The Death Penalty (237)
Medsummer: sometimes, considering the alternatives...death is not a penalty.
Exactly!!!
From what I have read on this, the costs of the death penaly far out weigh full life term in prison due to the appeals process.
Some interesting reading
An excerpt
•A 2003 legislative audit in Kansas found that the estimated cost of a death penalty case was 70% more than the cost of a comparable non-death penalty case. Death penalty case costs were counted through to execution (median cost $1.26 million). Non-death penalty case costs were counted through to the end of incarceration (median cost $740,000).
(December 2003 Survey by the Kansas Legislative Post Audit)
•In Tennessee, death penalty trials cost an average of 48% more than the average cost of trials in which prosecutors seek life imprisonment.
(2004 Report from Tennessee Comptroller of the Treasury Office of Research)
•In Maryland death penalty cases cost 3 times more than non-death penalty cases, or $3 million for a single case.
Some interesting reading
An excerpt
•A 2003 legislative audit in Kansas found that the estimated cost of a death penalty case was 70% more than the cost of a comparable non-death penalty case. Death penalty case costs were counted through to execution (median cost $1.26 million). Non-death penalty case costs were counted through to the end of incarceration (median cost $740,000).
(December 2003 Survey by the Kansas Legislative Post Audit)
•In Tennessee, death penalty trials cost an average of 48% more than the average cost of trials in which prosecutors seek life imprisonment.
(2004 Report from Tennessee Comptroller of the Treasury Office of Research)
•In Maryland death penalty cases cost 3 times more than non-death penalty cases, or $3 million for a single case.
vinny1967: From what I have read on this, the costs of the death penaly far out weigh full life term in prison due to the appeals process.
Some interesting reading
An excerpt
•A 2003 legislative audit in Kansas found that the estimated cost of a death penalty case was 70% more than the cost of a comparable non-death penalty case. Death penalty case costs were counted through to execution (median cost $1.26 million). Non-death penalty case costs were counted through to the end of incarceration (median cost $740,000).
(December 2003 Survey by the Kansas Legislative Post Audit)
•In Tennessee, death penalty trials cost an average of 48% more than the average cost of trials in which prosecutors seek life imprisonment.
(2004 Report from Tennessee Comptroller of the Treasury Office of Research)
•In Maryland death penalty cases cost 3 times more than non-death penalty cases, or $3 million for a single case.
Some interesting reading
An excerpt
•A 2003 legislative audit in Kansas found that the estimated cost of a death penalty case was 70% more than the cost of a comparable non-death penalty case. Death penalty case costs were counted through to execution (median cost $1.26 million). Non-death penalty case costs were counted through to the end of incarceration (median cost $740,000).
(December 2003 Survey by the Kansas Legislative Post Audit)
•In Tennessee, death penalty trials cost an average of 48% more than the average cost of trials in which prosecutors seek life imprisonment.
(2004 Report from Tennessee Comptroller of the Treasury Office of Research)
•In Maryland death penalty cases cost 3 times more than non-death penalty cases, or $3 million for a single case.
yes all trials cost money but how much does it cost to put one bullet between the eyes to keeping them in prison and feed and cloth them.
time to get some sleep know my friends so have a great evening and catch up with you all tomorrow
craig63: yes all trials cost money but how much does it cost to put one bullet between the eyes to keeping them in prison and feed and cloth them.
Maybe a concsience
Yeah lets not even bother with a trial
we've got three pages of responses here and honestly this debate could go on forever with the same/similar answers in every other post.
Somebody give me an alternative to the death penalty that actually works instead of the usual prison for life sentences where the proven guilty, condemned criminal is a burden on society where every time somebody pays their taxes they do not get to feel their money is going to give the person who murdered their loved one another meal.
Somebody give me an alternative to the death penalty that actually works instead of the usual prison for life sentences where the proven guilty, condemned criminal is a burden on society where every time somebody pays their taxes they do not get to feel their money is going to give the person who murdered their loved one another meal.
I had never seen this video until I posted this thread.
President Obama votes In Certain Circumstances.
Alan Keyes v. Barack Obama debate on Death Penalty
President Obama votes In Certain Circumstances.
Alan Keyes v. Barack Obama debate on Death Penalty
Medsummer: sometimes, considering the alternatives...death is not a penalty.
Exactly!!!! Let's call Martha Stewart and ask just how much money she made after doing time in a chushy joint.............................and, if I'm not mistaken, I think some of my HARD EARNED dollars helped pay for all those aminities
johnaustin123: Are you in favor or disfavor of the Death Penalty, or are you in between? In the USA, it varies from State to State with Texas, Ohio and Florida being the strongest to support the Death Penalty.
What do you believe? Some people say that it is a much more punishment to leave the Criminal in prison for life. The families of the victims think otherwise.
It takes many years and many appeals to finally put the convicted to death. This is a very heavy load on the tax payer.
