what should america do about all of the child immigrants (156)
sweetiefireballOak Forest, Illinois USA47 Threads 47 Polls 340 Postsoh virgo...u r fun!
well we r the great usa and always have been known to get involved w others affairs to the good and to the bad....the song from U2 comes to mind again In the Name of Love....virgo post it for us...u use to b the dj on here once upon a time....hi sweetie!!
sorry I'm unable to ....this site has blocked all my links ....everytime I try this happens ...
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ahhh that is a bum cause u have a knack for words and song my friend!!!
ooby_dooby: Amid all the talk about this problem I have yet to read anything about the government of Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador being involved in dealing with their own citizens fleeing thier country in order to save their lives. From what I've heard, their governments are corrupt and incapable of solving their own crime problem. Aren't THEY responsible for this situation? They seem to have totally lost control of thier own country where drug cartels and gangs are running the place. Is anybody talking the whoever is supposed to be in charge down in Honduras etc? Maybe we should ship all these people back to Central America and send them the bill.
Somethins gotta give!
I doubt Mexico likes the idea of 55,000 and more foreigners crossing their country.
What are we going to do when the flow increases into the millions?
Somethins gotta give!
I doubt Mexico likes the idea of 55,000 and more foreigners crossing their country.
What are we going to do when the flow increases into the millions?
JeanKimberley: For over 200 years, the world has whispered, the streets of the new world America are lined with gold.... and so they came, and were rudely awoken.
Why is it that President Obama can ask the world to impose sanctions on other countries for their corrupt governments, but says nothing about these poor 3rd world countries..... because it is not politically correct.
Why is it that President Obama can ask the world to impose sanctions on other countries for their corrupt governments, but says nothing about these poor 3rd world countries..... because it is not politically correct.
Why do people oppose illegal immigrants?
Because of economics?
“For the nation as a whole, the NRC estimated that in 1996 immigration imposed a short-run fiscal burden on the average U.S. native household of $200, or 0.2 percent of U.S. GDP.42 In that year, the immigration surplus was about 0.1 percent of GDP.43 A back of the envelope calculation then suggests that in the short run immigration in the mid-1990s reduced the annual income of U.S. residents by about 0.1 percent of GDP. Given the uncertainties involved in making this calculation, one should not put great stock in the fact that the resulting estimate is negative. The prediction error around the estimate, though unknown, is likely to be large, in which case the -0.1 percent estimate would be statistically indistinguishable from zero. Using this sort of analysis, we cannot say with much conviction whether the aggregate impact of immigration on the U.S. economy is positive or negative. What available evidence does suggest is that the total impact is small”
Do you know how much of your country’s GDP is spent in “defense”?
4.35 GDP
0.07 GPD is the impact of imigration (legal and illegal) on USA economy
(which can be positive or negative due to using scientific tools to analyze the data)
Does the defense spending of your country bother any of you that oppose immigration –because of economics- of course???
If any of you get upset because of economics of immigration legal + illegal:
(assuming it has a negative impact)
Would you be 621 times upset because of sending your beloved ones to war?
Get the numbers, get the facts, be able to asses the right size and the real impact of a problem (you can do it!!!).
lifeisadream: Why do people oppose illegal immigrants?
Because of economics?
“For the nation as a whole, the NRC estimated that in 1996 immigration imposed a short-run fiscal burden on the average U.S. native household of $200, or 0.2 percent of U.S. GDP.42 In that year, the immigration surplus was about 0.1 percent of GDP.43 A back of the envelope calculation then suggests that in the short run immigration in the mid-1990s reduced the annual income of U.S. residents by about 0.1 percent of GDP. Given the uncertainties involved in making this calculation, one should not put great stock in the fact that the resulting estimate is negative. The prediction error around the estimate, though unknown, is likely to be large, in which case the -0.1 percent estimate would be statistically indistinguishable from zero. Using this sort of analysis, we cannot say with much conviction whether the aggregate impact of immigration on the U.S. economy is positive or negative. What available evidence does suggest is that the total impact is small”
Do you know how much of your country’s GDP is spent in “defense”?
