Can a real Christian be pro-choice? (30)
Of course a Christian can be pro-choice. The dogma and literature pre-dates contraception in the modern sense, so any restriction based on theology is purely an interpretation of the texts, and can be considered arbitrary, or even paternalistic.
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Yes.
Pro-Choice = Free Will
Its part of the pact we have with god.
No free will? No choice to worship god.
I choose to do what is right and moral. I am not a robot programmed by the creator to carry out predestined tasks and
Our world is grey all over.
We have to find it in ourselves to do what is right all the time. You have to have a choice.
Even if it is to do the wrongest thing evar.
What kinda christian goes around proud to be anti-choice?
Pro-Choice = Free Will
Its part of the pact we have with god.
No free will? No choice to worship god.
I choose to do what is right and moral. I am not a robot programmed by the creator to carry out predestined tasks and
Our world is grey all over.
We have to find it in ourselves to do what is right all the time. You have to have a choice.
Even if it is to do the wrongest thing evar.
What kinda christian goes around proud to be anti-choice?
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simpledeed: What kinda christian goes around proud to be anti-choice?
One who has actually read the Bible.
I am not Christian, BTW. I have, however, studied the Bible.
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Bronze33: Can a real Christian have pro-choice beliefs?
You can be a Christian and not be a perfect human. Though people will have conflicting opinions, there are many things that people do that are not Christ like and yet are still Christians...I imagine that the question above of having "pro-choice" beliefs in itself is going to be and has been interpreted in different degrees. If a person gives into some Animal Magnetic urge and were to do something not becoming of what that person strives to be, are they still a Christian? I think so, I also think that person is the one that will be dealing with it and since we are talking about the person being a "Christian" then I would say it is also their relationship with GOD and so that is going to be between GOD and the individual.
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Nikogas: You can be a Christian and not be a perfect human.
This is correct, but one is supposed to aspire to perfection and do one's utmost to live a sinless life.
Hence, calling yourself a Christian is not a licence to sin.
The end point of the licence to sin mentality was the selling of indulgences by the mediaeval Catholic Church, which led to the Reformation and the creation of the protestant churches.
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Carl96190: This is correct, but one is supposed to aspire to perfection and do one's utmost to live a sinless life.
Hence, calling yourself a Christian is not a licence to sin.
The end point of the licence to sin mentality was the selling of indulgences by the mediaeval Catholic Church, which led to the Reformation and the creation of the protestant churches.
Hence, calling yourself a Christian is not a licence to sin.
The end point of the licence to sin mentality was the selling of indulgences by the mediaeval Catholic Church, which led to the Reformation and the creation of the protestant churches.
I agree Carl, In fact I have had some pretty intense, yet short discussions with a good friend that was using his Christianity to justify some behavior that was definitely "NOT" ok. I know he still believes in what he told me, but I have noticed he has made some changes for "good", so maybe he is coming around to some common sense..
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Carl96190: This is correct, but one is supposed to aspire to perfection and do one's utmost to live a sinless life.
Hence, calling yourself a Christian is not a licence to sin.
The end point of the licence to sin mentality was the selling of indulgences by the mediaeval Catholic Church, which led to the Reformation and the creation of the protestant churches.
Hence, calling yourself a Christian is not a licence to sin.
The end point of the licence to sin mentality was the selling of indulgences by the mediaeval Catholic Church, which led to the Reformation and the creation of the protestant churches.
True however, the main precept of Christianity is forgiveness. If one strays, you are still a Christian albeit a flawed one and, where is it stated what sins or how many times result in you having God turn his back on your soul. There was a guy who had very broad shoulders that took the responsibility for every body's sins with the caveat that those who wished to partake only had to take him into their hearts.
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Albertaghost: True however, the main precept of Christianity is forgiveness. If one strays, you are still a Christian albeit a flawed one and, where is it stated what sins or how many times result in you having God turn his back on your soul. There was a guy who had very broad shoulders that took the responsibility for every body's sins with the caveat that those who wished to partake only had to take him into their hearts.
No one said it was, did they Albert???
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Albertaghost: True however, the main precept of Christianity is forgiveness. If one strays, you are still a Christian albeit a flawed one and, where is it stated what sins or how many times result in you having God turn his back on your soul. There was a guy who had very broad shoulders that took the responsibility for every body's sins with the caveat that those who wished to partake only had to take him into their hearts.
That is a dangerous path to go down. It leads to a mindset in which people think that they have a licence to sin, so long as they beg forgiveness later.
Sin is a choice. It is a conscious decision. Do not expect God to look kindly upon it.
In Christian theology God knows the difference between an honest heart and one that belongs to a person who thinks that baptism grants them a licence to sin without consequences.
A wilful sin that is not followed by genuine repentance damns the soul for eternity.
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Carl96190: That is a dangerous path to go down. It leads to a mindset in which people think that they have a licence to sin, so long as they beg forgiveness later.
Sin is a choice. It is a conscious decision. Do not expect God to look kindly upon it.
In Christian theology God knows the difference between an honest heart and one that belongs to a person who thinks that baptism grants them a licence to sin without consequences.
A wilful sin that is not followed by genuine repentance damns the soul for eternity.
Sin is a choice. It is a conscious decision. Do not expect God to look kindly upon it.
In Christian theology God knows the difference between an honest heart and one that belongs to a person who thinks that baptism grants them a licence to sin without consequences.
A wilful sin that is not followed by genuine repentance damns the soul for eternity.
ok,,so is that part I highlighted your personal belief ??
Just keeping this all straight in my mind.
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Nikogas: ok,,so is that part I highlighted your personal belief ??
Just keeping this all straight in my mind.
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Just keeping this all straight in my mind.
