Hi. I am a religious person and have been surprised when I hear people say that religious people are judgmental when I know CERTAINLY... WOULD NEVER expect someone to change because of me. I just give my opinions either to inspire others, or to attract what I see as the "good" guy or girl types (of course that is even precieved in many ways.)I never say..."If you don't do this or that you are in major trouble with God." I could ceratinly wonder about it.
Also..some people have prejudged me and thought I might not like alot of the things they do because I am a "straight-laced" and goody-goody type in ways. That's worse then judgmental anyway, which is JUST sharing an opinion, but not until you've heard the INDIVIDUAL say themselves what they ARE.
I'm christian, but I don't put it the first thing in my life...I knew this ladie who would yell at me saying that if I didn't dedicate my whole life to god, then I was going to hell. I'm a very open minded person am respect everyones religion, but she was saying that even other religion (like buddist) are going to hell...and I think thats wrong.
LovelySerene: I'm christian, but I don't put it the first thing in my life...I knew this ladie who would yell at me saying that if I didn't dedicate my whole life to god, then I was going to hell. I'm a very open minded person am respect everyones religion, but she was saying that even other religion (like buddist) are going to hell...and I think thats wrong.
Hmmm, sounds like a debate. haha. Well, as far as the Buddist religion, they will go where their god is going, but not to the Heaven Jesus lives in. To mention, Jesus said you have to Believe in Him in order to go where He is. But just for a good reference to remind those out there that not everyone is going to the same place. That little short heavy set fella isn't Jesus. It's just they have the choice to believe in what religion they want, if they choose to believe in a Rock, that is their preference. As Christians we must face what the Bible teaches us, otherwise why even believe in the Bible at all. God has set the standards and the rules, we have no say so in that and cannot make up our own rules and who will go to Heaven or not. It was God who set the standards and rules for which we must obey or pay the price.
Sure, some will say if you don't believe in this or that you will go to hell, but if they are Christian and say it they are just mearly repeating what is written in the Bible and not using it for a scare tactic, but so many will twist it around and say its a scare tactic. haha, so our hands are tied and what can we do but let them choose without hearing the truth or do we say, maybe they will want to read the Christian Bible just once and then decide. If they choose not to believe it after reading it, then you did your best, they made their choice. Its like a big catch 22, either we are bad for trying to perhaps save them by telling them the word and they think its a scare tactic or we are bad for not telling them about the word. But yes, we cannot push it upon anyone and just let them choose.
Jesus said, Whoever Believes in me shall be saved. Pretty simple. But of course we need to ask forgiveness for our stupid sins, but its pretty basic. However, our actions show what we believe and if we are truly following Jesus in our ways. When people start getting really deep into the subject as to what a Christian is or should be like, I just say, all that was required is that we follow the Ten Commandments and Beleive in Jesus and of course ask for Forgivenss and you are in good hands. It is a lot harder to do than everyone thinks it is. Some days I just want to push that big red button over and over again. haha.
pastortim: Hmmm, sounds like a debate. haha. Well, as far as the Buddist religion, they will go where their god is going, but not to the Heaven Jesus lives in. To mention, Jesus said you have to Believe in Him in order to go where He is. But just for a good reference to remind those out there that not everyone is going to the same place. That little short heavy set fella isn't Jesus. It's just they have the choice to believe in what religion they want, if they choose to believe in a Rock, that is their preference. As Christians we must face what the Bible teaches us, otherwise why even believe in the Bible at all. God has set the standards and the rules, we have no say so in that and cannot make up our own rules and who will go to Heaven or not. It was God who set the standards and rules for which we must obey or pay the price.
Sure, some will say if you don't believe in this or that you will go to hell, but if they are Christian and say it they are just mearly repeating what is written in the Bible and not using it for a scare tactic, but so many will twist it around and say its a scare tactic. haha, so our hands are tied and what can we do but let them choose without hearing the truth or do we say, maybe they will want to read the Christian Bible just once and then decide. If they choose not to believe it after reading it, then you did your best, they made their choice. Its like a big catch 22, either we are bad for trying to perhaps save them by telling them the word and they think its a scare tactic or we are bad for not telling them about the word. But yes, we cannot push it upon anyone and just let them choose.
