Should Muslims receive a share of the privileged status of the church of England ? (86)
Nikogas: Really? it appears that God's character is quite common in these Religions and includes Goodness, Holiness, Just, Knowing etc.... wink
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Sorry it is not quoting at this time. Ok, so I am reading some things here and this is about a funeral, but also it refers to being a "close friend" of Muslim and non. here is the page.
and here is the beginning that caught my eye.
I am a new muslim and my parents and relatives are muslim. One of my relative has dies recently and i was very close to her. I like to know if i can attend her funeral in church? I wont say any words during prayer just sit there.Praise be to Allaah.
Firstly:
It is not permissible for a Muslim to attend the funeral of a non-Muslim even if it is a relative, because attending a funeral is a right that one Muslim has over another and it is a kind of showing respect, honour and friendship that it is not permissible to show to a kaafir.
Now, I don't know how people of Christian or other faiths feel but this seems to reflect the general feeling I get when I am in public and in a close proximity to Muslim people. I am usually ignored and if I do speak then It is very much a cool response as if to discourage anymore conversation. So if this is in fact a conflict that is going to go on and the church of England is in the business of converting to Islam then maybe they would wish to house and give free rent for simply "keeping up the building". But I doubt that and it would send a message to those of other religions that they are sympathetic with the Muslims in fact more than their own congregation. I think it is a mistake and I doubt it would ever happen. As far as land sales I again do not know their laws. Some places will not sell land to those that are not citizens. So all these things begin to go into play I would think.
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Sorry it is not quoting at this time. Ok, so I am reading some things here and this is about a funeral, but also it refers to being a "close friend" of Muslim and non. here is the page.
and here is the beginning that caught my eye.
I am a new muslim and my parents and relatives are muslim. One of my relative has dies recently and i was very close to her. I like to know if i can attend her funeral in church? I wont say any words during prayer just sit there.Praise be to Allaah.
Firstly:
It is not permissible for a Muslim to attend the funeral of a non-Muslim even if it is a relative, because attending a funeral is a right that one Muslim has over another and it is a kind of showing respect, honour and friendship that it is not permissible to show to a kaafir.
Now, I don't know how people of Christian or other faiths feel but this seems to reflect the general feeling I get when I am in public and in a close proximity to Muslim people. I am usually ignored and if I do speak then It is very much a cool response as if to discourage anymore conversation. So if this is in fact a conflict that is going to go on and the church of England is in the business of converting to Islam then maybe they would wish to house and give free rent for simply "keeping up the building". But I doubt that and it would send a message to those of other religions that they are sympathetic with the Muslims in fact more than their own congregation. I think it is a mistake and I doubt it would ever happen. As far as land sales I again do not know their laws. Some places will not sell land to those that are not citizens. So all these things begin to go into play I would think.
As a volunteer at the OSU James Cancer Center here in Columbus, Ohio USA, I am in frequent contact with many different religions. I have experienced the opposite of what you have during my hours on duty in the cancer center and during the time I spent on a vacation in Israel in 2010.
The only remarkable muslim attitude I saw there was about money. Unlike the Christians and Jews I met in Israel, Muslims were not about their thriving tourist trade.... money.
"quote" still not working here, I am sure there are differnt people that will practice to different degrees. I have talked and made friends with people in Jakarta and here in Portland there is an area I used to live by a a mosque and as I said there was just no comradely, in fact my ex at that time worked in a salon and was highly disrespected on a regular basis, now she was talked to a lot and the flirtation even happened in front of my face. I was not impressed. but that is not isolated to any one people. But this business of not being able to join in at anothers church or attend their funerals of non-muslim is a point as in many of your posts you seem to be grouping the religions together because they "all have good qualities' or something like that. though it may be true they are regulated by their own beliefs. Just as many other religions are as well. that was my main point in one reason why they may not do so well in being endorsed by the church of England.
Pretty basic stuff really.
Pretty basic stuff really.
galrads: I've read where more people in Britain attend mosques than the church of England. according to some figures, more muslims in England attend church once a week than Anglicans do.
According to some census, the number of Christians in England and Wales has fallen by more than 4million since 2001, while the number of non-believers more than doubled to one in four of the population. Certainly, this must mean a lot of empty church buildings.
