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kev147: Having read the origin of species i now firlmy believe in evolution and no longer believe in god whatsoever,
and actually i feel quite angry i was forced into being a catholic for years,
just wondering on your thoughts
i think of it as one and the same, religion didnt create anything but away to get at your money, but if we are talking about a creator, or source of all things, then whatever it is god or whatever, then it or however any of us call it created the means for evolution to exist here, and is the universe, so for me they are one.and actually i feel quite angry i was forced into being a catholic for years,
just wondering on your thoughts
RDM59: But for us to create, we have a goal, we have a plan.
Was there a plan and control in the creation of the universe, or just random chemical chance and because of the vastness or infinity of it, all posibilities and physical forms must occur somewhere ?
Was there a plan and control in the creation of the universe, or just random chemical chance and because of the vastness or infinity of it, all posibilities and physical forms must occur somewhere ?
Let me tell you what I think. I think our knowledge is limited - if it weren't we would have figured everything out already, they would be nothing else to discover. We are a highly intelligent life form BUT as we acquire MORE knowledge of things we do one of two things, we either use our new found knowledge for good or we use it against ourselves or others. If we found out once and for all that we...just happened one day or if we found out that we were planned and created and placed here - what would that knowledge do for us? How would we see ourselves and others? That is the real question.
YES THERE IS A GOD....DEAL WITH IT
i just spoke with him on the phone....
i just spoke with him on the phone....
tainogirl: Let me tell you what I think. I think our knowledge is limited - if it weren't we would have figured everything out already, they would be nothing else to discover. We are a highly intelligent life form BUT as we acquire MORE knowledge of things we do one of two things, we either use our new found knowledge for good or we use it against ourselves or others. If we found out once and for all that we...just happened one day or if we found out that we were planned and created and placed here - what would that knowledge do for us? How would we see ourselves and others? That is the real question.
hi there smiley,
leonjs48: hi there smiley,
Hey you. How are you doing?
No1knows1: Maybe! Just Maybe! we were put here as food for Aliens! There are so many planets that are of same distance from a sun as ours it isn't funny! Maybe our planet is one of just many thousands of paddocks in the entire universe full of humans as we call ourselves!but we really are just cows ready for the harvest!,Would explain why many thousands vanish every year never to be found, and UFO sightings!
Its just the Harvest! But they won't touch me as I breed 5 daughters, so they have put me in the good stud retirement pasture!!! Sounds ludicrous hey! still it can not be proven or disproven and has much merit as any other theory! and I believe that many people actually have this as a belief.
Its just the Harvest! But they won't touch me as I breed 5 daughters, so they have put me in the good stud retirement pasture!!! Sounds ludicrous hey! still it can not be proven or disproven and has much merit as any other theory! and I believe that many people actually have this as a belief.
Well if you are right the zoo keepers had better return quickly as the animals are close to drowning in their own piss and CO2 and running out of space and food.
azdesperado72: The one that made me step away from evolution was when they did a DNA test on a tooth (bare in mind they used this single tooth to construct an entire theory of the creature it came from) and it was found to be a pigs tooth (however the link the human evolutionary chain wasn't altered after this was discovered.)
You're mixing things up. At that time DNA wasn't even found yet.
azdesperado72: Personally, I look at the complexity of the various species. I also look at things like blood clotting where it takes over 30 proteins that all have to occur in the precise sequence and amounts and I struggle with the thought that this occured by chance.
Did you know that some animals have different types of clotting factors?
Ever heard of natural selection? If there is selection it is not anymore a matter of pure chance.
lonelycowboy101: why does the
(D N A) not even faintly resemble Ape (D N A). Many are trying to float the bloon now that we were seaded here by space aliens.
(D N A) not even faintly resemble Ape (D N A). Many are trying to float the bloon now that we were seaded here by space aliens.
Depending on a method of measuring human and chimp DNA are sharing 96-98,5 %. Human and mouse DNA are sharing approximately 60 %. All known life are sharing more or less of same DNA. Closer related species share more DNA than distantly related.
emannigol: Depending on a method of measuring human and chimp DNA are sharing 96-98,5 %. Human and mouse DNA are sharing approximately 60 %. All known life are sharing more or less of same DNA. Closer related species share more DNA than distantly related.
thanks for that detail.RDM59: Well if you are right the zoo keepers had better return quickly as the animals are close to drowning in their own piss and CO2 and running out of space and food.