Some people (including the Police) believe that the person should be shot to death on site. That is not a fair way to go about it either. They may be innocent and deserve a fair trial.
I voted in certain circumstances.
What do you believe? Some people say that it is a much more punishment to leave the Criminal in prison for life. The families of the victims think otherwise.
It takes many years and many appeals to finally put the convicted to death. This is a very heavy load on the tax payer.
Some people (including the Police) believe that the person should be shot to death on site. That is not a fair way to go about it either. They may be innocent and deserve a fair trial.
I voted in certain circumstances.
There would be more justice in serious criminals rotting in a cell for the remainder of their lives, for them to be reminded and treated on a daily basis as scum instead of the use of the death penalty.
On the other hand, I'd much rather my taxes were going towards helping the aged, equipping the troops and teaching the young as opposed to locking criminals up indefinitely. So on the grounds that the innocent majority's needs outweigh the guilty minority's rights, I tentatively support the death penalty despite finding it unpleasant, and aswell regarding a portion of the penaltys' supporters as twisted and unhinged human beings.
Medsummer: we've got three pages of responses here and honestly this debate could go on forever with the same/similar answers in every other post.
Somebody give me an alternative to the death penalty that actually works instead of the usual prison for life sentences where the proven guilty, condemned criminal is a burden on society where every time somebody pays their taxes they do not get to feel their money is going to give the person who murdered their loved one another meal.
Somebody give me an alternative to the death penalty that actually works instead of the usual prison for life sentences where the proven guilty, condemned criminal is a burden on society where every time somebody pays their taxes they do not get to feel their money is going to give the person who murdered their loved one another meal.
Your right Med.........This thread will go on & on & on
From my reading on this and I wil post some statistics for you when I have more time, but what I believe is
1. The Death Penalty is not a deterrent
2. The cost of the appeal process in Western countries that use the death penalty, far outweighs full life term in prison.
leigh2154: Exactly!!!! Let's call Martha Stewart and ask just how much money she made after doing time in a chushy joint.............................and, if I'm not mistaken, I think some of my HARD EARNED dollars helped pay for all those aminities
I know this is a step off the path here, but I have an opinion about Martha Stewart. She really didn't do anything that thousands of people do--and consider this: A few years ago a chain (I won't say which) opened it's stock two days ahead of time for " select clientele", giving people "in-the-know" an unquestionable advantage to hoard, ahead of the general public, trendy healthy shares. How is that different, at least morally, than other types of insider trading? (Insider trading goes on ALL the time. Suppose I own a house, and get an offer on it that is really inflated. (I know for a fact that the house isn't worth as much as the buyer THINKS it is). I don't have to tell him, and I can take all the money he offers me. Martha made the wrong person mad, they happened to be in a position to pay back, and did. If what she did were warranting of the fines, jail time, then this country would be chocked full of people in jail because this sort of thing happens all the time.You are absolutely right John and I am the one who got off the path....Nothing against Martha, capitalism keeps the wheels greased. My point is I am sick and tired of force paying for things I don't believe in. If we are going to have prisons which are supported by tax paying, law abiding, employed citizens, then make them prisons, not luxury resorts. Anyone caught and convicted for not matter what should be locked up in a 6 x8 cell with no frills included. And one last thing, they made an example of Martha, your right she pissed of the wrong person...................or maybe Bernie was just trying to keep the focus off his dirty dealings. Justice is a tough arena. I used to trust it, I don't any more. My biggest problem is having a soft heart for the victim. If I sit on a jury and watch a mother cry for 10 weeks because the a**hole on trial stole her little girl, rapped her, murdered her, then tossed her body in a ravine for the buzzards to pick at, I'm voting death!!!
rohaan: I know this is a step off the path here, but I have an opinion about Martha Stewart. She really didn't do anything that thousands of people do--and consider this: A few years ago a chain (I won't say which) opened it's stock two days ahead of time for " select clientele", giving people "in-the-know" an unquestionable advantage to hoard, ahead of the general public, trendy healthy shares. How is that different, at least morally, than other types of insider trading? (Insider trading goes on ALL the time. Suppose I own a house, and get an offer on it that is really inflated. (I know for a fact that the house isn't worth as much as the buyer THINKS it is). I don't have to tell him, and I can take all the money he offers me. Martha made the wrong person mad, they happened to be in a position to pay back, and did. If what she did were warranting of the fines, jail time, then this country would be chocked full of people in jail because this sort of thing happens all the time.
vinny1967: Your right Med.........This thread will go on & on & on
From my reading on this and I wil post some statistics for you when I have more time, but what I believe is
1. The Death Penalty is not a deterrent
2. The cost of the appeal process in Western countries that use the death penalty, far outweighs full life term in prison.
From my reading on this and I wil post some statistics for you when I have more time, but what I believe is
1. The Death Penalty is not a deterrent
2. The cost of the appeal process in Western countries that use the death penalty, far outweighs full life term in prison.
