasted 400 odd yrs and we've just come out of it and people are surprised it's warmer.

And putting nature and independent science aside. And staying with the"UN" line of thought. The very people who create the most "green house emissions', make plastic, drill for oil & gas, leave billions of tons of space junk in space polluting that too, dump whatever in the oceans are the same people who wrote the report.

quote: Average temperatures have climbed 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 degree Celsius) around the world since 1880, much of this in recent decades, according to NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.


If people are serious about saving this rock and making life in general better for everyone.. All you have to do is take money out of the equation. Money is nothing but an incentive. It's a way to control..
Apr 26, 2015 2:54 PM CST Global Climate Change
mjpd67
mjpd67mjpd67galway, Galway Ireland181 Threads 5 Polls 6,550 Posts
Apr 26, 2015 2:55 PM CST Global Climate Change
mjpd67
mjpd67mjpd67galway, Galway Ireland181 Threads 5 Polls 6,550 Posts
for phoenix thumbs up
Apr 26, 2015 3:11 PM CST Global Climate Change
The atmosphere is only a few km thick and we are continually polluting the hell out of it and the pollutions stays there so we are effectively drowning in our crap and then we don't understand why so many people have cancer these days.
Apr 26, 2015 3:35 PM CST Global Climate Change
Phoenix
PhoenixPhoenixBelfast....., Antrim Ireland274 Threads 65 Polls 6,948 Posts
freeman65: P,in the last 250 years we have doubled greenhouse gas emissions.


And the population increase, better farming hasn't played a big part..?


freeman65: Now le chateliers principle (I know how fond of Google you are) is the first law of chemistry. Do the maths.”


I have and some don't add up. I'm meant to buy into reports about the effects a causes of "global warming" funded by NASA, UN.... Hmmmm

Read what a NASA web site has to say about Green house gases and what causes them..



Now keep in mind that NASA leave billions of ton of junk in space, spends millions on oil for rocket launches, speculating for oil to fund their program...

It says in the link that.."Well fossil fuel maybe a C02 but it isn't really that bad".

Latest (as this week) say this... and they are talking 250 yrs of data or 400 yrs but 1,000...

Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are down to ‘natural variability’, says study



Global warming hasn't happened as fast as expected, according to a new study based on 1,000 years of temperature records.

The research claims that natural variability in surface temperatures over the course of a decade can account for increases and dips in warming rates.

But it adds that these so-called 'climate wiggles' could also, in the future, cause our planet to warm up much faster than anticipated.

Apr 26, 2015 4:36 PM CST Global Climate Change
freeman65
freeman65freeman65Longford, Ireland373 Posts
Phoenix: And the population increase, better farming hasn't played a big part..?

I have and some don't add up. I'm meant to buy into reports about the effects a causes of "global warming" funded by NASA, UN.... Hmmmm

Read what a NASA web site has to say about Green house gases and what causes them..



Now keep in mind that NASA leave billions of ton of junk in space, spends millions on oil for rocket launches, speculating for oil to fund their program...

It says in the link that.."Well fossil fuel maybe a C02 but it isn't really that bad".

Latest (as this week) say this... and they are talking 250 yrs of data or 400 yrs but 1,000...

Our climate models are WRONG: Global warming has slowed - and recent changes are down to ‘natural variability’, says study



Global warming hasn't happened as fast as expected, according to a new study based on 1,000 years of temperature records.

The research claims that natural variability in surface temperatures over the course of a decade can account for increases and dips in warming rates.

But it adds that these so-called 'climate wiggles' could also, in the future, cause our planet to warm up much faster than anticipated.




P. You're floundering.
Apr 26, 2015 5:41 PM CST Global Climate Change
stanley8m
stanley8mstanley8mkildare, Kildare Ireland156 Threads 7 Polls 5,341 Posts
Orien3: The atmosphere is only a few km thick and we are continually polluting the hell out of it and the pollutions stays there so we are effectively drowning in our crap and then we don't understand why so many people have cancer these days.


