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Mar 12, 2012 1:08 PM CSTIS THE POLITICS OF RTE?
MarsMan
MarsManMarsManBobbing along, Cork, Ireland29 Threads 8 Polls 981 Posts

IS THE POLITICS OF RTE?(Vote Below)

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LEFT AND LIBERAL
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CONSERVATIVE AND RIGHT WING
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BALANCE IS CORRECT
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The Minster for Mouth.....oh sorry....Transport, Leo Varadkar, has come out with what I consider one of his most unbelievable statements yet, that RTE has a "bias towards being left and liberal,"

So what do you think?
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Mar 12, 2012 1:19 PM CST IS THE POLITICS OF RTE?
dantes85
dantes85dantes85Westmeath, Ireland10 Threads 3 Polls 363 Posts
MarsMan: The Minster for Mouth.....oh sorry....Transport, Leo Varadkar, has come out with what I consider one of his most unbelievable statements yet, that RTE has a "bias towards being left and liberal,"

So what do you think?


Where's the "irrelevant" button in the poll? Rte seldom gives people the whole story. It's all state funded anyway, so just click the button that best describes the current government, at least, in the light they wish to be portrayed. dunno
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Mar 12, 2012 1:31 PM CST IS THE POLITICS OF RTE?
scriobhneoir
scriobhneoirscriobhneoirCork, Ireland85 Threads 2 Polls 3,276 Posts
Am I the only one worried that a cabinet minister gave an incorrect American definition of liberal? The type of politics that the yanks refer to as liberal is Social Democratic here.
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Mar 12, 2012 2:46 PM CST IS THE POLITICS OF RTE?
Godsgift
GodsgiftGodsgiftEnnis, Clare Ireland251 Threads 13 Polls 10,040 Posts
I take it that this is in light of the fake tweet which wrecked yer man's chances of becoming president.

I have no bias here being a non Irish national so I wouldn't have any ideas about the personalities involved.....BUT.....I remember thinking at the time that the decision had been made in the early stages that Michael D. Higgins was to win and that anyone threatening that position would be discredited.

Initially David Norris was streets ahead so the dredged up an incident from his past and had that not worked, I'm sure they had plenty more to hand.

Then when Seán Gallagher was streets ahead of everyone the fake tweet was announced and Sean's chances scuppered.

I still remember the smug look on Martin McGuinness's face which is a shame as I was starting to warm towards him having been told by the BBC that he was the enemy since 1969.

What it does tell me is that Adams, McGuinness et al will do anything for power including subverting democracy and that is not good news for Ireland in these troubled times. We badly need some real statesmen.

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Mar 12, 2012 3:05 PM CST IS THE POLITICS OF RTE?
So the RA are running rte then laugh isn't rte run by a board appointed by the Government? which makes them biased in favour of the FG/Labour coalition whichever side it falls on left or right who cares its a government organisation
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Mar 12, 2012 3:12 PM CST IS THE POLITICS OF RTE?
scriobhneoir
scriobhneoirscriobhneoirCork, Ireland85 Threads 2 Polls 3,276 Posts
MarsMan: The Minster for Mouth.....oh sorry....Transport, Leo Varadkar, has come out with what I consider one of his most unbelievable statements yet, that RTE has a "bias towards being left and liberal,"

So what do you think?


I'm not so sure about that GG. Norris was never going to win or even come close. He had a false lead in the polls for being a celebrity, but this is still too much of a backwards nation to electa gay president. Undoubtedly there was a campaign against him, but not sure if that was by RTE as such. As for Gallagher, the central allegation was basically correct, the timeline was slightly out, but he did collect money off a business man for FF. That the source was from a morryah twitter account or whatever is neither here nor there. Gallagher's reaction showed that he knew he had plenty FF related skeletons in his closet. He wouldn't have beaten Michael D anyway, although I suppose it did remove whatever slight chance he had.

After 14 years with a bad president I certainly won't cry any tears that we were spared 7 years of an ever worse one.
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Mar 12, 2012 3:17 PM CST IS THE POLITICS OF RTE?
MarsMan
MarsManMarsManBobbing along, Cork Ireland29 Threads 8 Polls 981 Posts
dantes85: Where's the "irrelevant" button in the poll? Rte seldom gives people the whole story. It's all state funded anyway, so just click the button that best describes the current government, at least, in the light they wish to be portrayed.


And since every government since the foundation of the state has been dominated by right wing conservative politics, it stands to reason that the boards of RTE have always been right wing and conservative.
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Mar 12, 2012 3:47 PM CST IS THE POLITICS OF RTE?
Godsgift: I take it that this is in light of the fake tweet which wrecked yer man's chances of becoming president.

I have no bias here being a non Irish national so I wouldn't have any ideas about the personalities involved.....BUT.....I remember thinking at the time that the decision had been made in the early stages that Michael D. Higgins was to win and that anyone threatening that position would be discredited.

Initially David Norris was streets ahead so the dredged up an incident from his past and had that not worked, I'm sure they had plenty more to hand.