Jesus said, Whoever Believes in me shall be saved. Pretty simple. But of course we need to ask forgiveness for our stupid sins, but its pretty basic. However, our actions show what we believe and if we are truly following Jesus in our ways. When people start getting really deep into the subject as to what a Christian is or should be like, I just say, all that was required is that we follow the Ten Commandments and Beleive in Jesus and of course ask for Forgivenss and you are in good hands. It is a lot harder to do than everyone thinks it is. Some days I just want to push that big red button over and over again. haha.
pastortim: Hmmm, sounds like a debate. haha. Well, as far as the Buddist religion, they will go where their god is going, but not to the Heaven Jesus lives in. To mention, Jesus said you have to Believe in Him in order to go where He is. But just for a good reference to remind those out there that not everyone is going to the same place. That little short heavy set fella isn't Jesus. It's just they have the choice to believe in what religion they want, if they choose to believe in a Rock, that is their preference.
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Some days I just want to push that big red button over and over again. haha.
A somewhat defamatory remark about a religion thats centuries older than Christianity. Plus what you are saying is that those born before Jesus by your definition will be sent to hell, what did they do wrong?, if your God was so all seeing all powerful, he would have shown those in Botswana (Thought to be the birthplace of religion) that his was the "Only and Right path" to follow.
But no, he waited until just 2009 years ago and then hey presto, in comes a guy to lead the sheep.
Our belief is just that "OURS", and neither you or I should foist those beliefs on others, there are places to go to for that.
rizlared: A somewhat defamatory remark about a religion thats centuries older than Christianity. Plus what you are saying is that those born before Jesus by your definition will be sent to hell, what did they do wrong?, if your God was so all seeing all powerful, he would have shown those in Botswana (Thought to be the birthplace of religion) that his was the "Only and Right path" to follow.
But no, he waited until just 2009 years ago and then hey presto, in comes a guy to lead the sheep.Our belief is just that "OURS", and neither you or I should foist those beliefs on others, there are places to go to for that.
almera03: God is in my heart ....so i don't need someone trying to ram it down my throat
sawadee ka almera,yes that is it,that is all that counts,also these missionarys come here from other counrtys trying preach new methods new ways every day....
I might be wrong but...Wasn't Jesus a JEW??? A Torah-Living, righteous guy?? Funny how many people spun his words for their own that they might gain more importance through such a man. We'll see when we get THERE. Play nice we were put to live on a big ball with gravity for a reason!!!
To push it is wrong and pushes people away. When it is being talked I join in. I try to get them (already on the subject) to study more and get a Strong's. But knocking doors or pushing is a no no. To hand someone a track to invite them to hear is enough. The Father will lead those he wills.
I am far from a good example of the faith. I am alone in all directions from fellowship. I have much to overcome that was done upon me before I get back that stolen from me by Christians.
But live the life and people do see it and do ask of you understanding and answers. Don't be sickening sweet type of person.....just normal under the word. People many many times asked if I was a preacher without ever using the buzz words to show I was of the faith. I was normal, but I was patient, kind, ...etc.
I think it is stupid to tell a story of killing a deer and follow it by.....example: and that deer fell dead right next to the truck...."Praise the Lord....Thank ya Jesus!!!!" Shame on those who do such.
I am ashamed that I am not as I was.....so please forgive me my faults! I have learn much in my troubles....I hope I will be a better person for it as I return to the faith.
I type too much! Alone and caring will do that to ya!
Extremists are never pleasant.... If you mean them then I've very much bothered. If you mean people of faith who share but leave others to their own beliefs, no problem.
RillyNiceGuy: No one cometh to Me except the Father draw them.To push it is wrong and pushes people away. When it is being talked I join in. I try to get them (already on the subject) to study more and get a Strong's. But knocking doors or pushing is a no no. To hand someone a track to invite them to hear is enough. The Father will lead those he wills.I am far from a good example of the faith. I am alone in all directions from fellowship. I have much to overcome that was done upon me before I get back that stolen from me by Christians.
But live the life and people do see it and do ask of you understanding and answers. Don't be sickening sweet type of person.....just normal under the word. People many many times asked if I was a preacher without ever using the buzz words to show I was of the faith. I was normal, but I was patient, kind, ...etc.
I think it is stupid to tell a story of killing a deer and follow it by.....example: and that deer fell dead right next to the truck...."Praise the Lord....Thank ya Jesus!!!!" Shame on those who do such.
I am ashamed that I am not as I was.....so please forgive me my faults! I have learn much in my troubles....I hope I will be a better person for it as I return to the faith.
I type too much! Alone and caring will do that to ya!
You sound like you're on your way back. Don't worry, He'll leave the light on for ya! Good luck.
