Antjo39: Occam´s razor? Another one that wants to start a discussion of the logics behind arguments? I will be happy you accept my invitation. WE will have our audience for sure. Come on bebe.
No, an argument about what facts, taken as a whole, constitute the TRUTH-something that many on the left can't seem to handle.
Antjo39: Why don´t you gather the good guys thinking like you and start shooting them all in their beds?? This is in order to delete any inside-job. Any Arabic face, any Muslim person, is suspicious, right? Democracy and free world will be thankful with the heros of a decadent time.
Lack of courage?
You said it, not me, but then lefty's are always projecting....
pastortim: For argument sake: The White House told the Air Force to stand down when the planes were headed for the twin towers and the Pentagon. Police and firemen heard and seen explosions going up the sides of the building, which were caught on video as well. Specialists have noted that such a building to fall from any impact would have fell in any direction, not straight down thus it was a demolition. Blair was contacted minutes before the attack and never warned anyone. The FBI was also told of the attack and did nothing. The Bank of America had 100 billion dollars stolen out it before the first plane rammed straight into the bank on that level of the twin towers. Buildings fell, evidence of the bank robbery was destroyed. The Twin towers had 200 million pounds of vermiculite which causes cancer and had to be torn down anyway, which would cost billions and thus blowing up the buildings solved the problem and the insurance was collected instead. The fires from the burning debris from the fallen towers burned for weeks, which by studies showed that a compound was found that is not found in building structures nor in planes, when it is put on steel it turns into molten steel and thus such evidence was also seen on video footage of the molten steel running out of the building before it fell. This had to be planted. Bush was notified the instant the event took place from the first plane hitting the towers and acted is nothing had happened as he was in a school at the time and didn't leave for some time after. The Patriot missile system on the nearby base which is part of the National Missile Defense System (3rd stage) was not manned or activated, even after the first plane hit and others were spotted on radar heading the same direction. They were also told to stand down. There is a ton more evidence that leads right back to the Government, but I think this should do it. Now, what part of this doesn't say "inside job"?
Did it ever occur to you that the extremists could have easily planted explosives inside the building several weeks or months in advance. These scumbags are well organized and because of our lackadaisicall approach towards security, it wouldn't be that difficult to accomplish. THERE !! Now i've given you "conspiracy jerks" a whole new paranoid theory to play with. Have Fun !!!
hankjr5362: Did it ever occur to you that the extremists could have easily planted explosives inside the building several weeks or months in advance. These scumbags are well organized and because of our lackadaisicall approach towards security, it wouldn't be that difficult to accomplish. THERE !! Now i've given you "conspiracy jerks" a whole new paranoid theory to play with. Have Fun !!!
Its a noisy dirty business to prepare a Building for Takedown with Explosives!
Conrad73: Here is the reason why he is not on the list for 9/11!Usama bin laden.jpg Usama Bin Laden June 7, 1999 #456 Usama Bin Laden is the leader of al-Qaeda and is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States embassies, Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. Bin Laden and al-Qaeda are responsible for the October 12, 2000, attack on the USS Cole off the coast of Yemen, which killed 17. Although bin Laden later appeared on the first publicly released FBI Most Wanted Terrorists list on October 10, 2001, he was listed there for the 1998 embassy attack, and not for his alleged role in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people, because the most wanted lists name fugitives charged with a crime by a prosecutor or under indictment by a grand jury. Bin Laden was named as an "unindicted co-conspirator" in, for instance, the federal indictment against convicted terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui, but has not been formally indicted for his role in the September 11, 2001, attacks.
Osama bin Laden is the subject of a $50 million reward through the State Department's Rewards for Justice program targeting international fugitives, especially terrorists, plus $2 million through a program developed and funded by the Air Line Pilots Association and the Air Transport Association.WIKI
The jist of that seems to be that Bin Laden isn't wanted for the crimes committed on 9/11, Conrad. I'm not sure what you think refutes that in the above... I know he's wanted for other crimes.
Ambrose2007: The jistgist of that seems to be that Bin Laden isn't wanted for the crimes committed on 9/11, Conrad. I'm not sure what you think refutes that in the above... I know he's wanted for other crimes.
