Why is there this abundance of chemistry coding and life forms living in this thin atmospheric coating of this planet and why are humans so massively superior intellectually and self aware ?
Massively superior intellectually??? Massive ego only. We are big frogs on a small pond. I'm not amazed at man's supposed vast intellectual superiority, I'm amazed at how utterly stupidly he uses it. Only one animal risks to destroy life on earth.
A quick look at the link shows no scientific fact used as evidence. Seems who ever wrote it has no understanding of science and has heard hearsay on theories rather that actually doing some hard research and have real facts and proofs to back up their ideas. The reason why science has moved forward as far as it has is that it tests its theories. If it can be disproven then it is no longer a theory. If you can point out some actual scientific fact that disproves these theories in this book by all means bring it forward for peer review as any accepted scientific theory most do.
Sep 22, 2009 6:51 AM CST Where we created by Religion or Evolution
CaySeaFollow the yellow brick road, Western Australia Australia15 Threads923 Posts
CaySeaFollow the yellow brick road, Western Australia Australia923 posts
donluciano: The proponents of the evolution theory believe that everything started with the big bang...
If u believe in evolution, have u ever asked the question,
...what caused the "big bang" actually?
So what made GOD? Did he appear from a big bang? Or just someones mind? Scientists are currently testing theories about how the big bang could have occurred. Makes for interesting read what they have found so far. Is there anyway to test the same for GOD other than faith?
RayfromUSA: Massively superior intellectually??? Massive ego only. We are big frogs on a small pond. I'm not amazed at man's supposed vast intellectual superiority, I'm amazed at how utterly stupidly he uses it. Only one animal risks to destroy life on earth.
I agree on how stupidly it gets used. Do you think God is happy with his creation now, or would he perhaps like another shot at it ?
CaySea: So what made GOD? Did he appear from a big bang? Or just someones mind? Scientists are currently testing theories about how the big bang could have occurred. Makes for interesting read what they have found so far. Is there anyway to test the same for GOD other than faith?
Faith is just a dead end street which encourages gullibility - it is the biggest con job ever played on mankind.
If somebody wants answers how are they to go about finding them? The most glaringly obvious answer to that is to ask questions and as you say, to test theories - what harm is there in asking questions
Any school of thought which discourages questioning its basic premise is decidedly dodgy.......... id even go so far as to say, decidedly dangerous!
When creationist scientists (*!&*%$0) come up against a problem they err on the side of the bible - Creationism is nothing but a fancy new suit for the christian apologists........
Faith is a wonderful comfort for many and for that it cant be knocked. Thats a certainty and I would never deny the comfort it brings to millions. Holding this opinion does make it difficult for me at times to be as against organised religion as I so obviously am - but it isnt about me or my opinions, its about the greater good of mankind and I seriously think that we have been hoodwinked!
Faith is a wonderful comfort for many and for that it cant be knocked. Thats a certainty and I would never deny the comfort it brings to millions. Holding this opinion does make it difficult for me at times to be as against organised religion as I so obviously am - but it isnt about me or my opinions, its about the greater good of mankind and I seriously think that we have been hoodwinked!
bigdipper59adelaide, South Australia Australia52 posts
one thing for sure with this subject and a a good question to debate and opinions will always be divided ,but on this one i feel you have to be respectful to people that give real input into the subject,who is right or who is wrong we will never no and each one of us are entitled to our views .i like to think there is a GOD.
There are theories besides the big bang - it isnt the us and them situation which the creationists seem to assume, there are different schools of though on this issue.
Think about this. If you were god, would you set things up where you had to keep changing things, or would you start it and watch to see what happened. Who said that god didnt start evolution all those millions of years ago. Just my two cents worth.
USThumper: Think about this. If you were god, would you set things up where you had to keep changing things, or would you start it and watch to see what happened. Who said that god didnt start evolution all those millions of years ago. Just my two cents worth.
USThumper: Think about this. If you were god, would you set things up where you had to keep changing things, or would you start it and watch to see what happened. Who said that god didnt start evolution all those millions of years ago. Just my two cents worth.
Yeh, maybe he did and then went off somewhere else to do the same thing, perhaps a little differently next time.
But the religious reckon he has been back, sent us a son etc, etc.
There is just zero proof of all this. We are on our own, deluded or otherwise.
RDM59: Yeh, maybe he did and then went off somewhere else to do the same thing, perhaps a little differently next time.
But the religious reckon he has been back, sent us a son etc, etc.
There is just zero proof of all this. We are on our own, deluded or otherwise.
Theres a theory on black holes that goes something like that but the Bible refers to 'the Firmament' which kind of puts the lid on any form of space exploration or anything and as the Bible is purported to be the innerent word of God that leaves the space explores proving the case for the evolutionists
kev147: Having read the origin of species i now firlmy believe in evolution and no longer believe in god whatsoever, and actually i feel quite angry i was forced into being a catholic for years, just wondering on your thoughts
donluciano: The proponents of the evolution theory believe that everything started with the big bang...