WillHonorYou: Hi. I am a religious person and have been surprised when I hear people say that religious people are judgmental when I know CERTAINLY... WOULD NEVER expect someone to change because of me. I just give my opinions either to inspire others, or to attract what I see as the "good" guy or girl types (of course that is even precieved in many ways.)I never say..."If you don't do this or that you are in major trouble with God." I could ceratinly wonder about it.
Also..some people have prejudged me and thought I might not like alot of the things they do because I am a "straight-laced" and goody-goody type in ways. That's worse then judgmental anyway, which is JUST sharing an opinion, but not until you've heard the INDIVIDUAL say themselves what they ARE.
The ones that really bother me are the Jehovahs when they come knocking on my door when I'm trying to catch up on my sleep. I don't know if it's the fact they come invading my privacy or if it's because they try to push their beliefs down my throat and convert me that annoys me the most But, anyway they've probably been greeted by friendlier rabid rottweillers than by me
Oh yeah, and the others get up my nose too, the ones who can't string a sentence together either on here or in real life without mentioning god
Mind you, I have to admit I don't meet many godly people where I live except for when I nearly accidently run them over on my bike when they're leaving the church bizzarre and they are a bizzarre bunch as well, vicar included
Sep 26, 2009 6:03 PM CST Are you bothered by extra religious people?
MILO_00Katoomba, New South Wales Australia45 Posts
MILO_00Katoomba, New South Wales Australia45 posts
WillHonorYou: Hi. I am a religious person and have been surprised when I hear people say that religious people are judgmental when I know CERTAINLY... WOULD NEVER expect someone to change because of me. I just give my opinions either to inspire others, or to attract what I see as the "good" guy or girl types (of course that is even precieved in many ways.)I never say..."If you don't do this or that you are in major trouble with God." I could ceratinly wonder about it.
Also..some people have prejudged me and thought I might not like alot of the things they do because I am a "straight-laced" and goody-goody type in ways. That's worse then judgmental anyway, which is JUST sharing an opinion, but not until you've heard the INDIVIDUAL say themselves what they ARE.
OH SO TRUE!..l just had a 10 minute talk to a man who chatted on MSN.l wasnt expecting the subject to drop straight into religion but he brought it up. Not that it bothered me in any way!..l was up for an open discusion and without judgements. As soon as l mentioned a documentry l watched a short time ago about jesus having had a son...which was found in Jesus family tomb....he just flipped out!! Sheeeeee's...all of a sudden l was uninformed and gulible according to him? Accused of having a closed mind...l think l know who's mind was closed to anything that may just be true.
He promtly mouthed off how he was ceasing communication and wished to have no further communication.Plus other gabber. Not that l care!..l was just amazed at how he flipped out bigtime! What a sad man....you should never fight over religion,it should be open opinions of each who have walked their own journey to find out truth. lt doesnt matter what religion people are,theyve missed the point.You live IT....and never go into battle over nit picking whats what. But discusion is fine!!..just be at peace and stay cool,we dont have to know what the finner details are if its going to create a FUDE
Sep 26, 2009 6:14 PM CST Are you bothered by extra religious people?
MILO_00Katoomba, New South Wales Australia45 Posts
MILO_00Katoomba, New South Wales Australia45 posts
LovelySerene: I'm christian, but I don't put it the first thing in my life...I knew this ladie who would yell at me saying that if I didn't dedicate my whole life to god, then I was going to hell. I'm a very open minded person am respect everyones religion, but she was saying that even other religion (like buddist) are going to hell...and I think thats wrong.
Nobody can tell you its the fire for you lady!..lol because its your journey...and they may have to eat their words later in time if your life did shoot off into that direction. "Foot in mouth" for those who do that kind of summing people up in a very very short space of time. l dont even think like that..l dont walk around going "oh look at that person,or did you hear that..theyre going to hell" lts just crazy suicidal judgement that may just put the flames right under their own butts!
l absolutely love it when you meet really calm uninflated people who can have open conversations about it and not even feel they need to rearrange your head.:)
WillHonorYou: Hi. I am a religious person and have been surprised when I hear people say that religious people are judgmental when I know CERTAINLY... WOULD NEVER expect someone to change because of me. I just give my opinions either to inspire others, or to attract what I see as the "good" guy or girl types (of course that is even precieved in many ways.)I never say..."If you don't do this or that you are in major trouble with God." I could ceratinly wonder about it.
