justjim63port macquarie, New South Wales Australia2,592 posts
MrRick77: Should divorce be illegal for all ? After all you say till death do we part.
Some say till death do us part, not all do. Till death do us part is a religious concept,Not all marriages are based on religious doctrine, what happens if that marriage becomes abusive? or one partner decides to be unfaithful? or your life changes for some reason or other, should anyone be forced into staying in a relationship that has died? In my opinion divorce makes sense in the right circumstances.
I am not married but believe in the union of marriage. When things go bad in a marriage I believe that the two people involved should try to work things out BUT if they've tried everything and they cannot work things out then I agree with Divorce. Divorce should be legal as there are real reasons that some people get divorced. What if one of the partners is abusing the other and they live in fear..No one should stay married in that situation..so I believe it should be legal.
tomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
Two countries left in the world where divorce is still illegal Yes, such states still exist in the 21st century where basic human rights are not granted to their citizens
tomcatwarne: Two countries left in the world where divorce is still illegal Yes, such states still exist in the 21st century where basic human rights are not granted to their citizens
Those 2 countries are Malta & The PhilippinesIt surprised me too.
Not exactly:
Malta
Despite civil marriage being introduced in 1975, no provision was made for divorce except for the recognition of divorces granted by foreign courts. Legislation introducing divorce came into effect in October 2011 following the result of a referendum on the subject earlier in the year. It provides for no-fault divorce, with the marriage being dissolved through a Court judgement following the request of one of the parties, provided the couple has lived apart for at least four years out of the previous five and adequate alimony is being paid or is guaranteed.
The same law made a number of important changes regarding alimony, notably through extending it to children born of marriage who are still in full-time education or are disabled and through protecting alimony even after the Court pronounces a divorce.
Philippines
Philippine law, in general, does not provide for divorce inside the Philippines. The only exception is with respect to Muslims, who are allowed to divorce in certain circumstances. For those not of the Muslim faith, the law only allows annulment of marriages. Article 26 of the Family Code of the Philippines does provide that Where a marriage between a Filipino citizen and a foreigner is validly celebrated and a divorce is thereafter validly obtained abroad by the alien spouse capacitating him or her to remarry, the Filipino spouse shall have capacity to remarry under Philippine law.
It can be said, instead, that Filipinos (Catholic or not) have an aversion to divorce as they view the family to be sacrosanct and that divorce, in their perception, is absolutely destructive of this. General Filipino perception of divorce is based on the "no-fault" divorce prevalent in some US states which, in their view, is absurd since a divorce (or a separation of partners, at the least) should only be considered if there is a breach in the marriage and not the "whimsical" drive of no-fault divorces. Women's group has clamored for divorce to be made legal but all attempts to ratify it into law have failed in the past. Filipino law, as stated above, does make some concession to Muslims, though.
tomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
GUZMAN1: Not exactly:
Malta
Despite civil marriage being introduced in 1975, no provision was made for divorce except for the recognition of divorces granted by foreign courts. Legislation introducing divorce came into effect in October 2011 following the result of a referendum on the subject earlier in the year. It provides for no-fault divorce, with the marriage being dissolved through a Court judgement following the request of one of the parties, provided the couple has lived apart for at least four years out of the previous five and adequate alimony is being paid or is guaranteed.
The same law made a number of important changes regarding alimony, notably through extending it to children born of marriage who are still in full-time education or are disabled and through protecting alimony even after the Court pronounces a divorce.
Philippines
Philippine law, in general, does not provide for divorce inside the Philippines. The only exception is with respect to Muslims, who are allowed to divorce in certain circumstances. For those not of the Muslim faith, the law only allows annulment of marriages. Article 26 of the Family Code of the Philippines does provide that Where a marriage between a Filipino citizen and a foreigner is validly celebrated and a divorce is thereafter validly obtained abroad by the alien spouse capacitating him or her to remarry, the Filipino spouse shall have capacity to remarry under Philippine law.
It can be said, instead, that Filipinos (Catholic or not) have an aversion to divorce as they view the family to be sacrosanct and that divorce, in their perception, is absolutely destructive of this. General Filipino perception of divorce is based on the "no-fault" divorce prevalent in some US states which, in their view, is absurd since a divorce (or a separation of partners, at the least) should only be considered if there is a breach in the marriage and not the "whimsical" drive of no-fault divorces. Women's group has clamored for divorce to be made legal but all attempts to ratify it into law have failed in the past. Filipino law, as stated above, does make some concession to Muslims, though.
Yep. It's interesting that muslim countries have not exactly divorce laws, but something alike. And other countries have divorce laws caused by fault, not purely volunteer.
But when one of the married is foreigner, these laws can't impede a divorce in another's country court.
tomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
GUZMAN1: Yep. It's interesting that muslim countries have not exactly divorce laws, but something alike. And other countries have divorce laws caused by fault, not purely volunteer.
But when one of the married is foreigner, these laws can't impede a divorce in another's country court.
tomcatwarne: But is this divorce generally recognised??
