Which Payments should be cut to save money and what shouldnt be touched (175)
Cut the dole..its far too much..188 a week for doing nothing is madness..any wonder why the country is in such a mess when the government are giving that much money away to dossers...100 euro a week is enough for any job seeker..that'll stop the scumbags drinking it in the pubs and gambling it away in the bookies
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whitepaws: With more savings to be made and the talk of Thurles Hospital closing and People with intellectual Disabilities having their funding cut i was wondering if you had to , which would you cut to keep the other services payments going Or is there something we havent thought of ...
The "elephant" in the room is the Public Sector. We will either have to cut wages or jobs there.
Other areas can be looked at. Child benefit can be means tested!
We could save huge money by bringing in a negative tax rate. But this will never happen. Public sector will block a move like this.
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mr1983: The "elephant" in the room is the Public Sector. We will either have to cut wages or jobs there.
Other areas can be looked at. Child benefit can be means tested!
We could save huge money by bringing in a negative tax rate. But this will never happen. Public sector will block a move like this.
Other areas can be looked at. Child benefit can be means tested!
We could save huge money by bringing in a negative tax rate. But this will never happen. Public sector will block a move like this.
The public sector also includes Nurses Cops Firemen Coast Guard etc , so how far do you cut
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whitepaws: The public sector also includes Nurses Cops Firemen Coast Guard etc , so how far do you cut
It also includes quangos and nonsense public sector bodies. At least 80% of our education budget is spent on staff wages. That doesn't bode well for our "supposed" knowledgeable economy! Also includes ridiculous bonus and pension schemes!
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whitepaws: Did you used to work in JoBoro maret on a sunday
no never..sure that place is dead nowadays..and I remember a time when you couldn't move in the place it was always that packed..the peace process ruined it..sure them provos were running the whole lot
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mr1983: It also includes quangos and nonsense public sector bodies. At least 80% of our education budget is spent on staff wages. That doesn't bode well for our "supposed" knowledgeable economy! Also includes ridiculous bonus and pension schemes!
Your far more knowledgable than myself in this matter so im going to ask a simple question ....
How do we find out how much the top dogs in the civil service or now public/private banks get in bonuses
Is there a web link
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whitepaws: Your far more knowledgable than myself in this matter so im going to ask a simple question ....
How do we find out how much the top dogs in the civil service or now public/private banks get in bonuses
Is there a web link
How do we find out how much the top dogs in the civil service or now public/private banks get in bonuses
Is there a web link
Not too sure. They probably can be accessed through the proper departments,etc. Probably under something like the Freedom of Information Act.
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I understand that cuts are needed....however we have the wrong attitude in this country of putting the cart before the horse.
No point in cutting allowances if there arent adequate training options out there for the unemployed to do.
I for one and sick and tired of my local employment officer telling me there are no courses she can put me down for.
I am down for one.....same one as twice last year. This years course date has been pushed back another 2 months.....and probably will be cancelled again. Til then its online ones and even they have been reduced.
Again with the changing of the one parent family payments they made in the last budget.....without adequate and affordable childcare more and more families will be pushed into the poverty trap.
Child benefit should be means tested anyway but I am not sure just how much that would save.
No point in cutting allowances if there arent adequate training options out there for the unemployed to do.
I for one and sick and tired of my local employment officer telling me there are no courses she can put me down for.
I am down for one.....same one as twice last year. This years course date has been pushed back another 2 months.....and probably will be cancelled again. Til then its online ones and even they have been reduced.
Again with the changing of the one parent family payments they made in the last budget.....without adequate and affordable childcare more and more families will be pushed into the poverty trap.
Child benefit should be means tested anyway but I am not sure just how much that would save.
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cut nothing
means test everything
means test everything
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Mariannette: I understand that cuts are needed....however we have the wrong attitude in this country of putting the cart before the horse.
No point in cutting allowances if there arent adequate training options out there for the unemployed to do.
I for one and sick and tired of my local employment officer telling me there are no courses she can put me down for.
I am down for one.....same one as twice last year. This years course date has been pushed back another 2 months.....and probably will be cancelled again. Til then its online ones and even they have been reduced.
Again with the changing of the one parent family payments they made in the last budget.....without adequate and affordable childcare more and more families will be pushed into the poverty trap.
Child benefit should be means tested anyway but I am not sure just how much that would save.
No point in cutting allowances if there arent adequate training options out there for the unemployed to do.
I for one and sick and tired of my local employment officer telling me there are no courses she can put me down for.
I am down for one.....same one as twice last year. This years course date has been pushed back another 2 months.....and probably will be cancelled again. Til then its online ones and even they have been reduced.
Again with the changing of the one parent family payments they made in the last budget.....without adequate and affordable childcare more and more families will be pushed into the poverty trap.
Child benefit should be means tested anyway but I am not sure just how much that would save.
