Questions on Irish travelers.Let your voice be heard !! (526)
about 10% of Britain's 200,000 Travellers live on unauthorised sites, Mr Slaughter says the government is taking action by creating more and better sites and making sure that local councils try to find an alternative to eviction.
"There is resistance that is partly based on prejudice, sometimes from the settled community... and sometimes, quite disgracefully, many members of parliament or councillors who believe it's a populist issue to oppose Gypsies and Travellers' sites in their areas," explains the MP.
Pavees would be able to resolve or at least ease the discrimination themselves, by moving into houses and thus assimilating into British settled community.
John O'Donnell has made enough money through boxing to buy a house but says that for most Travellers it is all about their family and traditions, and that he would never leave his beloved caravan.
"I'll never move into a house, I love the site. I lived in a house for a year and it wasn't for me," says the young champion.
"On the site, I can just walk out, have a chat with the lads down the road, we can walk into each other's caravans. You can't do it if you're in a house. A house is like a prison."
"There is resistance that is partly based on prejudice, sometimes from the settled community... and sometimes, quite disgracefully, many members of parliament or councillors who believe it's a populist issue to oppose Gypsies and Travellers' sites in their areas," explains the MP.
Pavees would be able to resolve or at least ease the discrimination themselves, by moving into houses and thus assimilating into British settled community.
John O'Donnell has made enough money through boxing to buy a house but says that for most Travellers it is all about their family and traditions, and that he would never leave his beloved caravan.
"I'll never move into a house, I love the site. I lived in a house for a year and it wasn't for me," says the young champion.
"On the site, I can just walk out, have a chat with the lads down the road, we can walk into each other's caravans. You can't do it if you're in a house. A house is like a prison."
Then in 1979 a Traveller woman, Roselle McDadd took Dublin County Council to court of for evicting her 22 times from one roadside camp to another in the previous 12 months. She got a high court ruling later upheld by the Supreme court that a local area could not evict travellers from its land without providing a reasonable alternative. This had the effect of stopping constant evictions which were a cause of enormous hardship.
However Local Areas soon found ways of forcing families out of camps by dumping clay and rubbish all around them and by generally making life so unpleasant for them that they were forced to move.
However Local Areas soon found ways of forcing families out of camps by dumping clay and rubbish all around them and by generally making life so unpleasant for them that they were forced to move.
i was tolled on here if you cant get into shops,pubs and so on why dont yous builted your own???
The first travellers school was built in Cherry Orchard by the travellers there. It lasted only a matter of weeks before being bulldozed by the corporation. A series of protest meetings and marches were held throughout the country by the Irish travellers community culminating in a major convention at Ballinasloe fair in 1962 at which Lawerence Ward chaired the proceedings. A committee was elected and over the following year evictions were resisted and demands for decent facilities and civil rights were put forward.
This campaign attracted considerable radio publicity and the government became very anxious to smash the movement which was becoming more militant and well organised then they had thought travellers were capable of. Interestingly attempts were made early on to establish links with the trade union movement. There is a record of an appeal by Gloray Conners to members of IMETU who were about to carry out an eviction if Ballyfermot to consider their common interests and to refuse to evict
In 1963 Grattan Puxen was arrested and charged with having explosives. It was later proved that these explosives had been planted on him by the Gardai. He was released on bail and given the choice of leaving the country r serving a long jail sentence. He left in late 1963. Almost all of the activists of the Irish traveller community left with him and went on to form the Gypsy Council in England. The names of Irish travellers can be seen in the leadership of the Gypsy Council over the next decade until it became victim to internal feuding.
The first travellers school was built in Cherry Orchard by the travellers there. It lasted only a matter of weeks before being bulldozed by the corporation. A series of protest meetings and marches were held throughout the country by the Irish travellers community culminating in a major convention at Ballinasloe fair in 1962 at which Lawerence Ward chaired the proceedings. A committee was elected and over the following year evictions were resisted and demands for decent facilities and civil rights were put forward.
This campaign attracted considerable radio publicity and the government became very anxious to smash the movement which was becoming more militant and well organised then they had thought travellers were capable of. Interestingly attempts were made early on to establish links with the trade union movement. There is a record of an appeal by Gloray Conners to members of IMETU who were about to carry out an eviction if Ballyfermot to consider their common interests and to refuse to evict
In 1963 Grattan Puxen was arrested and charged with having explosives. It was later proved that these explosives had been planted on him by the Gardai. He was released on bail and given the choice of leaving the country r serving a long jail sentence. He left in late 1963. Almost all of the activists of the Irish traveller community left with him and went on to form the Gypsy Council in England. The names of Irish travellers can be seen in the leadership of the Gypsy Council over the next decade until it became victim to internal feuding.
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RoseaBellBlues: about 10% of Britain's 200,000 Travellers live on unauthorised sites, Mr Slaughter says the government is taking action by creating more and better sites and making sure that local councils try to find an alternative to eviction.