4.35 GDP
0.07 GPD is the impact of imigration (legal and illegal) on USA economy
(which can be positive or negative due to using scientific tools to analyze the data)
Does the defense spending of your country bother any of you that oppose immigration –because of economics- of course???
If any of you get upset because of economics of immigration legal + illegal:
(assuming it has a negative impact)
Would you be 621 times upset because of sending your beloved ones to war?
Get the numbers, get the facts, be able to asses the right size and the real impact of a problem (you can do it!!!).
Because of economics?
“For the nation as a whole, the NRC estimated that in 1996 immigration imposed a short-run fiscal burden on the average U.S. native household of $200, or 0.2 percent of U.S. GDP.42 In that year, the immigration surplus was about 0.1 percent of GDP.43 A back of the envelope calculation then suggests that in the short run immigration in the mid-1990s reduced the annual income of U.S. residents by about 0.1 percent of GDP. Given the uncertainties involved in making this calculation, one should not put great stock in the fact that the resulting estimate is negative. The prediction error around the estimate, though unknown, is likely to be large, in which case the -0.1 percent estimate would be statistically indistinguishable from zero. Using this sort of analysis, we cannot say with much conviction whether the aggregate impact of immigration on the U.S. economy is positive or negative. What available evidence does suggest is that the total impact is small”
Do you know how much of your country’s GDP is spent in “defense”?
4.35 GDP
0.07 GPD is the impact of imigration (legal and illegal) on USA economy
(which can be positive or negative due to using scientific tools to analyze the data)
Does the defense spending of your country bother any of you that oppose immigration –because of economics- of course???
If any of you get upset because of economics of immigration legal + illegal:
(assuming it has a negative impact)
Would you be 621 times upset because of sending your beloved ones to war?
Get the numbers, get the facts, be able to asses the right size and the real impact of a problem (you can do it!!!).
Did I write it wrong Galrads?
Then:
I will ask for a refund to an American University where I took English classes.
Then:
I will ask for a refund to an American University where I took English classes.
lifeisadream: Why do people oppose illegal immigrants?
Because of economics?
“For the nation as a whole, the NRC estimated that in 1996 immigration imposed a short-run fiscal burden on the average U.S. native household of $200, or 0.2 percent of U.S. GDP.42 In that year, the immigration surplus was about 0.1 percent of GDP.43 A back of the envelope calculation then suggests that in the short run immigration in the mid-1990s reduced the annual income of U.S. residents by about 0.1 percent of GDP. Given the uncertainties involved in making this calculation, one should not put great stock in the fact that the resulting estimate is negative. The prediction error around the estimate, though unknown, is likely to be large, in which case the -0.1 percent estimate would be statistically indistinguishable from zero. Using this sort of analysis, we cannot say with much conviction whether the aggregate impact of immigration on the U.S. economy is positive or negative. What available evidence does suggest is that the total impact is small”
Do you know how much of your country’s GDP is spent in “defense”?
4.35 GDP
0.07 GPD is the impact of imigration (legal and illegal) on USA economy
(which can be positive or negative due to using scientific tools to analyze the data)
Does the defense spending of your country bother any of you that oppose immigration –because of economics- of course???
If any of you get upset because of economics of immigration legal + illegal:
(assuming it has a negative impact)
Would you be 621 times upset because of sending your beloved ones to war?
Get the numbers, get the facts, be able to asses the right size and the real impact of a problem (you can do it!!!).
Because of economics?