Too true mate! their crop is wilting fast,
Boban1: YES THERE IS A GOD....DEAL WITH IT
i just spoke with him on the phone....
i just spoke with him on the phone....
Was that on the " Big White Telephone " Bob ?
Too much vodka making you sick perhaps ....
... Oh, GOD !!
lonelycowboy101: with all respect this is a question that will get tempers flying . I respect you opinion on evolution . I personaly can not agree with it At one point man just appeared on this planet an older version but man. Now they say the average heigth for man in just the 1800"s was 5'5 for whatever reason gravity change or diet who knows . They said we came from monkey's but the monkey's are still in there primal state. Now (D N A) has proven that man came from one founding Mother they think from Africa. why does the
(D N A) not even faintly resemble Ape (D N A). Many are trying to float the bloon now that we were seaded here by space aliens.
This is one reason people who believe in god having created everything etc. etc. don't understand or accept the overwhelming evidence of the origins of all life on this planet including humans having evolved from simpler organisms. Scientists never said we evolved from monkeys, but from an "ape like" animal who walked upright. Yes apes and monkeys are still here but most likely they were also here millions of years ago in virtually the same form as they have today.(D N A) not even faintly resemble Ape (D N A). Many are trying to float the bloon now that we were seaded here by space aliens.
When a species reaches a level of evolution that renders him successful in his environment the pressure to evolve further is no longer present and he doesn't evolve further. This is why certain species haven't changed in 10's of millions of years. There is no need. want an example? The lowly cockroach, the Shark, the Mosquito!
Creationists keep asking the same ignorant question about monkeys because they only read the headlines or look at the pictures, instead of delving into the text.
If you want pfoof of evolution you need only look at your children or the 100's of breeds of dogs that didn't exist a meer 200 years ago. Man has guided the evolution of the dog in 200 years what would have taken millions of years to produce.
and once again we got off the track ....
religion is`nt our creator... we created religion
evolution is a theory created by Man
religion is`nt our creator... we created religion
evolution is a theory created by Man
ooby_dooby: This is one reason people who believe in god having created everything etc. etc. don't understand or accept the overwhelming evidence of the origins of all life on this planet including humans having evolved from simpler organisms. Scientists never said we evolved from monkeys, but from an "ape like" animal who walked upright. Yes apes and monkeys are still here but most likely they were also here millions of years ago in virtually the same form as they have today.
When a species reaches a level of evolution that renders him successful in his environment the pressure to evolve further is no longer present and he doesn't evolve further. This is why certain species haven't changed in 10's of millions of years. There is no need. want an example? The lowly cockroach, the Shark, the Mosquito!
Creationists keep asking the same ignorant question about monkeys because they only read the headlines or look at the pictures, instead of delving into the text.
If you want pfoof of evolution you need only look at your children or the 100's of breeds of dogs that didn't exist a meer 200 years ago. Man has guided the evolution of the dog in 200 years what would have taken millions of years to produce.
When a species reaches a level of evolution that renders him successful in his environment the pressure to evolve further is no longer present and he doesn't evolve further. This is why certain species haven't changed in 10's of millions of years. There is no need. want an example? The lowly cockroach, the Shark, the Mosquito!
Creationists keep asking the same ignorant question about monkeys because they only read the headlines or look at the pictures, instead of delving into the text.
If you want pfoof of evolution you need only look at your children or the 100's of breeds of dogs that didn't exist a meer 200 years ago. Man has guided the evolution of the dog in 200 years what would have taken millions of years to produce.
I think this is slightly wrong. For one I dont believe monkeys and apes were around in their current form when our common ancestor was. Thats what we evolved from. And my understanding is animals evolve through mutations and adaptions that prove successful in their environments. Evolution in this sense does not stop. No creature I am aware of is entirely adaptable to any environment.
tainogirl: Let me tell you what I think. I think our knowledge is limited - if it weren't we would have figured everything out already, they would be nothing else to discover. We are a highly intelligent life form BUT as we acquire MORE knowledge of things we do one of two things, we either use our new found knowledge for good or we use it against ourselves or others. If we found out once and for all that we...just happened one day or if we found out that we were planned and created and placed here - what would that knowledge do for us? How would we see ourselves and others? That is the real question.