"There is resistance that is partly based on prejudice, sometimes from the settled community... and sometimes, quite disgracefully, many members of parliament or councillors who believe it's a populist issue to oppose Gypsies and Travellers' sites in their areas," explains the MP.
Pavees would be able to resolve or at least ease the discrimination themselves, by moving into houses and thus assimilating into British settled community.
John O'Donnell has made enough money through boxing to buy a house but says that for most Travellers it is all about their family and traditions, and that he would never leave his beloved caravan.
"I'll never move into a house, I love the site. I lived in a house for a year and it wasn't for me," says the young champion.
"On the site, I can just walk out, have a chat with the lads down the road, we can walk into each other's caravans. You can't do it if you're in a house. A house is like a prison."
Who? "There is resistance that is partly based on prejudice, sometimes from the settled community... and sometimes, quite disgracefully, many members of parliament or councillors who believe it's a populist issue to oppose Gypsies and Travellers' sites in their areas," explains the MP.
Pavees would be able to resolve or at least ease the discrimination themselves, by moving into houses and thus assimilating into British settled community.
John O'Donnell has made enough money through boxing to buy a house but says that for most Travellers it is all about their family and traditions, and that he would never leave his beloved caravan.
"I'll never move into a house, I love the site. I lived in a house for a year and it wasn't for me," says the young champion.
"On the site, I can just walk out, have a chat with the lads down the road, we can walk into each other's caravans. You can't do it if you're in a house. A house is like a prison."
do you know what traveler culture is? Yes.
do you dislike travelers for what ever reason ? I can not dislike a whole group based on the behaviour of some.
do you have any traveler people as friends? No.
do you know the meaning of Irish travelers ? Yes.
do you think travelers should have equal rights ? They have them.
settle people,travelers should work 2 gether? You what??
do u believe travelers a highly discriminated? The ones that are, bring it upon themselves.
should travelers have there own culture ? Don't they already?
is travelers dirty and has no care for the law? In my personal experience, based on the times I've seen them, yes. The ones I have seen have had no respect for the land nor the law.
if i said i was a traveler would u prejudge me? No. Now stop with the pity card and stop caring what people think of you.
Now, based on one of your questions, I have one of my own.
Do you think LANDOWNERS should have the rights to evict the travellers when they turn up and turn a beautiful field into a scrapyard, by whatever means they seem fit?[/quote]
1000 Traveller families still live on the side of the road without basic utilities such as water,
electricity and sanitation. One in four Travellers have no piped water supply or electricity.
In 2002, the Government enacted the Housing (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act which made
trespass, previously a civil offence, a criminal offence. Currently, camping on private is punishable by one month in jail, a ?3,000 fine and the confiscation of people?s
homes.
The 1998 Traveller Accommodation Act obliged Local Authorities to provide five year
plans for Traveller accommodation. This has not happened and the local authorities don’t
face sanctions for their failures
do you dislike travelers for what ever reason ? I can not dislike a whole group based on the behaviour of some.
do you have any traveler people as friends? No.
do you know the meaning of Irish travelers ? Yes.
do you think travelers should have equal rights ? They have them.
settle people,travelers should work 2 gether? You what??
do u believe travelers a highly discriminated? The ones that are, bring it upon themselves.
should travelers have there own culture ? Don't they already?
is travelers dirty and has no care for the law? In my personal experience, based on the times I've seen them, yes. The ones I have seen have had no respect for the land nor the law.
if i said i was a traveler would u prejudge me? No. Now stop with the pity card and stop caring what people think of you.
Now, based on one of your questions, I have one of my own.
Do you think LANDOWNERS should have the rights to evict the travellers when they turn up and turn a beautiful field into a scrapyard, by whatever means they seem fit?[/quote]
1000 Traveller families still live on the side of the road without basic utilities such as water,
electricity and sanitation. One in four Travellers have no piped water supply or electricity.
In 2002, the Government enacted the Housing (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act which made
trespass, previously a civil offence, a criminal offence. Currently, camping on private is punishable by one month in jail, a ?3,000 fine and the confiscation of people?s
homes.
The 1998 Traveller Accommodation Act obliged Local Authorities to provide five year
plans for Traveller accommodation. This has not happened and the local authorities don’t
face sanctions for their failures
Self-harm rates are high in this group. The British department of health estimates that the suicide rate among male Irish Travellers living in Britain is three times higher than for the general population.[/size WHY IS THAT ????? can any one tell me please.
luke405: an one more thing! you lot are goin thro Europe, rippin people off with your organised criminality, giving my country an country men an woman a bad name through out euroe an beyond! you have no respect for yourselfs other people, an call yourself irish, well that's questionable, """since you people have no [patriotic pride!"""
MADDOG69: Fair is Fair. You haven't talked about the Prison numbers in Ireland.
yes i have!! your most not be reading the blog..........There is one in every 20 people that are roama,gypys, traveler in England and in Ireland there is only one per cent off travelers in jail in Ireland...my facts are on here you just need to read my blog
RoseaBellBlues:
1000 Traveller families still live on the side of the road without basic utilities such as water,
electricity and sanitation. One in four Travellers have no piped water supply or electricity.