“For the nation as a whole, the NRC estimated that in 1996 immigration imposed a short-run fiscal burden on the average U.S. native household of $200, or 0.2 percent of U.S. GDP.42 In that year, the immigration surplus was about 0.1 percent of GDP.43 A back of the envelope calculation then suggests that in the short run immigration in the mid-1990s reduced the annual income of U.S. residents by about 0.1 percent of GDP. Given the uncertainties involved in making this calculation, one should not put great stock in the fact that the resulting estimate is negative. The prediction error around the estimate, though unknown, is likely to be large, in which case the -0.1 percent estimate would be statistically indistinguishable from zero. Using this sort of analysis, we cannot say with much conviction whether the aggregate impact of immigration on the U.S. economy is positive or negative. What available evidence does suggest is that the total impact is small”
Do you know how much of your country’s GDP is spent in “defense”?
4.35 GDP
0.07 GPD is the impact of imigration (legal and illegal) on USA economy
(which can be positive or negative due to using scientific tools to analyze the data)
Does the defense spending of your country bother any of you that oppose immigration –because of economics- of course???
If any of you get upset because of economics of immigration legal + illegal:
(assuming it has a negative impact)
Would you be 621 times upset because of sending your beloved ones to war?
Get the numbers, get the facts, be able to asses the right size and the real impact of a problem (you can do it!!!).
Hi life,Makes we wonder just how many of those people who are against immigration ever took the time to trace back their family tree to see how many of their ancestors were immigrants form another country.I'm sure it would be very interesting to see.
Most of my ancestors immigrated to this country.
Ccincy: Hi life,Makes we wonder just how many of those people who are against immigration ever took the time to trace back their family tree to see how many of their ancestors were immigrants form another country.I'm sure it would be very interesting to see.
Most of my ancestors immigrated to this country.
Most of my ancestors immigrated to this country.
CC there is nothing more than I would love to that to keep people in their country of origin where they belong to if that is what they wish to.
People migrating to USA is due to factors out of their control and Americans have all the right to oppose it, yet I would like them –Americans- to get the facts before taking sides and I really hope those Americans will never be an illegal immigrant, risking their life for getting a job.
I do know of many persons that have gone to USA as illegal immigrants and their stories are just hearth breaking and no-one deserve to risk their life for a job.
lifeisadream: Did I write it wrong Galrads?
Then:
I will ask for a refund to an American University where I took English classes.
Then:
I will ask for a refund to an American University where I took English classes.
I concur with your thoughts regarding the children from Central America, but kind of stumbled as I assessed you point of 'asses the right size' Actually, I am somewhat surprised to read some of the cold and selfish opinions shared in this thread. The News Media daily shows Americans frustrated here thinking all these desperate children from Central America crossing the border illegally pose some sort of threat to our security or economic stability.
What is happening to us in America? Our culture seems to have evolved to where we can't tolerate anything that even just seemingly appears to upset the cart? Even when we have, to some extent, created and allowed this crisis situation to escalate.
We've taken in millions of refuges from countries we intended to help but devastated them instead, and yet, we can't help these children when our sub-culture (drugs) fueled the very corruption driving them from their country. Why don't we acknowledge the culpability here?
In the name of democracy we have bombed the crap out of other countries, yet our government wants to turn it's back on these children? What kind of country are we really becoming?
We can meet these challenges if we want to.
lifeisadream: CC there is nothing more than I would love to that to keep people in their country of origin where they belong to if that is what they wish to.
People migrating to USA is due to factors out of their control and Americans have all the right to oppose it, yet I would like them –Americans- to get the facts before taking sides and I really hope those Americans will never be an illegal immigrant, risking their life for getting a job.
I do know of many persons that have gone to USA as illegal immigrants and their stories are just hearth breaking and no-one deserve to risk their life for a job.
People migrating to USA is due to factors out of their control and Americans have all the right to oppose it, yet I would like them –Americans- to get the facts before taking sides and I really hope those Americans will never be an illegal immigrant, risking their life for getting a job.
I do know of many persons that have gone to USA as illegal immigrants and their stories are just hearth breaking and no-one deserve to risk their life for a job.