The BBC was right!

Then when Seán Gallagher was streets ahead of everyone the fake tweet was announced and Sean's chances scuppered.

I still remember the smug look on Martin McGuinness's face which is a shame as I was starting to warm towards him having been told by the BBC that he was the enemy since 1969.

What it does tell me is that Adams, McGuinness et al will do anything for power including subverting democracy and that is not good news for Ireland in these troubled times. We badly need some real statesmen.
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Mar 12, 2012 3:51 PM CST IS THE POLITICS OF RTE?
Godsgift
GodsgiftGodsgiftEnnis, Clare Ireland251 Threads 13 Polls 10,040 Posts
scriobhneoir: I'm not so sure about that GG. Norris was never going to win or even come close. He had a false lead in the polls for being a celebrity, but this is still too much of a backwards nation to electa gay president. Undoubtedly there was a campaign against him, but not sure if that was by RTE as such. As for Gallagher, the central allegation was basically correct, the timeline was slightly out, but he did collect money off a business man for FF. That the source was from a morryah twitter account or whatever is neither here nor there. Gallagher's reaction showed that he knew he had plenty FF related skeletons in his closet. He wouldn't have beaten Michael D anyway, although I suppose it did remove whatever slight chance he had.

After 14 years with a bad president I certainly won't cry any tears that we were spared 7 years of an ever worse one.


Hi Scribs. Did McGuiness not claim to have evidence of money changing hands and the name of the person who gave it. I'll grant you Gallagher didn't do himself any favours talking about sealed envelopes. conversing
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Mar 12, 2012 4:01 PM CST IS THE POLITICS OF RTE?
dantes85
dantes85dantes85Westmeath, Ireland10 Threads 3 Polls 363 Posts
MarsMan: And since every government since the foundation of the state has been dominated by right wing conservative politics, it stands to reason that the boards of RTE have always been right wing and conservative.


It depends. I could dip my toe in the ocean and then tell everyone I'm sopping wet if I wanted.

RTE will "conserve" their budget. I don't rate them much as a channel, news or otherwise. Watching other international news programmes, I've seen reports that RTE leaves out.

Watching a Russian news channel during the recent situation in Libya - a report was broadcast stating that Rebels had made a deal with the Western Allies - America, France and Britain, - in return for airstrikes on Libyan positions, they would get 50% of the oil exports when the Rebels took over in government.

Watched RTE news that day - nothing. Guys smiling and waving AKs and some people swimming in the ocean. Fluff. Next day the same. Don't remember hearing anything else about that deal until weeks later when Gadaffi was dead. There was some quick mention of "helping the Libyan people get their oil industry functioning again".

Now we have Sarkozy stating publicly that the West have to "help the Syrian people by providing them with air support". laugh There's talk about Russia and China opposing the uprising, but little mention of the actual reason. Basically, Russia and China have big oil interests in Syria, and now the West wants it. They'll achieve that by supporting an uprising in Syria and installing a new government in return for oil interests - same as Lybia.

Now, anyone, disagree away if you want, but has anyone seen any of that on RTE? Media has to be independent by it's very nature, a supposedly impartial news channel funded by a state is a paradox and a major conflict of interests. So we know through RTE, most of the time, that something is going on somewhere, but the details and reasons are often left out.
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Mar 12, 2012 4:35 PM CST IS THE POLITICS OF RTE?
Losty
LostyLostyDublin, Ireland138 Threads 2 Polls 3,089 Posts
dantes85: Rte seldom gives people the whole story. It's all state funded anyway...


Incorrect; RTE is not State funded. RTE is funded via Licence Fees (which is directly paid for by us to ) and by ad revenue. No taxpayers funds go into the station, RTE being completely independent and stands alone from the Government since 1960 handshake
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Mar 12, 2012 4:56 PM CST IS THE POLITICS OF RTE?
dantes85
dantes85dantes85Westmeath, Ireland10 Threads 3 Polls 363 Posts
Losty: Incorrect; RTE is not State funded. RTE is funded via Licence Fees (which is directly paid for by us to ) and by ad revenue. No taxpayers funds go into the station, RTE being completely independent and stands alone from the Government since 1960



"Currently, approximately 50% of RTE´’s revenue is derived from the Licence Fee and approximately 50% from commercial income. Some of RTE´’s activities receive complete public funding, some receive limited public funding and some receive no public funding."

Look up Broadcasting Authority of Ireland (replaced RTE Authority), formed as a result of the Broadcasting Act 2009. Who nominated and appointed the people who form that committee?