I've read where the Church of England said that while it would allow its buildings to be used by worshippers from other Christian denominations, it could not allow them to be used for worshipping other faiths. What!!!!!! Some would call that outrageous discrimination.
Question" Given this and other supporting reasons, shouldn't Muslims receive a share of the privileged status of the church of England instead of having their places of worship attacked?
According to some census, the number of Christians in England and Wales has fallen by more than 4million since 2001, while the number of non-believers more than doubled to one in four of the population. Certainly, this must mean a lot of empty church buildings.
I've read where the Church of England said that while it would allow its buildings to be used by worshippers from other Christian denominations, it could not allow them to be used for worshipping other faiths. What!!!!!! Some would call that outrageous discrimination.
Question" Given this and other supporting reasons, shouldn't Muslims receive a share of the privileged status of the church of England instead of having their places of worship attacked?
You'd have to say what your 'other supporting reasons are' of course because unless you do that it's impossible even to consider the question.
As for outrageous discrimination ... well Islam and Christianity have been at war with one another over most of the history of their existences. What you're suggesting is handing over property 'to the enemy' and the CoE will no more do THAT than Islamists would consider handing over a mosque.
It's a stupid, often violent and bloody war, but then that happens when you get politicians and church people imposing their will on people and seeking to control them.
But such a question coming from an american, who's country is pledged to war against Islam ... one has to wonder 'What's your real agenda here Gal?'
Nikogas: "quote" still not working here, I am sure there are differnt people that will practice to different degrees. I have talked and made friends with people in Jakarta and here in Portland there is an area I used to live by a a mosque and as I said there was just no comradely, in fact my ex at that time worked in a salon and was highly disrespected on a regular basis, now she was talked to a lot and the flirtation even happened in front of my face. I was not impressed. but that is not isolated to any one people. But this business of not being able to join in at anothers church or attend their funerals of non-muslim is a point as in many of your posts you seem to be grouping the religions together because they "all have good qualities' or something like that. though it may be true they are regulated by their own beliefs. Just as many other religions are as well. that was my main point in one reason why they may not do so well in being endorsed by the church of England.
Pretty basic stuff really.
Pretty basic stuff really.
Besides my not believing in discrimination, which the Church of England practices by not allowing Muslims the use of existing and unoccupied properties, my OP in this thread is pretty straight forward.
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Anyone seen tomcatwarne around recently? I know he was one of your best buddies, Gally. 
MADDOG69: Anyone seen tomcatwarne around recently? I know he was one of your best buddies, Gally.
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Durring 1990 i used to live in UK.There was a big church at ealing road wembley London which the local autorities sold it to muslims and they were using it as a mosque,British has a big heart 
<> @Jack Durring 1990 i used to live in UK.There was a big church at ealing road wembley London which the local autorities sold it to muslims and they were using it as a mosque,British has a big heart <>
some 23 years later these news stories say something different:
"In Britain, Islam has overtaken Anglicanism as the dominant religion as more people attend mosques than the Church of England. According to one survey, 930,000 Muslims attend a place of worship at least once a week, whereas only 916,000 Anglicans do the same.
Muslim leaders are now claiming that, given such a rise of Islam in Britain, Muslims should receive a share of the privileged status of the Church of England.
Overall, at least 10,000 churches have been closed in Britain since 1960, including 8,000 Methodist churches and 1,700 Anglican churches. Another 4,000 churches are set to be closed by 2020, according to Christian Research, an organization that tracks religious trends in Britain.
By contrast, there are now more than 1,700 official mosques in Britain, many converted from former churches. In addition, there are an estimated 2,000 Muslim prayer halls and unknown thousands of unofficial mosques in garages or warehouses scattered throughout the country.
Islam is set to displace Christianity in Britain even further in the years ahead. The number of Muslims in Britain is forecast to double to 5.5 million, or 8% of the total British population, by 2030, according to the Washington, DC-based Pew Research Center.
British Prime Minister David Cameron, in a December 2011 speech in Oxford on the 400th anniversary of the King James Bible, said Britain is a "Christian country and we should not be afraid to say so."