Means-testing child benefit is a good way to safe-guard those who really need it. Problem here arises with Labour.
Simple fact of all this is that cuts have to be made. We can complain all we want about this and bank bail-outs and stuff but cuts must be made. The State can't keep borrowing 20billion a year. Whether we raise taxes or cut spending, the effect is the same. For every billion euro taking out of the economy, approx. 20,000 jobs will be lost.
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With more savings to be made and the talk of Thurles Hospital closing and People with intellectual Disabilities having their funding cut i was wondering if you had to , which would you cut to keep the other services payments going Or is there something we havent thought of ...[/quot
I will prob get murdered for this but i think the widows/widowers pension should be cut for workers, for example when i got divorced i didnt get an allowance but if i killed him i would have gotten widows pension. My ex partner has a job with wages of over 800e every week and still gets wodowers pension and he has no dependents while i work and cos im divorced i get no benefits. Maybe i didnt word it right and it might sound harsh but someone may understand it.
I will prob get murdered for this but i think the widows/widowers pension should be cut for workers, for example when i got divorced i didnt get an allowance but if i killed him i would have gotten widows pension. My ex partner has a job with wages of over 800e every week and still gets wodowers pension and he has no dependents while i work and cos im divorced i get no benefits. Maybe i didnt word it right and it might sound harsh but someone may understand it.
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filly63: With more savings to be made and the talk of Thurles Hospital closing and People with intellectual Disabilities having their funding cut i was wondering if you had to , which would you cut to keep the other services payments going Or is there something we havent thought of ...[/quot
I will prob get murdered for this but i think the widows/widowers pension should be cut for workers, for example when i got divorced i didnt get an allowance but if i killed him i would have gotten widows pension. My ex partner has a job with wages of over 800e every week and still gets wodowers pension and he has no dependents while i work and cos im divorced i get no benefits. Maybe i didnt word it right and it might sound harsh but someone may understand it.
I will prob get murdered for this but i think the widows/widowers pension should be cut for workers, for example when i got divorced i didnt get an allowance but if i killed him i would have gotten widows pension. My ex partner has a job with wages of over 800e every week and still gets wodowers pension and he has no dependents while i work and cos im divorced i get no benefits. Maybe i didnt word it right and it might sound harsh but someone may understand it.
I'd prefer to cut pensions for people who never worked a day in their lives, to be honest!
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The OAP has been left untouched in this recession, we have an ageing population and it is financially reckless to keep unrealistic and unaffordable OAP rates the way they are at the moment. The joke park deal will have to be abolished but as Labour are in government that will not happen, the lone parent family payment should be phased out, when should the government have to compensate people for relationship or marital breakdown, my ex has always worked since our relationship ended. Chile bednefit should be means tested also.
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kennyfromdublin: The OAP has been left untouched in this recession, we have an ageing population and it is financially reckless to keep unrealistic and unaffordable OAP rates the way they are at the moment. The joke park deal will have to be abolished but as Labour are in government that will not happen, the lone parent family payment should be phased out, when should the government have to compensate people for relationship or marital breakdown, my ex has always worked since our relationship ended. Chile bednefit should be means tested also.
Agree completely with all of the above. I'd leave the OAP last of all though. Most of these people have worked all their lives and have been screwed by the State over that time so I'd fight for that above anything else.
Croke Park served it's main purpose. No major strikes. Time now to blow it out of the water.
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u work the lone parent situation on the premise that everyone in the situation is in same one as ur ex, u cannot work a system on one woman and her one child as an example
simple fact is...parents who have been married or in a relationship arent all able to work as before..as childcare would cost more than the earnings
u take a married woman with 3 kids working part time (around hubbys hours lets say)
he leaves..and absconds from the country..even at full time with her job she cant afford to live and pay childcare.
she is raising 3 future taxpayers..she is not of the mind of screw the state n get everything i want..
the OAP and medical card issue should be means tested..as should child benefit.
simple fact is...parents who have been married or in a relationship arent all able to work as before..as childcare would cost more than the earnings
u take a married woman with 3 kids working part time (around hubbys hours lets say)
he leaves..and absconds from the country..even at full time with her job she cant afford to live and pay childcare.
she is raising 3 future taxpayers..she is not of the mind of screw the state n get everything i want..
the OAP and medical card issue should be means tested..as should child benefit.
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none of your opinions really matter because
the government are going to cut whatever they
like regardless of this thread
sorry for being blunt but thats just the way the cookie crumbles
the government are going to cut whatever they
like regardless of this thread
sorry for being blunt but thats just the way the cookie crumbles
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WadeWilson: cut nothing
means test everything
means test everything
I agree with you 100%
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royallee: I agree with you 100%
Massive problem with means-testing is that the layer of public servants it will take to do this will erode any potential savings. I like the idea of means-testing but the cost will be enormous. Again I come back to the negative income tax idea. It incentivises work and also makes sure that people on the lowest incomes are looked after. The best thing about this is that the cost of public servants also is reduced massively. The worst thing is that the public sector unions will never accept this.