Exactly, it is all part of the problem. For those who cannot accept global warming there are some basic facts, concentration of greenhouse gases, Co2 etc, don't allow radiation to dissipate effectively from the atmosphere. The build up of heat encourages ice melt which further increases the warming effect as ice and snow reflect the suns rays back out of the atmosphere, whilst darker ground will absorb the heat, and increase the temperature further. We can go on about it all day, but it cannot be denied as a factuality. Global warming and Global Climate change is happening. thumbs up
Apr 26, 2015 6:50 PM CST Global Climate Change
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
stanley8m: Uh,yeah molly, eh, good plan.



Start up a campaign Stan

Something like John and Yoko's love-in for peace grin
Apr 26, 2015 6:57 PM CST Global Climate Change
stanley8m
stanley8mstanley8mkildare, Kildare Ireland156 Threads 7 Polls 5,341 Posts
mollybaby: Start up a campaign Stan

Something like John and Yoko's love-in for peace


Maybe a more private affair would be more appropriate. grin
Apr 27, 2015 5:35 AM CST Global Climate Change
Phoenix
PhoenixPhoenixBelfast....., Antrim Ireland274 Threads 65 Polls 6,948 Posts
freeman65: P. You're floundering.


How?
May 10, 2015 12:49 PM CST Global Climate Change


Editor’s Note: Patrick Moore, Ph.D., has been a leader in international environmentalism for more than 40 years. He cofounded Greenpeace and currently serves as chair of Allow Golden Rice. Moore received the 2014 Speaks Truth to Power Award at the Ninth International Conference on Climate Change, July 8, in Las Vegas.

I am skeptical humans are the main cause of climate change and that it will be catastrophic in the near future. There is no scientific proof of this hypothesis, yet we are told “the debate is over” and “the science is settled.”

My skepticism begins with the believers’ certainty they can predict the global climate with a computer model. The entire basis for the doomsday climate change scenario is the hypothesis increased atmospheric carbon dioxide due to fossil fuel emissions will heat the Earth to unlivable temperatures.

In fact, the Earth has been warming very gradually for 300 years, since the Little Ice Age ended, long before heavy use of fossil fuels. Prior to the Little Ice Age, during the Medieval Warm Period, Vikings colonized Greenland and Newfoundland, when it was warmer there than today. And during Roman times, it was warmer, long before fossil fuels revolutionized civilization.

The idea it would be catastrophic if carbon dioxide were to increase and average global temperature were to rise a few degrees is preposterous.

Recently, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) announced for the umpteenth time we are doomed unless we reduce carbon-dioxide emissions to zero. Effectively this means either reducing the population to zero, or going back 10,000 years before humans began clearing forests for agriculture. This proposed cure is far worse than adapting to a warmer world, if it actually comes about.

IPCC Conflict of Interest

By its constitution, the IPCC has a hopeless conflict of interest. Its mandate is to consider only the human causes of global warming, not the many natural causes changing the climate for billions of years. We don’t understand the natural causes of climate change any more than we know if humans are part of the cause at present. If the IPCC did not find humans were the cause of warming, or if it found warming would be more positive than negative, there would be no need for the IPCC under its present mandate. To survive, it must find on the side of the apocalypse.

The IPCC should either have its mandate expanded to include all causes of climate change, or it should be dismantled.

Climate change has become a powerful political force for many reasons. First, it is universal; we are told everything on Earth is threatened. Second, it invokes the two most powerful human motivators: fear and guilt. We fear driving our car will kill our grandchildren, and we feel guilty for doing it.

Third, there is a powerful convergence of interests among key elites that support the climate “narrative.” Environmentalists spread fear and raise donations; politicians appear to be saving the Earth from doom; the media has a field day with sensation and conflict; science institutions raise billions in grants, create whole new departments, and stoke a feeding frenzy of scary scenarios; business wants to look green, and get huge public subsidies for projects that would otherwise be economic losers, such as wind farms and solar arrays. Fourth, the Left sees climate change as a perfect means to redistribute wealth from industrial countries to the developing world and the UN bureaucracy.
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