Has ANYONE actually seen a set demolition???? Does anyone know it is done? If you do, you would see how it would be impossible for anyone to have set demolition in the twin towers without ever being noticed. People who do set demolitions have even explained how it would be impossible, because for buildings that big, with that many pillars you would need a lot of time, and also about 100 men for the job (to get it done in a short time frame). So, it would be impossible to get all of these works secretly into the building, and begin cut away at the pillars and then setting demo charges, without anyone noticing.
bodleingGreater Manchester, England UK13,810 posts
Very little has been made of the fact that two floors high up in at least on of the towers were shut down the weekend before 9/11. Companies on those floors had to shut down all their computer systems and re-start them the following Monday. No mention of it at all in any report, not only that, but when questioned, the Port Authority denied it. Why would they do that?
But I do wonder, would not the towers being hit by two aircraft be seen as a great success for any terrorist organisation. Why would any government take the considerable risk of planting explosives just to ensure the buildings came down?
alexey8: Has ANYONE actually seen a set demolition???? Does anyone know it is done? If you do, you would see how it would be impossible for anyone to have set demolition in the twin towers without ever being noticed. People who do set demolitions have even explained how it would be impossible, because for buildings that big, with that many pillars you would need a lot of time, and also about 100 men for the job (to get it done in a short time frame). So, it would be impossible to get all of these works secretly into the building, and begin cut away at the pillars and then setting demo charges, without anyone noticing.
Been trying to tell that to sundry People over and over! The Building needs to be weakened,regardless of what kind of Explosive,or Pyrotechnics(Thermite) you use.
bodleing: Very little has been made of the fact that two floors high up in at least on of the towers were shut down the weekend before 9/11. Companies on those floors had to shut down all their computer systems and re-start them the following Monday. No mention of it at all in any report, not only that, but when questioned, the Port Authority denied it. Why would they do that?
But I do wonder, would not the towers being hit by two aircraft be seen as a great success for any terrorist organisation. Why would any government take the considerable risk of planting explosives just to ensure the buildings came down?
Just using a bit of logic...thats all.
Unless you do considerable preparation on the Girders and Concrete-Columns of the Building,you'd need an ungodly amount of Explosives to bring it down,and even then you might be unsuccessful. One weekend would be way too short for that kind of work to be carried out!
Ambrose2007: The jist of that seems to be that Bin Laden isn't wanted for the crimes committed on 9/11, Conrad. I'm not sure what you think refutes that in the above... I know he's wanted for other crimes.
bodleingGreater Manchester, England UK13,810 posts
Conrad73: Unless you do considerable preparation on the Girders and Concrete-Columns of the Building,you'd need an ungodly amount of Explosives to bring it down,and even then you might be unsuccessful. One weekend would be way too short for that kind of work to be carried out!
I know Conrad, it just seems strange that the Port Authority denied this had happened.
But like I said...why bother to carry out such a risky exercise anyway. Surely just hiting the towers would be enough.
bodleing: I know Conrad, it just seems strange that the Port Authority denied this had happened.
But like I said...why bother to carry out such a risky exercise anyway. Surely just hiting the towers would be enough.
Depends what you're trying to accomplish, G. If I were wanting a powerful rationale for invading other countries, for in effect declaring war - not to mention scraping the US Constitution - then I'd be wondering if a couple of plane crashes into buildings and a relatively small number of casualties would be "enough."
bodleingGreater Manchester, England UK13,810 posts
Ambrose2007: Depends what you're trying to accomplish, G. If I were wanting a powerful rationale for invading other countries, for in effect declaring war - not to mention scraping the US Constitution - then I'd be wondering if a couple of plane crashes into buildings and a relatively small number of casualties would be "enough."
Its a sickening thought J, but let me get this straight. Are you saying that 'the powers that be' organised the hijacking of the planes, planted explosives in the twin towers in order to justify invading Iraq and subsequently bring in draconian powers?
It would make a good novel... but would it be filed under fiction?
to anyone that thinks the government was behind 9/11. you are nuts. and i don't like the USA government at all. i say to you. put down the bong. go outside smell some fresh air.
bodleingGreater Manchester, England UK13,810 posts
ukrainegary48: to anyone that thinks the government was behind 9/11. you are nuts. and i don't like the USA government at all. i say to you. put down the bong. go outside smell some fresh air.
There are a few discrepancies in the official line that need explaining though.
bodleing: There are a few discrepancies in the official line that need explaining though.
Dont you think?
know i dont think so. i,m not looking to come up with excuses with the twin towers did not fall a certain way. they fell. how do you people come up with these crazy ideas.
bodleingGreater Manchester, England UK13,810 posts
ukrainegary48: know i dont think so. i,m not looking to come up with excuses with the twin towers did not fall a certain way. they fell. how do you people come up with these crazy ideas.
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I will be happy you accept my invitation. WE will have our audience for sure. Come on bebe.