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fifitheminx: u work the lone parent situation on the premise that everyone in the situation is in same one as ur ex, u cannot work a system on one woman and her one child as an example
simple fact is...parents who have been married or in a relationship arent all able to work as before..as childcare would cost more than the earnings
u take a married woman with 3 kids working part time (around hubbys hours lets say)
he leaves..and absconds from the country..even at full time with her job she cant afford to live and pay childcare.
she is raising 3 future taxpayers..she is not of the mind of screw the state n get everything i want..
the OAP and medical card issue should be means tested..as should child benefit.
simple fact is...parents who have been married or in a relationship arent all able to work as before..as childcare would cost more than the earnings
u take a married woman with 3 kids working part time (around hubbys hours lets say)
he leaves..and absconds from the country..even at full time with her job she cant afford to live and pay childcare.
she is raising 3 future taxpayers..she is not of the mind of screw the state n get everything i want..
the OAP and medical card issue should be means tested..as should child benefit.
Again this is a view from the worst case scenario. How many men just abscond and decide not to pay maintenance,etc?
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TEASE: none of your opinions really matter because
the government are going to cut whatever they
like regardless of this thread
sorry for being blunt but thats just the way the cookie crumbles
the government are going to cut whatever they
like regardless of this thread
sorry for being blunt but thats just the way the cookie crumbles
No problems tease, I just thought id see if people have the same thoughts as myself ....Ive said before... im not working and struggle but if you told me Irish kids and irish disabled people or Irish people on trollies would be better looked after if i had my money cut even further then Hell yeh cut my welfare even more and ill curse and ill shout but i will cope ..
note I use the term Irish to emphasis that its the local communities and people on our doorstaps that are the ones who are struggling
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TEASE: none of your opinions really matter because
the government are going to cut whatever they
like regardless of this thread
sorry for being blunt but thats just the way the cookie crumbles
the government are going to cut whatever they
like regardless of this thread
sorry for being blunt but thats just the way the cookie crumbles
So we shouldn't have opinions because it doesn't matter! I really don't understand that point. If people in the Arab world didn't use forums and social media to voice their opinions, we would have had no Arab Spring!
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whitepaws: With more savings to be made and the talk of Thurles Hospital closing and People with intellectual Disabilities having their funding cut i was wondering if you had to , which would you cut to keep the other services payments going Or is there something we havent thought of ...
Politicians high expenses.....let em fly on ryanair/air lingus economy class for necessity trips....put em in B and B's instead of 5 star hotels, let em drive their own cars, they dont need a driver. Let them pay for their own "second homes" and cut expenses altogher for their petrol to and from work...like the rest of us have to do...save millions every year. How much did they spend last year just cancelling flights??? Correct me if Im wrong but I think it was about 600,000 euro or something like that. Cant quite remember cos I had to run to the loo to throw up in disgust and didnt finish reading it properly!
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mcattack: I agree...how dare they!! you should be running in the next election, you'd get my vote
yes but its a no-win situation for them....they dont have the money to emigrate, cost of visas, flights, money in the bank etc. I think a lot of them would love to do that, but its just catch 22 :-)
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dee048: Politicians high expenses.....let em fly on ryanair/air lingus economy class for necessity trips....put em in B and B's instead of 5 star hotels, let em drive their own cars, they dont need a driver. Let them pay for their own "second homes" and cut expenses altogher for their petrol to and from work...like the rest of us have to do...save millions every year. How much did they spend last year just cancelling flights??? Correct me if Im wrong but I think it was about 600,000 euro or something like that. Cant quite remember cos I had to run to the loo to throw up in disgust and didnt finish reading it properly!
600,000 euro!! I suppose it is a start. We are in debt of about 200,000,000,000 euro. I might have forgot a couple of zeros!
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mcattack: I agree...how dare they!! you should be running in the next election, you'd get my vote
Ah noooooooooooo............. we could not let you emigrate as you are still being fed by the (.)(.) ............... as soon as you move on to solids .................................
as far away as possible 
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nothing wrong with that mate
the cut is inevetible the question is how much
the cut is inevetible the question is how much
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mr1983: So we shouldn't have opinions because it doesn't matter! I really don't understand that point. If people in the Arab world didn't use forums and social media to voice their opinions, we would have had no Arab Spring!
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exactly
I was just making a point mate
I was just making a point mate
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dee048: yes but its a no-win situation for them....they dont have the money to emigrate, cost of visas, flights, money in the bank etc. I think a lot of them would love to do that, but its just catch 22 :-)
Yeah but the older people know best, they've been through it all before and have the answers, we must listen to them and not give opinions
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stupid quotes 
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Which Payments should be cut to save money and what shouldnt be touched(Vote Below)