Also keep in mind that the TV license is reviewed by the government each year, which gives the government the power to increase or decrease part of RTEs funding. Or in other words, leverage. handshake
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Mar 12, 2012 5:09 PM CST IS THE POLITICS OF RTE?
Losty
LostyLostyDublin, Ireland138 Threads 2 Polls 3,089 Posts
Public Funding in that case is grant aid which would go towards towards things such as the orchestras from the Arts Council or Sound and Vision funding. It is certainly not exchequer funding nor is it money to form policy or news as you seem to think. Indeed, if you knew anything about broadcasting in Ireland which you don't seem to, then the first thing you'd know is that RTE is legendary for it's alleged anti government and editorial slant. True, the BAI now are over RTE but that is do with it it overseeing regulation of broadcasting as a whole and not as a management of RTE or indeed any station.
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Mar 12, 2012 5:31 PM CST IS THE POLITICS OF RTE?
dantes85
dantes85dantes85Westmeath, Ireland10 Threads 3 Polls 363 Posts
dantes85: Well I don't work in broadcasting, so my opinion is impartial. Perhaps you do?

Critical of the government in the fashion of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.

The BAI have the power to grant licenses to stations, shut down stations, and challenge the broadcast of material deemed inappropriate. You didn't say who nominates and appoints that council of 9 people?
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Mar 12, 2012 5:34 PM CST IS THE POLITICS OF RTE?
Losty
LostyLostyDublin, Ireland138 Threads 2 Polls 3,089 Posts
dantes85: Well I don't work in broadcasting, so my opinion is impartial. Perhaps you do?

Critical of the government in the fashion of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.

The BAI have the power to grant licenses to stations, shut down stations, and challenge the broadcast of material deemed inappropriate. You didn't say who nominates and appoints that council of 9 people?


Impartial implies that you are informed in this matter wink
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Mar 12, 2012 5:41 PM CST IS THE POLITICS OF RTE?
In fairness to RTE, they don't seem to pick sides when it comes to owning Politicians or bringing them down. I agree with losty that they have been legendary over the years in that way. Charlie Bird et al have done great work for Investigative Journalism in this country and set the benchmark for it. I don't think RTE would hold back on any story whether it was FG, Lab, or even FF. They'd tear them to shreds none the less.

But, as concerning social issues, I do find them a little, to borrow the American Phraseology, "liberal" and a bit left. But many media ARE liberal and left and is not the preserve of Ireland. Most media in the UK and Europe is liberal and left.
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Mar 12, 2012 5:42 PM CST IS THE POLITICS OF RTE?
sharmini
sharminisharminidublin, Dublin Ireland83 Threads 1 Polls 2,918 Posts
"What it does tell me is that Adams, McGuinness et al will do anything for power including subverting democracy and that is not good news for Ireland in these troubled times. We badly need some real statesmen."

Fully agree with that sentiment. However, I have little sympathy for Sean Gallagher. He saw how every other candidates had issues from their past thrown up in their faces. Was he niaive or arrogant to think that no one would have a peep in his closet? he hung himself with his blustering, blubbering retorts. All it showed me was that the election for him was all about him and him only. Dont think the Aras would have been big enough for his ego. And now, hes still making it about himself.....so who stole his lollipop?!
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Mar 12, 2012 5:56 PM CST IS THE POLITICS OF RTE?
dantes85
dantes85dantes85Westmeath, Ireland10 Threads 3 Polls 363 Posts
Losty: Impartial implies that you are informed in this matter


Impartial? Not by my dictionary. Perhaps mine is not the "informed" edition.

Speaking of informed, the independence of RTE you refer to is defunct. It is independence with a limit and some governmental oversight. But you have sidestepped any points that indicate that.

Speaking of sidestepping, who was it that nominates and appoints the 9 members of the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland? But then again, the fact that those people are government nominated and appointed disproves your point. So I see why you left that part out.
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Mar 12, 2012 6:04 PM CST IS THE POLITICS OF RTE?
Losty
LostyLostyDublin, Ireland138 Threads 2 Polls 3,089 Posts
No, I left it out because it is irrelevant to what I corrected you on; that being the point that RTE don't receive tax as part of it's income.

If you have issues with or questions about RTE, it's editorial policy or any links it has with the Government then perhaps you should write to their Director General or to the BAI.
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Mar 12, 2012 6:25 PM CST IS THE POLITICS OF RTE?
dantes85
dantes85dantes85Westmeath, Ireland10 Threads 3 Polls 363 Posts
Losty: No, I left it out because it is irrelevant to what I corrected you on; that being the point that RTE don't receive tax as part of it's income.

If you have issues with or questions about RTE, it's editorial policy or any links it has with the Government then perhaps you should write to their Director General or to the BAI.


Well in fairness, tax or not tax in this case is not really distinct. It is not called or classed as a tax, but the amount is set by the government, collected by a state body, the contribution is compulsory, not voluntary - and non payments can result in court and fines, and people who do not watch RTE, or TV are expected to pay anyway. (That part was updated recently)

In addition, the TV license in Britain has been re-classed as a tax - which incurs tax evasion penalties on non payment. You may consider that separate to Irish policy, but historically alot of our policy changes closely mirror British ones - point being that it may be classed as a tax here soon.

So the TV license has almost all the characteristics of a tax, but is not classified as one on paper yet. So really, it comes down to semantics.

Thank you for RTEs contact information. But I'd rather not contact them, or view their programming. Maybe you could write to them lad, tell them I said hello if you want.
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