Also..some people have prejudged me and thought I might not like alot of the things they do because I am a "straight-laced" and goody-goody type in ways. That's worse then judgmental anyway, which is JUST sharing an opinion, but not until you've heard the INDIVIDUAL say themselves what they ARE.
No, not really, it's the hypocrites that annoy the hell out of me!!!
Oops...the comment above is for the first guy who posted. (screwed that up).
I wanted to add that I am religious but but I don't try to save people because God gave them a free will and I believe I may want some who are extremely different to be in hell...it's for a reason. WHy spend eternity with them to if they are the type to pester constantly and don't let an argument end, etc. etc. and Criminals who do the same stuff, etc.
petalbabeOgdensburg, New York, Cork Ireland3,101 posts
WillHonorYou: Hi. I am a religious person and have been surprised when I hear people say that religious people are judgmental when I know CERTAINLY... WOULD NEVER expect someone to change because of me. I just give my opinions either to inspire others, or to attract what I see as the "good" guy or girl types (of course that is even precieved in many ways.)I never say..."If you don't do this or that you are in major trouble with God." I could ceratinly wonder about it.
Also..some people have prejudged me and thought I might not like alot of the things they do because I am a "straight-laced" and goody-goody type in ways. That's worse then judgmental anyway, which is JUST sharing an opinion, but not until you've heard the INDIVIDUAL say themselves what they ARE.
My sister became a Born Again Christian a few years ago. She met her partner on a Christian Dating Site, and then married him a while ago.
She and I have never really been that close, but in recent years her religious beliefs, which are becoming increasingly blinkered and fanatical, have driven us apart.
I have attempted - several times - to tell her that I love her, and I totally respect her views, but that I will NEVER see religion the same way she does and I would love it if she would just accept me for MY beliefs too. That doesnt seem likely to happen.
It saddens me, because I just want my sister back and to have a "normal" sister to sister relationship with her, without it turning into a religious debate/argument.
petalbabe: My sister became a Born Again Christian a few years ago. She met her partner on a Christian Dating Site, and then married him a while ago.
She and I have never really been that close, but in recent years her religious beliefs, which are becoming increasingly blinkered and fanatical, have driven us apart.
I have attempted - several times - to tell her that I love her, and I totally respect her views, but that I will NEVER see religion the same way she does and I would love it if she would just accept me for MY beliefs too. That doesnt seem likely to happen.
It saddens me, because I just want my sister back and to have a "normal" sister to sister relationship with her, without it turning into a religious debate/argument.
That really sucks. My brothers and sisters are all over as far as religion goes, but we never discuss it. we just love each other as we are.
petalbabeOgdensburg, New York, Cork Ireland3,101 posts
USThumper: That really sucks. My brothers and sisters are all over as far as religion goes, but we never discuss it. we just love each other as we are.
Hi Thumps..
Yep, it does make me sad. It has made me angry in the past, because I truely believe she has been brainwashed, to be honest. She was always somewhat of a follower, and has gone through several different phases in her life already.
I know she truely does believe in her religious views, and I have always respected her for that. But she is my ONLY SIBLING, and I now feel that I have lost her.
Yep, it does make me sad. It has made me angry in the past, because I truely believe she has been brainwashed, to be honest. She was always somewhat of a follower, and has gone through several different phases in her life already.
I know she truely does believe in her religious views, and I have always respected her for that. But she is my ONLY SIBLING, and I now feel that I have lost her.
If thats the way she wants it, all you can do is be there if she comes out of it and sees you as a sister instead of a nonbeliever.
petalbabeOgdensburg, New York, Cork Ireland3,101 posts
USThumper: If thats the way she wants it, all you can do is be there if she comes out of it and sees you as a sister instead of a nonbeliever.
I agree, Thumps..thats all I can do..
I hope at some point we can come to some agreement, my sis and me, but at the moment it seems impossible. Which of course, is made even more sad by the fact that Im now in the same country as her..
I hope at some point we can come to some agreement, my sis and me, but at the moment it seems impossible. Which of course, is made even more sad by the fact that Im now in the same country as her..
Oh well..
Hope you are well, my friend..
Perhaps you should persuade her to live in Italy, here 70% no longer go to church, a sad indictment of how the people view the POPE
Or not so sad depending on your thinking
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Also..some people have prejudged me and thought I might not like alot of the things they do because I am a "straight-laced" and goody-goody type in ways. That's worse then judgmental anyway, which is JUST sharing an opinion, but not until you've heard the INDIVIDUAL say themselves what they ARE.