But the official Citizenship Survey published on December 21 found that the number of people who call themselves Christians in England and Wales fell by nearly 10% over the past five years."
some 23 years later these news stories say something different:
"In Britain, Islam has overtaken Anglicanism as the dominant religion as more people attend mosques than the Church of England. According to one survey, 930,000 Muslims attend a place of worship at least once a week, whereas only 916,000 Anglicans do the same.
Muslim leaders are now claiming that, given such a rise of Islam in Britain, Muslims should receive a share of the privileged status of the Church of England.
Overall, at least 10,000 churches have been closed in Britain since 1960, including 8,000 Methodist churches and 1,700 Anglican churches. Another 4,000 churches are set to be closed by 2020, according to Christian Research, an organization that tracks religious trends in Britain.
By contrast, there are now more than 1,700 official mosques in Britain, many converted from former churches. In addition, there are an estimated 2,000 Muslim prayer halls and unknown thousands of unofficial mosques in garages or warehouses scattered throughout the country.
Islam is set to displace Christianity in Britain even further in the years ahead. The number of Muslims in Britain is forecast to double to 5.5 million, or 8% of the total British population, by 2030, according to the Washington, DC-based Pew Research Center.
British Prime Minister David Cameron, in a December 2011 speech in Oxford on the 400th anniversary of the King James Bible, said Britain is a "Christian country and we should not be afraid to say so."
But the official Citizenship Survey published on December 21 found that the number of people who call themselves Christians in England and Wales fell by nearly 10% over the past five years."
"Muslims should receive a share of the privileged status of the Church of England."
I see the above in several articles I was looking at on the web but I just don't understand what it means, Literally what this status is. Does it mean a change in law? It is probably very simple but I truly don't comprehend the statement. Thanks to whoever can explain it in simple terms to me.
I see the above in several articles I was looking at on the web but I just don't understand what it means, Literally what this status is. Does it mean a change in law? It is probably very simple but I truly don't comprehend the statement. Thanks to whoever can explain it in simple terms to me.
@ Nicogas
Hint..... The Church of England has 26 seats in the House of Lords. I believe, presently, this does not include Catholics too.
Hint..... The Church of England has 26 seats in the House of Lords. I believe, presently, this does not include Catholics too.
now the question is,should have any Religion anywhere have those and similar Political Privileges?
I think I will just pass right by "politics" and say "aha"! this is all about power it seems.
sounds about right!
@Conrad
Well, we do profess to desire a separation of church and state here in the USA. I think it would be a good idea If England and Iran did the same thing.
Well, we do profess to desire a separation of church and state here in the USA. I think it would be a good idea If England and Iran did the same thing.
yep,definitely!
Galrads; Well, we do profess to desire a separation of church and state here in the USA. I think it would be a good idea If England and Iran did the same thing.
Oh I'll get Parliament to put it to the vote then shall I. Perhaps if I mention your name they'll pass it.
As for allowing other religions into the C of E, only a Catholic would think that one up!
Oh I'll get Parliament to put it to the vote then shall I. Perhaps if I mention your name they'll pass it.
As for allowing other religions into the C of E, only a Catholic would think that one up!
Glitch101: Galrads; Well, we do profess to desire a separation of church and state here in the USA. I think it would be a good idea If England and Iran did the same thing. Oh I'll get Parliament to put it to the vote then shall I. Perhaps if I mention your name they'll pass it.
As for allowing other religions into the C of E, only a Catholic would think that one up!
about time you all asked His Holiness,The Bishop Of Rome for HIS Forgiveness!As for allowing other religions into the C of E, only a Catholic would think that one up!
Conrad: about time you all asked His Holiness,The Bishop Of Rome for HIS Forgiveness!
Forgiveness for what Werner?
Forgiveness for what Werner?
Glitch101: Conrad: about time you all asked His Holiness,The Bishop Of Rome for HIS Forgiveness!
Forgiveness for what Werner?
maybe for the Time when Henry VIII told His Holiness to stuff it!Forgiveness for what Werner?
@ Conrad
However, it doesn't look like people in England worry about getting approvals for divorce anymore than the peoples living in the USA.
However, it doesn't look like people in England worry about getting approvals for divorce anymore than the peoples living in the USA.
galrads: @ Conrad
However, it doesn't look like people in England worry about getting approvals for divorce anymore than the peoples living in the USA.
well,seems not since Hennery!However, it doesn't look like people in England worry about getting approvals for divorce anymore than the peoples living in the USA.