I think our quest for knowledge is just starting and that there is no limit. Look what has been achieved in just a blink of time. The unification of physics by Isaac Newton and more recently electromagnetism by James Clerk Maxwell, 1864. An incredible juncture in science paving the way for electronics to transform communication, computing, elecron-microscopes to delve into the micro biological, genetic and chemical worlds and radio telescopes to look out into space with infra red eyes. It is all just begining.
Of course the military will always hi-jack the new found knowledge and manipulate it for evil intent, this cannot be avoided in human nature unforunately, but this has always been a by-product of a discovery for the good and the quest of understanding.
I am okay living with the concept of being here by chemical chance. I don't how the religious would take to it, should it ever be proven ?
OK here is the final proof of evolution.
my thought is that we are as we are because of time and change.
No spaghetti monster with its noodley appendages reached down and said; you will walk upright, have hair on some parts of your body, stink when you sweat and pray in buildings where some of you secretly think you are better then others.
But that's just my thought.
I am not angry at the churchs, they do what they firmly believe is correct.
So be it, just don't get all complainy when someone doesn't share the same belief.
No spaghetti monster with its noodley appendages reached down and said; you will walk upright, have hair on some parts of your body, stink when you sweat and pray in buildings where some of you secretly think you are better then others.
But that's just my thought.
I am not angry at the churchs, they do what they firmly believe is correct.
So be it, just don't get all complainy when someone doesn't share the same belief.
Religion created us then we evolved into an advanced species.
Question: Has anyone seen a monkey become a human? If evolution existed it would still be continuing and never ending. Now, since the lastest finds of human bones who were actually human who had made tools of metal, lived in stone houses and had writing and even written on stone tablets with paintings showing their lifestyle that is over 135,000 years ago, I think it shows a clear example that evolution is nothing but for those who refuse to accept they were created by God. Now monkeys had to come from somewhere, the planet had to come from somewhere and life doesn't just pop up in a trillion different ways out of nothing.
If you believe in Evolution, here is your ancestors offspring.
If you believe in Evolution, here is your ancestors offspring.
Question: Has anyone seen a monkey become a human? If evolution existed it would still be continuing and never ending. Now, since the lastest finds of human bones who were actually human who had made tools of metal, lived in stone houses and had writing and even written on stone tablets with paintings showing their lifestyle that is over 135,000 years ago, I think it shows a clear example that evolution is nothing but for those who refuse to accept they were created by God. Now monkeys had to come from somewhere, the planet had to come from somewhere and life doesn't just pop up in a trillion different ways out of nothing.
If you believe in Evolution, here is your ancestors offspring.
If you believe in Evolution, here is your ancestors offspring.
pastortim: Question: Has anyone seen a monkey become a human?
I don't think so. That doesn't have anything to to with evolution though.
pastortim: If evolution existed it would still be continuing and never ending.
Who says it isn't still happening?
"In biology, evolution is change in the genetic material of a population of organisms from one generation to the next."
pastortim: Now, since the lastest finds of human bones who were actually human who had made tools of metal, lived in stone houses and had writing and even written on stone tablets with paintings showing their lifestyle that is over 135,000 years ago, I think it shows a clear example that evolution is nothing but for those who refuse to accept they were created by God.
Found where by whom and published where?
pastortim: Now monkeys had to come from somewhere, the planet had to come from somewhere and life doesn't just pop up in a trillion different ways out of nothing.
Now, isn't that just what creationists are claiming?
pastortim: If you believe in Evolution, here is your ancestors offspring.
And here's the image of god; the crown of creation.
pastortim: Question: Has anyone seen a monkey become a human? If evolution existed it would still be continuing and never ending. Now, since the lastest finds of human bones who were actually human who had made tools of metal, lived in stone houses and had writing and even written on stone tablets with paintings showing their lifestyle that is over 135,000 years ago, I think it shows a clear example that evolution is nothing but for those who refuse to accept they were created by God. Now monkeys had to come from somewhere, the planet had to come from somewhere and life doesn't just pop up in a trillion different ways out of nothing.