If u believe in evolution, have u ever asked the question,
...what caused the "big bang" actually?
Or what caused the cause of the big bang? Does the creator have a creator etc. etc.? What did the big bang take place in? And when did that begin? Is there something that did not begin? If so how could it be? If the universe really has limits then what is outside of that? It seems to me that there is a big? mystery to it all. It is rather miraculous that there is such a thing as existance at all. It would be equally as miraculous if there were no such thing as existance. Science has been discovering and explaining the things that exist within this mystery much to the dismay of religion which has had and continues to have a very shaky explanation of it all. However I cannot see where science will ever be able to explain the unexplainable, the mystery.
trish123: Faith is just a dead end street which encourages gullibility - it is the biggest con job ever played on mankind.
If somebody wants answers how are they to go about finding them? The most glaringly obvious answer to that is to ask questions and as you say, to test theories - what harm is there in asking questions
Any school of thought which discourages questioning its basic premise is decidedly dodgy.......... id even go so far as to say, decidedly dangerous!
When creationist scientists (*!&*%$0) come up against a problem they err on the side of the bible - Creationism is nothing but a fancy new suit for the christian apologists........
And what side do the non-creationist scientists err on?
Another thing I find very mysterious is that I am aware of awareness and that that did begin and it seems that it will end. That somewhere along the line I will not exist just as it was before I was conceived. Did awareness evolve? And what might it's purpose be?
The field is too vast to try to address comprehensively. It has to be broken down into bite sized pieces.
I'd like to look just at one little point here.
The "evolution" camp inevitably traces creation back to a "big bang" when nothingness first imploded upon itself and then exploded into light, that quckly condensed into matter from which everything else was created.
Sounds really scientific doesn't it?
But it's not. It's religious. It's basic Kabbalist doctrine.
The whole big bang theory is nothing in the world but kabbalist myth disguised as science.
The same is true for Freud's "id" "ego" and "super-ego" and a lot of other supposed "science" including the modern scam that calls itself quantum-physics.
Religion is being sold as science. And it's not just any religion. It's religion who's very purpose is to supplant belief in God and replace it with the belief that the "self" is God.
It's going to take a lot of explaining to support all that so I'll start with just the part about the big bang.
Did it originate from scientific study, or was it just kabbalist doctrine painted over with a scientific veneer?
First lets see where the BB theory "officially" came from.
As always in such scams, it is pretended that the Big Bang theory was derived from sound science. Opening statement from the Wikipedia article Big Bang:
The Big Bang is the cosmological model of the initial conditions and subsequent development of the Universe that is supported by the most comprehensive and accurate explanations from current scientific evidence and observation.
They don't leave any room for personal analysis do they. The first statement is that all debate is closed. Big Bang wins. Like Al Gore declaring that the debate is closed on Global Warming. You know you're being scammed when "science" is closed to debate. True science depends on always questioning supposed "truths".
Closer inspection of the Big Bang theory shows that even among the bang-gang there is no consensus of how it all took place. In fact there is so much diversity of thought that it's hard to even say that the theory has any substance whatsoever.
From the very same Wikipedia article that, in its first paragraph, pretended a unquestionable consensus among scientists for the Big Bang theory.
"All ideas concerning the very early universe (cosmogony) are speculative. As of today no accelerator experiments probe energies of sufficient magnitude to provide any insight into the period. All proposed scenarios differ radically, some examples being: the Hartle-Hawking initial state, string landscape, brane inflation, string gas cosmology, and the ekpyrotic universe. Some of these are mutually compatible, while others are not."
Doesn't seem like such a consensus after all does it? About all they agree on is the name. And there's a reason for that.
Running out of space and time here. I'll continue this later.
Sep 22, 2009 9:40 AM CST Where we created by Religion or Evolution
emannigolJossakin Pirkanmaalla, Southern Finland Finland356 Posts
emannigolJossakin Pirkanmaalla, Southern Finland Finland356 posts
RayfromUSA: They don't leave any room for personal analysis do they. The first statement is that all debate is closed. Big Bang wins. Like Al Gore declaring that the debate is closed on Global Warming. You know you're being scammed when "science" is closed to debate. True science depends on always questioning supposed "truths".
First your problem is that the case is closed.
RayfromUSA: Closer inspection of the Big Bang theory shows that even among the bang-gang there is no consensus of how it all took place. In fact there is so much diversity of thought that it's hard to even say that the theory has any substance whatsoever.
Then your problem is that the case isn't closed after all.
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Why is there this abundance of chemistry coding and life forms living in this thin atmospheric coating of this planet and why are humans so massively superior intellectually and self aware ?
Massively superior intellectually???
Massive ego only.
We are big frogs on a small pond.
I'm not amazed at man's supposed vast intellectual superiority, I'm amazed at how utterly stupidly he uses it.
Only one animal risks to destroy life on earth.