A lot of the information comes out of the written words of the Mass Media and obviously the information is usually embellished to increase their viewership.I caught one of the Ohio news station misquoting a story regarding our state parks so it's obvious the mass media do mislead people on purpose.
galrads: I concur with your thoughts regarding the children from Central America, but kind of stumbled as I assessed you point of 'asses the right size'
Actually, I am somewhat surprised to read some of the cold and selfish opinions shared in this thread. The News Media daily shows Americans frustrated here thinking all these desperate children from Central America crossing the border illegally pose some sort of threat to our security or economic stability.
What is happening to us in America? Our culture seems to have evolved to where we can't tolerate anything that even just seemingly appears to upset the cart? Even when we have, to some extent, created and allowed this crisis situation to escalate.
We've taken in millions of refuges from countries we intended to help but devastated them instead, and yet, we can't help these children when our sub-culture (drugs) fueled the very corruption driving them from their country. Why don't we acknowledge the culpability here?
In the name of democracy we have bombed the crap out of other countries, yet our government wants to turn it's back on these children? What kind of country are we really becoming?
We can meet these challenges if we want to.
Actually, I am somewhat surprised to read some of the cold and selfish opinions shared in this thread. The News Media daily shows Americans frustrated here thinking all these desperate children from Central America crossing the border illegally pose some sort of threat to our security or economic stability.
What is happening to us in America? Our culture seems to have evolved to where we can't tolerate anything that even just seemingly appears to upset the cart? Even when we have, to some extent, created and allowed this crisis situation to escalate.
We've taken in millions of refuges from countries we intended to help but devastated them instead, and yet, we can't help these children when our sub-culture (drugs) fueled the very corruption driving them from their country. Why don't we acknowledge the culpability here?
In the name of democracy we have bombed the crap out of other countries, yet our government wants to turn it's back on these children? What kind of country are we really becoming?
We can meet these challenges if we want to.
I do not quite understand your comments overall Galrads.
Sometimes it seems you are in one side and at the same time on the other side.
But it might be my understanding of English.
Ccincy: A lot of the information comes out of the written words of the Mass Media and obviously the information is usually embellished to increase their viewership.I caught one of the Ohio news station misquoting a story regarding our state parks so it's obvious the mass media do mislead people on purpose.
I remember something that I have read:
If you do not listen to the media you are not informed and
If you do listen to the media you are misinformed.
lifeisadream: I do not quite understand your comments overall Galrads.
Sometimes it seems you are in one side and at the same time on the other side.
But it might be my understanding of English.
I remember something that I have read:
If you do not listen to the media you are not informed and
If you do listen to the media you are misinformed.
Sometimes it seems you are in one side and at the same time on the other side.
But it might be my understanding of English.
I remember something that I have read:
If you do not listen to the media you are not informed and
If you do listen to the media you are misinformed.
your comprehension skills probably haven't failed you. my writing skills do suck sometimes but I did not intended to be inconsistent on this thread's topic.
galrads: your comprehension skills probably haven't failed you. my writing skills do suck sometimes but I did not intended to be inconsistent on this thread's topic.
I understood what you wrote and liked it. There are big changes that need to be done politically worldwide. What it will take to make this happen will take either time or something drastic. Till then
may as well. 
chatonlyman2: I understood what you wrote and liked it. There are big changes that need to be done politically worldwide. What it will take to make this happen will take either time or something drastic. Till then may as well.
good idea! 
galrads: good idea!