If you believe in Evolution, here is your ancestors offspring.
Yep,that Pissin' Monkey which is actually an Ape lived there!If you believe in Evolution, here is your ancestors offspring.
pastortim: Question: Has anyone seen a monkey become a human? If evolution existed it would still be continuing and never ending. Now, since the lastest finds of human bones who were actually human who had made tools of metal, lived in stone houses and had writing and even written on stone tablets with paintings showing their lifestyle that is over 135,000 years ago, I think it shows a clear example that evolution is nothing but for those who refuse to accept they were created by God. Now monkeys had to come from somewhere, the planet had to come from somewhere and life doesn't just pop up in a trillion different ways out of nothing.
If you believe in Evolution, here is your ancestors offspring.
If you believe in Evolution, here is your ancestors offspring.
i think a caveman who have more insight than this
emannigol: Please do not remove quotes out of the context creating them unintended meanings.
Clearly you can see from the context that it was intended as a response to a post, where evolutionary ancestors and their descendants were shown as monkeys pissing all over themselves. Point of my post was to demonstrate how the heritage of humanity isn't all so glorious who ever you believe our ancestors were.
My quoting you was simply pointing out your choice of wording vs the static to express your retaliative response. Clearly you can see from the context that it was intended as a response to a post, where evolutionary ancestors and their descendants were shown as monkeys pissing all over themselves. Point of my post was to demonstrate how the heritage of humanity isn't all so glorious who ever you believe our ancestors were.
To say; "And here's the image of god; the crown of creation." and then show a static of a man pointing a gun at another mans head is in itself, misleading to the context you were trying to convey.
If you had stated something as such; "And here's the image of Satan; the crown of deception." that static would not have been misleading. As God and Satan are two seperate beings, yet, both are described within religion.
"God" is often used to express evil doings while Satan rarely gets mentioned.
I understood what you were try to convey and I apologize if I had offended you.
kev147: i think a caveman who have more insight than this
Yep,he is the Voice of the Eternal Savage!Do caterpillars give birth to caterpillars or do butterflies?
Over 3,000 scientific facts which annihilate evolutionary theory.
Over 3,000 scientific facts which annihilate evolutionary theory.
kev147: Having read the origin of species i now firlmy believe in evolution and no longer believe in god whatsoever,
and actually i feel quite angry i was forced into being a catholic for years,
just wondering on your thoughts
and actually i feel quite angry i was forced into being a catholic for years,
just wondering on your thoughts
The proponents of the evolution theory believe that everything started with the big bang...
If u believe in evolution, have u ever asked the question,
...what caused the "big bang" actually?
Were we created by Religion or Evolution?
Neither, we were created by the creator.
Neither, we were created by the creator.
YouMeUs: If you had stated something as such; "And here's the image of Satan; the crown of deception." that static would not have been misleading. As God and Satan are two seperate beings, yet, both are described within religion.
"God" is often used to express evil doings while Satan rarely gets mentioned.
I understood what you were try to convey and I apologize if I had offended you.
"God" is often used to express evil doings while Satan rarely gets mentioned.
I understood what you were try to convey and I apologize if I had offended you.
According to Bible man was created as the image of God and is also described as the crown of creation. So, I think my reference was appropriate. Descendant of pissing monkey vs. crown of creation. No matter how we got here I'd be glad if lack house training would be our only fault.
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I think you should check your DNA story, for example I've read that a human has about 99% the same DNA as a mouse.
Maybe! Just Maybe! we were put here as food for Aliens! There are so many planets that are of same distance from a sun as ours it isn't funny! Maybe our planet is one of just many thousands of paddocks in the entire universe full of humans as we call ourselves!but we really are just cows ready for the harvest!,Would explain why many thousands vanish every year never to be found, and UFO sightings!
Its just the Harvest! But they won't touch me as I breed 5 daughters, so they have put me in the good stud retirement pasture!!! Sounds ludicrous hey! still it can not be proven or disproven and has much merit as any other theory! and I believe that many people actually have this as a belief.