petalbabeOgdensburg, New York, Cork Ireland3,101 posts
rizlared: Perhaps you should persuade her to live in Italy, here 70% no longer go to church, a sad indictment of how the people view the POPE
Or not so sad depending on your thinking
Religion is not good and should come with a government health warning.
I agree with this Riz. I consider myself a "Christian" person, but rarely actually go to church. But because I do not actually enter a church per se, my sister considers I am going straight to Hell..
Maybe I am!!
I have always respected her views, and those of her husband, although I disagree completely with him most of the time as he is very narrow minded and biggoted toward other religions other than his own. They do not possess a TV, and only watch religious videos through a monitor. My sister educates her young son at home, because she does not want him to mix with 'non-believers"
I respect her for her strength of view, but find it equally frustrating and sad that she can be so blinkered..
I hope at some point we can come to some agreement, my sis and me, but at the moment it seems impossible. Which of course, is made even more sad by the fact that Im now in the same country as her..
Oh well..
Hope you are well, my friend..
Hi Petal,
I think for a Situation as You Describe, I think a Letter is a ONE WAY CONVERSASTION, they cannot argue Back, but continiue to hear your Point of view. I dont think I have ever stoped reading a letter until i was thru.... so Send her a letter, and give it a try, I know, you have done this probably! But do it again, and Regain Thou Sister.....
And Matbe she has something that you need to zip up and listen to, Just a Hope FOR YOU, but try it
petalbabeOgdensburg, New York, Cork Ireland3,101 posts
HotrodLarrys: Hi Petal,
I think for a Situation as You Describe, I think a Letter is a ONE WAY CONVERSASTION, they cannot argue Back, but continiue to hear your Point of view. I dont think I have ever stoped reading a letter until i was thru.... so Send her a letter, and give it a try, I know, you have done this probably! But do it again, and Regain Thou Sister.....
And Matbe she has something that you need to zip up and listen to, Just a Hope FOR YOU, but try it
Hi Larry
Well, I have tried emailing with her, and suchlike, but the outcome is always the same. I am also very skeptical that it is actually my sister that writes the emails, and not her husband, but that is pure conjecture on my part..
It is quite simple for me, and I cannot understand why she cannot grasp it. All I want is for her to respect my views, as I respect hers. I have no doubt that she considers her views correct, and I have had to bite my tongue on NUMEROUS occasions in order to avoid all out war. But it seems it does not work both ways..
petalbabe: I agree with this Riz. I consider myself a "Christian" person, but rarely actually go to church. But because I do not actually enter a church per se, my sister considers I am going straight to Hell..
Maybe I am!!
I have always respected her views, and those of her husband, although I disagree completely with him most of the time as he is very narrow minded and biggoted toward other religions other than his own. They do not possess a TV, and only watch religious videos through a monitor. My sister educates her young son at home, because she does not want him to mix with 'non-believers"
I respect her for her strength of view, but find it equally frustrating and sad that she can be so blinkered..
That is so wrong, not just because of the religious angle, but the way this will affect the childs social skills and ability to think for himself.
I went to a Very High Church of England school, we had chapel every morning and evening, but even so, we were taught about other religions and to form our own minds about Christianity,we were encouraged to read and ask question about religion and, once we had passed a particular age, Chapel became voluntary.
To isolate, will only cause confusion in later life and could turn the child against his parents completely. In my view. No offence intended.
I feel u, and I go through that problem 2. I'm a Christian but I don't expect any1 2 change 4 me cuse ppl r taught 2 accept ppl 4 who they r. But seriously, it's nothin but da devil so don't let it bother u. Da Bible sayz in da end EVERY knee shall bow and that includez ppl that r bothered by religion n those that aren't.
petalbabeOgdensburg, New York, Cork Ireland3,101 posts
rizlared: That is so wrong, not just because of the religious angle, but the way this will affect the childs social skills and ability to think for himself.
I went to a Very High Church of England school, we had chapel every morning and evening, but even so, we were taught about other religions and to form our own minds about Christianity,we were encouraged to read and ask question about religion and, once we had passed a particular age, Chapel became voluntary.
To isolate, will only cause confusion in later life and could turn the child against his parents completely. In my view. No offence intended.
Oh, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU, Riz! I find the concept of home schooling in general a rather difficult one to accept anyway, but when it stems from a fear of religious dilution, I find it even more scary.
I have expressed my concerns on this score to my sister several times, but of course in the end it is her child, and her right to do what she chooses with his education.
I personally think that home schooling is generally not good for the child, because they miss out on the normal socialising and dealing with peer pressure issues that are so important in coping with life as an adult..
Well, I have tried emailing with her, and suchlike, but the outcome is always the same. I am also very skeptical that it is actually my sister that writes the emails, and not her husband, but that is pure conjecture on my part..
It is quite simple for me, and I cannot understand why she cannot grasp it. All I want is for her to respect my views, as I respect hers. I have no doubt that she considers her views correct, and I have had to bite my tongue on NUMEROUS occasions in order to avoid all out war. But it seems it does not work both ways..
I just feel that I have to sit back, and wait..
So Sad Petal, but I think you are right at that point, But do things, Little thing, To show her Love,Send Her a Card, in THE MAIL, Or Male
Do Just a few little things, surprise her at her work with Flowers on her birthday,
Maybe send her a Pair of Earings, and say, Just Because!!!!