Coolwell everyone has a right to defense....countries have rights....it is interesting to note that the mexican govt is extremely harsh on refugees....anyways....i believe in the just war theory....that when it is absolutely necessary and all other means have been exhausted and if it right and it is just...otherwise am opposed....also so many people all over the place say what about this help with that...but when it comes down to it how many follow thru....
the question is being begged to b asked ...how many people really treat others how they want it....and even if we allow people in we cannot just have them running around doing whatever till they r legalized....there is a process...if they come here they have to expect some rules and regulations....they come here and at first we r feeding them when we have our own people going without and going to soup kitchens and picking up cans...i know this i work w the homeless a few days a week for yrs and yrs...some r cause of mental conditions...some r boozers...some do not know how to function in society...some ex prisoners....some r physically ill...i know a bunch of college kids who r up at 6 a.m. on the weekends helping these unfortunates...giving their clothes and time and help and attention to these people....a lot of people here r without work cause immigrants and illegals will do things under the table...there is a lot of injustice...a lot of pain...a lot of people hungry and cold....and on and on....that is why others must help...why is it always the same people over and over and over working their butts off for others who r rude and who have attitudes....it is a deplorable situation that is going on...and now we have even more work to do...but we do not shirk it....but people who criticize and do NOTHING to help homeless or immigrants or refugees...who in the world do they think they are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
who remembers that billy joel song...we didnt start the fire...it was always burning since the worlds been turning...etc etc...cola wars...i cant take it anymore!!!.....so much crap....everywhere....and it just keeps getting worse....but do we give up...no there is dignity in fighting back and standing up for decency!!! people,s individual rights for food and clothing and water and housing....
sweetiefireball: the question is being begged to b asked ...how many people really treat others how they want it....and even if we allow people in we cannot just have them running around doing whatever till they r legalized....there is a process...if they come here they have to expect some rules and regulations....they come here and at first we r feeding them when we have our own people going without and going to soup kitchens and picking up cans...i know this i work w the homeless a few days a week for yrs and yrs...some r cause of mental conditions...some r boozers...some do not know how to function in society...some ex prisoners....some r physically ill...i know a bunch of college kids who r up at 6 a.m. on the weekends helping these unfortunates...giving their clothes and time and help and attention to these people....a lot of people here r without work cause immigrants and illegals will do things under the table...there is a lot of injustice...a lot of pain...a lot of people hungry and cold....and on and on....that is why others must help...why is it always the same people over and over and over working their butts off for others who r rude and who have attitudes....it is a deplorable situation that is going on...and now we have even more work to do...but we do not shirk it....but people who criticize and do NOTHING to help homeless or immigrants or refugees...who in the world do they think they are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are not the only one helping people lady (assuming that you really do) and there are many ways to help people, besides cooking for them as a volunteer. Which, btw I used to do it when I was in USA.
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ahhhh....so how long were u in our country...u got what u wanted and needed and now....
what r u doing in ur own country to help....
sweetiefireball: ahhhh....so how long were u in our country...u got what u wanted and needed and now....
I spent 5 yr in USA and sorry to disappoint you but it was a legal staying
because of a family project, we went to school there and we did pay out-of-state tuition for graduate studies, which is obscenely expensive.We could have applied for residency but guess what? We did not want to, sorry to disappoint you again but not everyone dreams the “American Dream”.
ahhh...i was the orginator of this poll....hmmmmmmmmmmmm...interesting..............
why did u come here in the first place then...must have been some reason....no one made u come here did they.......
in my traveling days to neighboring countries and also european....i enjoyed the people and the places...and tried as much as i could in a short space of time to absorb the dif cultures as an artist....when one is a guest that is only proper manners and courtesy....
sweetiefireball: what r u doing in ur own country to help....
Very much like you say you do and the nature of my professional work has allowed me to help people to help themselves.
Poller: sweetiefireball
Category: Current Events & Politics
Poll: what should america do about all of the child immigrants
Post Author: sweetiefireball
Category: Current Events & Politics
Poll: what should america do about all of the child immigrants
Post Author: sweetiefireball
sweetiefireball: ahhh...i was the orginator of this poll....hmmmmmmmmmmmm...interesting..............
am curious why this attitude....why the assumptions ....does not make sense....energy should b expended in a positive way......
am curious why this attitude....why the assumptions ....does not make sense....energy should b expended in a positive way......
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