In 2002, the Government enacted the Housing (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act which made
trespass, previously a civil offence, a criminal offence. Currently, camping on private is punishable by one month in jail, a ?3,000 fine and the confiscation of people?s
homes.
The 1998 Traveller Accommodation Act obliged Local Authorities to provide five year
plans for Traveller accommodation. This has not happened and the local authorities don’t
face sanctions for their failures
1000 Traveller families still live on the side of the road without basic utilities such as water,
electricity and sanitation. One in four Travellers have no piped water supply or electricity.
In 2002, the Government enacted the Housing (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act which made
trespass, previously a civil offence, a criminal offence. Currently, camping on private is punishable by one month in jail, a ?3,000 fine and the confiscation of people?s
homes.
The 1998 Traveller Accommodation Act obliged Local Authorities to provide five year
plans for Traveller accommodation. This has not happened and the local authorities don’t
face sanctions for their failures
So
It's their choice, why should hard working tax payers pay for people who chose not to be a part of society? No one is forcing anyone to live in a caravan. This is the 21st century, not the 15th when travellers were able to find work by moving from one area to another, the world has moved on, it's about time travellers did the same.
Just because a certain group of people lived in a certain way 200-300 years ago, does not mean it is sensible for that style of living to continue in todays much changed world.
rizlared: So
It's their choice, why should hard working tax payers pay for people who chose not to be a part of society? No one is forcing anyone to live in a caravan. This is the 21st century, not the 15th when travellers were able to find work by moving from one area to another, the world has moved on, it's about time travellers did the same.
Just because a certain group of people lived in a certain way 200-300 years ago, does not mean it is sensible for that style of living to continue in todays much changed world.
It's their choice, why should hard working tax payers pay for people who chose not to be a part of society? No one is forcing anyone to live in a caravan. This is the 21st century, not the 15th when travellers were able to find work by moving from one area to another, the world has moved on, it's about time travellers did the same.
Just because a certain group of people lived in a certain way 200-300 years ago, does not mean it is sensible for that style of living to continue in todays much changed world.
I did not chose to be not apart off society!! society wont let me be apart off it!! a young lady like me cant even go out for a few drinks as they wont let me into pubs or clubs.I cant even do my weekly shopping with out the owners flowing me around the store.I cant tell any one at work im a traveler as i know i will less my job!!
you most have not looked at my blog cos if you did you will see society and government ran travelers out off there own homes and towns. you will see discernment too.look on page 18 and 19 you will see some of the history and what travelers people where put thou.
if the council can build house for settle people why cant there do there same for travelers??? no traveler wants to be on the side of a road or on privet land but what other choice have they got??
not all travelers can work or buy there own homes.They are human people too. they also have illness that stop them form been able to work. there is over 40% off travlers with out a safe home. how is this right?
I still tip hat my hat to the couple that cruise through town in Kaitaia.On horseback. Thats the way we roll. 
Yes
No
No
Yes
Yes
No
If they want
Quite a lot of them have no care for the law
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No
No
Yes
Yes
No
If they want
Quite a lot of them have no care for the law
No
RoseaBellBlues: ...........be more clear on what you are saying. who are them?? a lot, how many are you talking about here??
I see it here in Galway, parking where they like on land that doesn't belong to them, getting houses and then some of them wreck the house and taxpayers like me have to foot the bill.
Do you remember this story?
people that where living on there own land that they payed for where told to leave and all they house and caravans where broken up by the government. was it right to evict them??? if you agree they should or should have not be evict please give a valued reasons.
people that where living on there own land that they payed for where told to leave and all they house and caravans where broken up by the government. was it right to evict them??? if you agree they should or should have not be evict please give a valued reasons.
RoseaBellBlues: Do you remember this story? people that where living on there own land that they payed for where told to leave and all they house and caravans where broken up by the government. was it right to evict them??? if you agree they should or should have not be evict please give a valued reasons.
here is a photo off Dale Farm. for the people that has not see it.
RoseaBellBlues: here is a photo off Dale Farm. for the people that has not see it.
as you can see Dale form is out on its own and not in the of one way.
as you can see Dale form is out on its own and not in the of one way.
Tell the whole story if you're going to use that as an example. It was NEXT to a legal traveller site, Oak Lane. That only held 34 pitches.
Here's the real picture showing the unauthorised people they were evicting.
Here's an illegal site that a local authority is having to spend "£2 million on to make it a legal site.
The 'travellers' had been there for two years, and seemed content as they'd not moved on, so why should the money be spent?
Especially when there are plenty of sites in the UK as of 2011,
Isn't it lovely?
The 'travellers' had been there for two years, and seemed content as they'd not moved on, so why should the money be spent?
Especially when there are plenty of sites in the UK as of 2011,
Isn't it lovely?
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I think you miss the point. If rates of incarceration are higher PER CAPITA, then, all things being equal that is a sign of higher criminality, although at this point I have to give a nod to what jac said earlier about policing in general.