You do not HAVE to go to church to be a CofE christian any more than being a Muslim means you have to go to a mosque. So figures about attendance levels at churches and mosques are irrelevant. Every ten years the UK has a census, the last of which (2011 Census) Christianity was the largest religion, with 33.2 million people (59.3 per cent
of the population). The second largest religious group were Muslims with 2.7 million people (4.8 per cent of the population). I can't be bothered to find the breakdown of the various Christian groups but I believe the vast majority are CofE. when Islam reaches comparable levels to Christianity then is the time to talk, until then they are just another minority religion in the UK.
of the population). The second largest religious group were Muslims with 2.7 million people (4.8 per cent of the population). I can't be bothered to find the breakdown of the various Christian groups but I believe the vast majority are CofE. when Islam reaches comparable levels to Christianity then is the time to talk, until then they are just another minority religion in the UK.
Iuchi_Zien: You do not HAVE to go to church to be a CofE christian any more than being a Muslim means you have to go to a mosque. So figures about attendance levels at churches and mosques are irrelevant. Every ten years the UK has a census, the last of which (2011 Census) Christianity was the largest religion, with 33.2 million people (59.3 per cent
of the population). The second largest religious group were Muslims with 2.7 million people (4.8 per cent of the population). I can't be bothered to find the breakdown of the various Christian groups but I believe the vast majority are CofE. when Islam reaches comparable levels to Christianity then is the time to talk, until then they are just another minority religion in the UK.
Not sure they would be willing to talk when they reach comparable Levels!of the population). The second largest religious group were Muslims with 2.7 million people (4.8 per cent of the population). I can't be bothered to find the breakdown of the various Christian groups but I believe the vast majority are CofE. when Islam reaches comparable levels to Christianity then is the time to talk, until then they are just another minority religion in the UK.
Heck,they aren't willing to talk now!
Since the Islamic faith in the UK has no heirachy, who are the church supposed to talk to? Each mosque is independent and no group can genuinely claim to speak for all mosques or all muslim sects.
According to statical survey in UK muslim population growth rate is more than 6.7 pecent while all other religions are having 1.87 percent so according to this survey by 2050 Uk will have muslims in majority
Iuchi_Zien: Since the Islamic faith in the UK has no heirachy, who are the church supposed to talk to? Each mosque is independent and no group can genuinely claim to speak for all mosques or all muslim sects.
Given the the high cost of maintaing these old buildings, does it not make sense to see these vacant Church of England buildings put to use by Muslims who ask to use them?
Iuchi_Zien: Since the Islamic faith in the UK has no heirachy, who are the church supposed to talk to? Each mosque is independent and no group can genuinely claim to speak for all mosques or all muslim sects.
Given the the high cost of maintaing these old buildings, does it not make sense to see these vacant Church of England buildings put to use by Muslims who ask to use them?
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Sorry it is not quoting at this time. Ok, so I am reading some things here and this is about a funeral, but also it refers to being a "close friend" of Muslim and non. here is the page.
and here is the beginning that caught my eye.
I am a new muslim and my parents and relatives are muslim. One of my relative has dies recently and i was very close to her. I like to know if i can attend her funeral in church? I wont say any words during prayer just sit there.
Praise be to Allaah.
Firstly:
It is not permissible for a Muslim to attend the funeral of a non-Muslim even if it is a relative, because attending a funeral is a right that one Muslim has over another and it is a kind of showing respect, honour and friendship that it is not permissible to show to a kaafir.
Now, I don't know how people of Christian or other faiths feel but this seems to reflect the general feeling I get when I am in public and in a close proximity to Muslim people. I am usually ignored and if I do speak then It is very much a cool response as if to discourage anymore conversation. So if this is in fact a conflict that is going to go on and the church of England is in the business of converting to Islam then maybe they would wish to house and give free rent for simply "keeping up the building". But I doubt that and it would send a message to those of other religions that they are sympathetic with the Muslims in fact more than their own congregation. I think it is a mistake and I doubt it would ever happen. As far as land sales I again do not know their laws. Some places will not sell land to those that are not citizens. So all these things begin to go into play I would think.