The Death Penalty (237)

Dec 8, 2010 8:11 AM CST The Death Penalty
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
johnaustin123: This is a very good and wise post leigh2154

You are correct. Most people that commit Capital crimes are in their 20’s and 30’s. They have not grown up yet. There are many instances though where the older and retired go bonkers.

Near where I live in Ohio, an aged man could not keep his temper. He was articulate about his lawn. When school children walked home, they would walk across his lawn for a shortcut. He decided one day to shoot and kill one of them.

Because of his age, he is just in Prison. This was decided by a Judge, no death penalty.


Alzheimers and dementia a different animal........where was his family?????confused
Dec 8, 2010 8:35 AM CST The Death Penalty
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
His only family was his wife leigh2154

Yes! Brain disease is a major factor among the elderly.

This was another case in Northeast, Ohio.

The wife of an elderly man was terminally ill. She had to go into the Hospital for her final days. Her Husband went berserk.

This was at Hillcrest Hospital.

On a visit, he had a gun. (How he was able to get a gun into a Hospital is speculation)

He shot and killed (2) Nurses on the way. When he got to his wife's room, he shot and killed her first, and then killed himself.
Dec 8, 2010 8:47 AM CST The Death Penalty
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
johnaustin123: His only family was his wife leigh2154

Yes! Brain disease is a major factor among the elderly.

This was another case in Northeast, Ohio.

The wife of an elderly man was terminally ill. She had to go into the Hospital for her final days. Her Husband went berserk.

This was at Hillcrest Hospital.

On a visit, he had a gun. (How he was able to get a gun into a Hospital is speculation)

He shot and killed (2) Nurses on the way. When he got to his wife's room, he shot and killed her first, and then killed himself.


Yes, I know that case..........................and I was working in a nursing home here in Tennessee at the time. It was terrible. A friend of mine had just transferred there and was on duty when the shootings happened. She came to visit us the next day and was still shaking. Maybe we are not talking about the same case, this one happened in Knoxville????? Wonder.............. does the act of murder breed thought of doing murder in others?
Dec 8, 2010 1:22 PM CST The Death Penalty
odessa49
odessa49odessa49anderson, South Carolina USA9 Posts
i have to say i support the death penalty. even through dont think it stops anyone from killing someone. there has to be a price you pay for taking someones life.
Dec 8, 2010 1:29 PM CST The Death Penalty
johnaustin123: I was jailed for (3) days once in 1994 because I had (4) beers at a Tavern. I wasn't even driving, I was walking.

Imagine what the innocent go through when incarcerated for years?

I felt this way for (3) days.

This song played over and over in my mind. There was nothing else to do.

Simon and Garfunkel

the sound of silence lyrics

I see you are in Ohio. Were you able to get that wiped off your record? Here, in some West coast states, you can have those kinds of citations removed after a certain time. (Otherwise you cannot apply for any civil service jobs with city, county or state, and that was deemed unconstitutional by law, so they amended it by allowing for the record "removal". There's a catch, if you do it again in a particular time frame, the original charge re-sticks, and it is then permanent.
Dec 8, 2010 1:48 PM CST The Death Penalty
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
Greets rohaan

It was only a misdemeanor on my jail time. I did not deserve that violation.

They gave me (3) choices:

1) Pay the bail.
2) Fight it in court.
3) Serve the jail time.

The Police officer that did this to me was eventually fired for other violations.

That was (16) years ago...no longer on record.
Dec 8, 2010 1:51 PM CST The Death Penalty
odessa49
odessa49odessa49anderson, South Carolina USA9 Posts
longest i every was in jail. was for contempt of court during a divorce hearing. at the time pissed me off. but now 23 years later i done me good. i spent about 12 months in the country jail. all i would have had to do was apologize to cuss for cussing them out. and resisting arrest. would have let me out.
Dec 8, 2010 2:13 PM CST The Death Penalty
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
Greets odessa49

I had (1) other incident of a (1) day jail time in 1999.

My ex-wife and I were not getting along. We had an argument.

I went to bed to sleep it off. In the meantime, she called the Police and said that I hit her, which didn't happen. I was arrested for this false report of Domestic Violence.

In Ohio, once you are arrested for Domestic Violence, even the accuser cannot drop the case.

After paying my Attorney $5000, and many hours in anger management, a few months later I was found totally innocent by a Judge and he wiped it off of my record.

This is money and time that I will never get back.
Dec 8, 2010 3:28 PM CST The Death Penalty
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
Cleveland, Ohio Serial Killer Anthony Sowell - 10 Bodies Found ...

Dec 8, 2010 4:13 PM CST The Death Penalty
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
Hi Johnwave wave

Leigh
Dec 8, 2010 4:31 PM CST The Death Penalty
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
Hi leigh2154

banana

Ted Bundy was executed.

Serial Killer Ted Bundy's Last Interview - 1 of 3

Dec 8, 2010 4:44 PM CST The Death Penalty
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
johnaustin123: Hi leigh2154
Ted Bundy was executed.

Serial Killer Ted Bundy's Last Interview - 1 of 3



Hey, you never answered me. That hospital shooting, was it in Knoxville? Cause if it wasn't, it's kinda creepy that it happened here too.help ...Leigh
Dec 8, 2010 5:38 PM CST The Death Penalty
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
leigh, the shooting was in Highland Heights, Ohio.

There are many suicide murders here.

This is a gross one;

A man shot his wife to death in Mayfield. (He was in his 30's)

She was able to get off a 911 call before she died. The Police responded.

The man held them off with a chain saw. When he realized that he was caught, he cut his own head off with the chain saw.