It's a good question. There is a conflict of laws, which means that two countries courts have taken different resolutions. Our countries recognize the possibility of divorce and this became a bit like a right. They can marry again.
But situations of the validity of another's country laws are very conflictive. I've read in the newspapers the cases of parents accused to kidnap their own children because a court of their country decided to gave one of them their custody, and another's country court decided the opposite. Now an spanish woman is searched by the FBI for that reason. She appeared in TV but there are a lot of people in that situation, like that woman who escaped from Iran with her daughter.
GUZMAN1: Wow, this would be good for lawyers. Divorces with three of four parts. If usually it's difficult to reach a commitment between two, imagine more than two!
Ah yes, I forgot the first law in my Utopian vision Twice a month there would be a lawyer shoosting ( shooting ) season...
bodleingGreater Manchester, England UK13,810 posts
I was at my divorce settlement yesterday, when I announced I would like to make a suggestion. They agreed, so, I told them, "She can have the car, the house, all the funds in our joint account and full custody of our children on one condition... I get to keep whatever I have in my pocket."
"It's a deal," my wife said, with a smug look on her face.
"You obviously didn't check the lottery numbers last night, did you?"
damshoppin: Divorce should be made much easier,and getting married should be made much more difficult.
Absolutely!
Also I think (off the topic )there was an error in evolution.
People should have to take a pill to GET pregnant and only after both parents have been seen as suitable to raise a child. Otherwise they should be unable to conceive. Having children is too easy for some. (My apologies to those who cannot have children, this was not meant to cause upset.)
tomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
pisceslady7: Absolutely! Also I think (off the topic )there was an error in evolution.
People should have to take a pill to GET pregnant and only after both parents have been seen as suitable to raise a child. Otherwise they should be unable to conceive. Having children is too easy for some. (My apologies to those who cannot have children, this was not meant to cause upset.)
I'm yet to meet a couple who, when walking down the aisle, said, 'What we want is three years of happiness, two years of torment, a messy divorce and 15 years of fighting over custody of the kids.'
Yet, you cannot leave them cooped up with each other; it will improve the divorce rate, but will run havoc with murder stats!
Catfoot: I'm yet to meet a couple who, when walking down the aisle, said, 'What we want is three years of happiness, two years of torment, a messy divorce and 15 years of fighting over custody of the kids.'
Yet, you cannot leave them cooped up with each other; it will improve the divorce rate, but will run havoc with murder stats!
yes...not to mention the damage to the children to live in a home of unhappiness.
pisceslady7: Absolutely! Also I think (off the topic )there was an error in evolution.
People should have to take a pill to GET pregnant and only after both parents have been seen as suitable to raise a child. Otherwise they should be unable to conceive. Having children is too easy for some. (My apologies to those who cannot have children, this was not meant to cause upset.)
and,who would make that decision about that suitability? Another Committee of Politicians?
bodleing: I was at my divorce settlement yesterday, when I announced I would like to make a suggestion. They agreed, so, I told them, "She can have the car, the house, all the funds in our joint account and full custody of our children on one condition... I get to keep whatever I have in my pocket."
"It's a deal," my wife said, with a smug look on her face.
"You obviously didn't check the lottery numbers last night, did you?"
Why Divorce Absolutely Sucks and should be illegal
by Robert Fraser | on March 7, 2013
Why Divorce Absolutely Sucks and should be illegal
I can tell you from experience that divorce absolutely sucks and yes, I think it should be made illegal. Nowadays, divorce is too easily used as a way out. Divorce destroys families and the divorce courts are the biggest scam, I think, that’s in America today.
The family is the heartbeat of this nation. People wonder why America is swaying and things are all over the place within this country is because the very core of our stability is shaken. Divorce is an ugly curse that does more harm in the long run than good.
It’s too easy to just run from problems instead of dealing with them head on and running for the door. I know this from experience as I used to be that person. I wanted a way out. I wanted to quit. I was only thinking of myself in the process. Now I can only think of my kids and am fighting with everything in me to become a steady part of their lives.
If I would not have run away, I wouldn’t be having this problem. Divorce is ugly and painful.
I know sometimes two people bring out the worst in each other.
I know sometimes two people can absolutely drive each other crazy.
I know sometimes two people can hurt each other so much and so deeply.
I know sometimes those same two people can grow up and start acting like adults. I know sometimes those two same people can start focusing on the good about each other. I know those same two people can manufacture those same “falling in love” feelings for each other all over again and get it together.
It’s all really in us. We are the answer to our own happiness and fulfillment, not anyone else. When two people realize that they are responsible for their own happiness, then it’s just too easy to be happy with another person in a relationship.
Conrad73: and,who would make that decision about that suitability? Another Committee of Politicians?
All parents should have a parenting course, NOT have a criminal record (especially for violence or drug dealing)and show that they are emotionally stable enough to raise a child. A psychologist should be fine to do this.
However, it is a moot point as it is only a hypothesis. Sorry to de-rail the thread!
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