No Explanation, just do something..... and then Wait !
They dont bother me, I used to invite the mormons inside and debate biblical stuff while drinking beer. As long as they can tolerate me I can tolerate them. The less popular the religion is the cooler they are in my experience.
MILO_00: Nobody can tell you its the fire for you lady!..lol because its your journey...and they may have to eat their words later in time if your life did shoot off into that direction. "Foot in mouth" for those who do that kind of summing people up in a very very short space of time. l dont even think like that..l dont walk around going "oh look at that person,or did you hear that..theyre going to hell" lts just crazy suicidal judgement that may just put the flames right under their own butts!
l absolutely love it when you meet really calm uninflated people who can have open conversations about it and not even feel they need to rearrange your head.:)
I am a man who goes to Church every Sunday and I am a man of faith, but 'super' and extra religious types do bother me. Some are just way over the top!
Religion can make people more civil out of obligation to God if nothing else which I think is great if nothing else. And I can slightly relate to people of many major religions, also.
I know their are some kind atheists out there. I heard of one who is rich and gave money to Jewsih kids for years to make up for what others had done to their ancesters. He believed they were behind on having adding to their populations because of an injustice and he wanted to make things seem a bit more fair on earth. That was beautiful even though quite different.
I am rather laid back considering what others seem to expect from a Catholic. I have met people here in the south that are so fire and brimstone it is sickening. I cannot quote anything out of Bible, but I know what the 10 Commandments are. I live by the general rule of compassion and acceptance. I never criticize what others do or say. I don't go to church and they do, so it puts them high above others. When they are not in church they are anything, but Christian like.
xxfrecklesxxBanyeres de Mariola, Valencia Spain1,568 posts
I dont mind if people are religous, I do mind it being shoved down my throat or being told im 'wrong' being an atheist, and I was once told that I was stupid and uneducated because I didnt believe...shame he didnt know that I got top marks in religous education at school!!
If you want to believe... fine go ahead, but dont come knocking at my door..especailly when im in the bath!! as happened once
xxfrecklesxx: I dont mind if people are religous, I do mind it being shoved down my throat or being told im 'wrong' being an atheist, and I was once told that I was stupid and uneducated because I didnt believe...shame he didnt know that I got top marks in religous education at school!!
If you want to believe... fine go ahead, but dont come knocking at my door..especailly when im in the bath!! as happened once
How about the people (like the ones on earlier threads of this flavor) that trash anyone of faith and associate them with a very narrow ugly stereotype? The ones that try to force their way on anyone else?
A bigoted zealot of either extreme is a pain but they are not the average believer or non-believer.
The ONLY ones I am bothered by are the ones who try to FORCE their beliefs/unbeliefs down on me! Regardless if it's a christian, athiest, buddhist, druid, agnostic, or whatever else I forgot to mention...I am a VERY open-minded person until it comes to forcefulness. Then it's case closed. Period.
finaly a thread i can be my self in and be open and honest
i am bothered by religous people especialy the doom and gloom preachers
religon has done nothing but caused trouble with in our countrys to the point were inocent people have been killed for no reason
as a kid i wss raised up a catholic i had to put up with being taken to church on sunday my mothers parents use to take me to church and al i would hear is if you dont pray the virgin wil be mad with you and god wil strike you were you stand i had nothing but the churches teaching and doctrine forced down my throat when i came to australia i rebelled and told my old man i never ever want to step foot into a church i dont want to hear that i am an evil person and if a nun or priest tels me i need to repent i will fully have a go at them
its like this religous lot want to take our free wil of us to the point were the mold us to how they wer raised and we become robbots
ther are some fruit loops out ther and ther are some dangerous ones who go way over board
i will only put up with so much and then i get my own back
i am an open minded peron but when i see you are showing me no respect as a humen being to the point were your views are rammed down my throat watch it
what i do is no religous persons concern
who i share my house with is no religous persons concern
time you religous lot take a good look at your selves and evalute what you have alowed your selves to believe in
ask your self this question the teachings you have taken on are your leaders able to lead by example what do you know about your leaders are they real and do they take intrest in you as a person
are they realy intrested in you or your hard earnt savings do they alow you to use the brain god gave you ?
and what is it with gaing approval from your leaders why do you allways seek advice cant you religous people think for your selves with out feeling guilty thinking that you wil be punished ?
i personally will talk to any christian , everyone has different beliefs, but i will not stand idly by and be judged, i quit going to church as it just more or less became a gossip hour. the sermons were like the preacher pointing his finger at certain people, i don't believe in hypacrits. probably not spelled right but you know what i mean.
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Or not so sad depending on your thinking
Religion is not good and should come with a government health warning.
I agree with this Riz. I consider myself a "Christian" person, but rarely actually go to church. But because I do not actually enter a church per se, my sister considers I am going straight to Hell..
Maybe I am!!
I have always respected her views, and those of her husband, although I disagree completely with him most of the time as he is very narrow minded and biggoted toward other religions other than his own. They do not possess a TV, and only watch religious videos through a monitor. My sister educates her young son at home, because she does not want him to mix with 'non-believers"
I respect her for her strength of view, but find it equally frustrating and sad that she can be so blinkered..