The Police that witnessed this are still in Therapy.
Dec 8, 2010 5:43 PM CST The Death Penalty
odessa49
odessa49odessa49anderson, South Carolina USA9 Posts
i use to be against death penalty. but when timothy McVeigh blow up building in Oklahoma. way i see it. you got a problem with the government . dont take it out innocent children.
Dec 8, 2010 6:44 PM CST The Death Penalty
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
Timothy McVeigh Tapes: MSNBC Documentary ...

Dec 8, 2010 6:50 PM CST The Death Penalty
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
johnaustin123: Timothy McVeigh Tapes: MSNBC Documentary ...



John, can I ask you a question or two? How long have you been on this site? Are you on here for forums only? Just curious................................Leigh
Dec 8, 2010 6:53 PM CST The Death Penalty
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
odessa49: i use to be against death penalty. but when timothy McVeigh blow up building in Oklahoma. way i see it. you got a problem with the government . dont take it out innocent children.


Hi Odessa, I'm for the death penalty 100%. cheering

Leigh
Dec 8, 2010 7:10 PM CST The Death Penalty
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
leigh:

I am on many International websites.

CS is my favorite, because the people here are smarter.

I have been on CS for a couple of months.

Other International websites include 3rd world nations. That is a problem. All of them scam for money. It is rather funny because they all somehow (Given by their Government) are able to have high speed internet and cell or mobile phones.

Go figure; they want money to pay their electric and water bills but will not give up their internet.

That is why I like CS. They keep the scammers out.
Dec 8, 2010 7:37 PM CST The Death Penalty
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
johnaustin123: leigh:

I am on many International websites.

CS is my favorite, because the people here are smarter.

I have been on CS for a couple of months.

Other International websites include 3rd world nations. That is a problem. All of them scam for money. It is rather funny because they all somehow (Given by their Government) are able to have high speed internet and cell or mobile phones.

Go figure; they want money to pay their electric and water bills but will not give up their internet.

That is why I like CS. They keep the scammers out.


I am new, 1 wk. Joined this and one other the same day. I keep coming back to this one because it is more interesting. Moved from Columbus Ohio to TN 7 years ago. Very different social venue here. First year was hard, I missed my buddies, my hangs, my stuff.
Scammers abound here too, but very easy to recognize. You knowdoh doh doh doh doh doh
Dec 9, 2010 3:50 PM CST The Death Penalty
bollywood
bollywoodbollywoodTRIVANDRUM, Kerala India53 Threads 2 Polls 973 Posts
johnaustin123: Are you in favor or disfavor of the Death Penalty, or are you in between? In the USA, it varies from State to State with Texas, Ohio and Florida being the strongest to support the Death Penalty.

What do you believe? Some people say that it is a much more punishment to leave the Criminal in prison for life. The families of the victims think otherwise.

It takes many years and many appeals to finally put the convicted to death. This is a very heavy load on the tax payer.

Some people (including the Police) believe that the person should be shot to death on site. That is not a fair way to go about it either. They may be innocent and deserve a fair trial.

I voted in certain circumstances.


Death Penalty by Iran is "barbaric, regressive and should be protested" .But death penalty by the US is okay .
Dec 9, 2010 5:36 PM CST The Death Penalty
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
Fighting against the death penalty in Iran: Mohammed ...

Dec 9, 2010 5:39 PM CST The Death Penalty
bollywood
bollywoodbollywoodTRIVANDRUM, Kerala India53 Threads 2 Polls 973 Posts
johnaustin123: Fighting against the death penalty in Iran: Mohammed ...



On CIA's pay roll ? rolling on the floor laughing
Dec 9, 2010 6:14 PM CST The Death Penalty
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
Should Osama Bin Laden Get the Death Penalty?

Dec 13, 2010 5:57 PM CST The Death Penalty
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
You have a good opinion annie_nsw

I voted under certain circustances or I might have voted leave it up to God.

What do we do with these homeless and untended people though?


Escape from New York trailer (dir: John Carpent...

Dec 13, 2010 6:49 PM CST The Death Penalty
annie_nsw
annie_nswannie_nswCoffs Harbour, New South Wales Australia9 Threads 1 Polls 528 Posts
johnaustin123: You have a good opinion annie_nsw

I voted under certain circustances or I might have voted leave it up to God.

What do we do with these homeless and untended people though?

Escape from New York trailer (dir: John Carpent...



Hi Jon and thank you,
That is a very good question and one I have pondered over over the years.
Homeless people can always be housed and the untended can always be tended to.
Some are not always fortunate to have the stable upbringing many take for granted.

Rehabilitate those that can be and want to be for starters rather than just locking them up.
Governments and other agencies spend thousands rehabilitating wildlife etc yet human rehabilitation and mental health never gets that kind of funding.
As for the criminally insane that can not be helped, apart from praying for them I am yet to find an acceptable solution.

I haven't seen John Carpenters movie Escape from New York though dare say it is an extreme view of the topic otherwise you would not have posted it ..

Would be interested to hear your opinions on the subject..
Dec 13, 2010 6:57 PM CST The Death Penalty
annie_nsw
annie_nswannie_nswCoffs Harbour, New South Wales Australia9 Threads 1 Polls 528 Posts
cherryrae: great post, and i wholeheartedly agree


Hi cherryrae, Thank you .. As a conscience woman very much with a conscious I personally don't know how some people sleep at night..
Dec 13, 2010 7:36 PM CST The Death Penalty
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
My opinion is that the mentally ill should be taken off of the streets by the wealthy that does contribute to this cause because of tax purposes for Charity.

We have very many homeless shelters in the USA that provide food and shelter, much provided by US Government support.

What the USA Government does is try to educate them to find a job.


Mental Health and the Prison System

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