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No, that is in the New Testament.
When I get time later, I will look up the relevant scriptures.
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Nikogas: ok,,so is that part I highlighted your personal belief ??
Just keeping this all straight in my mind.
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Just keeping this all straight in my mind.
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Follow this link to a page of references, all of which show that the forgiveness of sin is always preceded by repentance.
No genuine repentance . . . no forgiveness. Wearing a badge that says Christian is not a licence to sin.
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Or you God or do you only think that you are God?
Carl96190: No, that is in the New Testament.
When I get time later, I will look up the relevant scriptures.
When I get time later, I will look up the relevant scriptures.
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Carl96190: No, that is in the New Testament.
When I get time later, I will look up the relevant scriptures.
When I get time later, I will look up the relevant scriptures.
I don't have a argument, my question like I think the poll was just what our individual opinions were/are.
That was my only reason for asking. I am aware that people have all kinds of material, but like I said, just wondering if that was your own opinion...not my place to judge.
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Class5: Perhaps, but that in no way answers my question.
Ooops, I'm sorry. I thought the purpose of my thread was to answer my question. 
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Bronze33: Ooops, I'm sorry. I thought the purpose of my thread was to answer my question.
Helps if you as the OP answer the points put to you though. Care to give an answer?
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Bronze33: Can a real Christian have pro-choice beliefs?
1. Can a real Christian say anyone who doesn't agree with them is going to hell?
2. Can a real Christian gossip?
3. Can a real Christian smoke cigarettes?
4. Can a real Christian eat too much and get fat?
5. Can a real Christian be angry at a friend or relative?
6. Can a real Christian swear?
7. Can a real Christian be perfect?
8. Can a real Christian be gay?
9. Can a real Christian have more kids than he/she can afford, and expect society to pick up the tab?
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patmac: Helps if you as the OP answer the points put to you though. Care to give an answer?
I agree 100% with Carl, though I am very interested in what everyone thinks and why they think it. I decided to ask this question after hearing about a group that claims to be both religious and pro-choice. I wondered if that would even be possible 
I appreciate everyone's input 
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Bronze33: I agree 100% with Carl, though I am very interested in what everyone thinks and why they think it. I decided to ask this question after hearing about a group that claims to be both religious and pro-choice. I wondered if that would even be possible I appreciate everyone's input
Very hard to agree with Carl as he has yet to post all the proof of his statements.
I cannot support some one who "quotes somthing" and then does not produce the evidence.
I did ask him to post the link or proof.
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Bronze33: Oops, my pet got in the way and I didn't add the quote properly.
So you would claas yourself as "not pro choice"
Fine and dandy it is always your perogative.
But by choosing not to support the need for women to choose, have you not made a choice?
The right one for you, but as I said it is always up to the individual to choose.
You choose not to others choose different so anyway you look at it
It is always a choice.
And always should be each individual has their own choice to make and it will always be their choice not mine,yours or any legislature.
Neither choice is right or wrong it is a personal choice.
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patmac: So you would claas yourself as "not pro choice"
Fine and dandy it is always your perogative.
But by choosing not to support the need for women to choose, have you not made a choice?
The right one for you, but as I said it is always up to the individual to choose.
You choose not to others choose different so anyway you look at it
It is always a choice.
And always should be each individual has their own choice to make and it will always be their choice not mine,yours or any legislature.
Neither choice is right or wrong it is a personal choice.
You like having the last word, don't you Fine and dandy it is always your perogative.
But by choosing not to support the need for women to choose, have you not made a choice?
The right one for you, but as I said it is always up to the individual to choose.
You choose not to others choose different so anyway you look at it
It is always a choice.
And always should be each individual has their own choice to make and it will always be their choice not mine,yours or any legislature.
Neither choice is right or wrong it is a personal choice.
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YES.
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Bronze33: Ooops, I'm sorry. I thought the purpose of my thread was to answer my question.
If that's the way you want it, I'm 'Pro-Choice' because the world is not black & white and some ancient text that only has relevance for the believers in the prescribed dogma, should in no way govern the right of a woman to choose what to do with her body.
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Bronze33: Can a real Christian have pro-choice beliefs?
of course, christians believe everyone has Free Will, therefore I can make my own choices and others can make their choices. Regardless of whether that choice follows christian rules, the choice is always their to be made be free will.
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Class5: If that's the way you want it, I'm 'Pro-Choice' because the world is not black & white and some ancient text that only has relevance for the believers in the prescribed dogma, should in no way govern the right of a woman to choose what to do with her body.
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what is "A REAL" Christian?
And who owns that Label to bestow on Believers?
The Pope?
The Myriad Quacks calling themselves "Evangelists" while making Millions of Bucks from their Sheep?
Or is it Johnny Q.trying to live an Ethical Life to the best of his ability?
And who owns that Label to bestow on Believers?
The Pope?
The Myriad Quacks calling themselves "Evangelists" while making Millions of Bucks from their Sheep?
Or is it Johnny Q.trying to live an Ethical Life to the best of his ability?
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Conrad73: what is "A REAL" Christian?
And who owns that Label to bestow on Believers?
The Pope?
The Myriad Quacks calling themselves "Evangelists" while making Millions of Bucks from their Sheep?
Or is it Johnny Q.trying to live an Ethical Life to the best of his ability?
Can't deny those are ALL good questions, but they are not the focus of this thread.And who owns that Label to bestow on Believers?
The Pope?
The Myriad Quacks calling themselves "Evangelists" while making Millions of Bucks from their Sheep?
Or is it Johnny Q.trying to live an Ethical Life to the best of his ability?
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Bronze33: Can't deny those are ALL good questions, but they are not the focus of this thread.
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