A few hours back, someone mentioned an eye for an eye. Bureaucracy is just another way to fatten up the coffers. I believe in justice, just not the over complicated mess it has become. Anyone want to comment on the O.J. Simpson trial. During that trial I was working, the day the verdict came in my boss closed and took us to our favorite watering hole to wait for the announcement. The place was packed, and when the verdict came in, several people actually cheered. It was awful for me, I can only imagine how the families of the victims felt.
leigh2154: A few hours back, someone mentioned an eye for an eye. Bureaucracy is just another way to fatten up the coffers. I believe in justice, just not the over complicated mess it has become. Anyone want to comment on the O.J. Simpson trial. During that trial I was working, the day the verdict came in my boss closed and took us to our favorite watering hole to wait for the announcement. The place was packed, and when the verdict came in, several people actually cheered. It was awful for me, I can only imagine how the families of the victims felt.
I think if O.J.Simpson wouldn't anyone else but a famous football palyer he probably would've been convicted.That trial was such a joke.
Ccincy: I think if O.J.Simpson would've been anyone else but a famous football player he probably would've been convicted.That trial was such a joke.
fixed
vinny1967: Your right Med.........This thread will go on & on & on
From my reading on this and I wil post some statistics for you when I have more time, but what I believe is
1. The Death Penalty is not a deterrent
2. The cost of the appeal process in Western countries that use the death penalty, far outweighs full life term in prison.
From my reading on this and I wil post some statistics for you when I have more time, but what I believe is
1. The Death Penalty is not a deterrent
2. The cost of the appeal process in Western countries that use the death penalty, far outweighs full life term in prison.
Except in texas...they use the express lane.
Ccincy: fixed
You're right on both counts....He had enough money to fix it
The only reason I'd be against it is that with all the red tape in our politics, it wouldn't be practical. The bad guys would succeed in getting to put it off indefinitely (and waste money as you pointed out), and the good guys might get killed, because our laws aren't perfect in that they don't always convict the offender.
So practically/realistically, I'm against the US adopting a generic law on the topic. I'd have to see what crimes they'd be reserving it for before I threw my support behind it.
Ideally, I'm all for it. Again, that's assuming we could actually determine with 100% accuracy someone's guilt. See paragraph above. :)
So practically/realistically, I'm against the US adopting a generic law on the topic. I'd have to see what crimes they'd be reserving it for before I threw my support behind it.
Ideally, I'm all for it. Again, that's assuming we could actually determine with 100% accuracy someone's guilt. See paragraph above. :)
Indigo_Flow: Ill never understand when giving the lethal injection they decide bother to sterilize the needles first.....
Who cares!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Last I heard Virginia has the death Penalty also, as does California.
Well, I'm 2 glasses (wine) in, time for beddy-bye. But before I go...................Ccincy, I love your style, we should talk. I moved from Ohio (Columbus) to Tennessee 7 years ago. And Johnaustin, what a great forum, best yet! You are soooooooooooocute and so very clever. I'm checking back in tomorrow, the possibilities for this forum are endless!!!!!!
Medsummer: we've got three pages of responses here and honestly this debate could go on forever with the same/similar answers in every other post.
Somebody give me an alternative to the death penalty that actually works instead of the usual prison for life sentences where the proven guilty, condemned criminal is a burden on society where every time somebody pays their taxes they do not get to feel their money is going to give the person who murdered their loved one another meal.
Somebody give me an alternative to the death penalty that actually works instead of the usual prison for life sentences where the proven guilty, condemned criminal is a burden on society where every time somebody pays their taxes they do not get to feel their money is going to give the person who murdered their loved one another meal.
Read my earlier post about life-long labor and graduated punishments.
The trend today is rehabilitation of the accused. It does work in most cases because the convicted turn to God and live a spiritual life. Sometimes it doesn’t work and they return to the same criminal activities.
In certain circumstances: A person that refuses to learn from rehabilitation (IE serial killers and violent crimes) are a debt to Society. This is for a Judge and Jury to decide on the Death Penalty,
In the American old west, they used to “Hang em high”. The Public would come out to watch.
In the French Revolution, they would chop their heads off with a guillotine.
This man got away with the most heinous crimes and received life in prison. California, USA Law does not support Capital Punishment.
Charles Manson interview in San Quentin Prison
In certain circumstances: A person that refuses to learn from rehabilitation (IE serial killers and violent crimes) are a debt to Society. This is for a Judge and Jury to decide on the Death Penalty,
In the American old west, they used to “Hang em high”. The Public would come out to watch.
In the French Revolution, they would chop their heads off with a guillotine.
This man got away with the most heinous crimes and received life in prison. California, USA Law does not support Capital Punishment.
Charles Manson interview in San Quentin Prison
johnaustin123: Are you in favor or disfavor of the Death Penalty, or are you in between? In the USA, it varies from State to State with Texas, Ohio and Florida being the strongest to support the Death Penalty.
What do you believe? Some people say that it is a much more punishment to leave the Criminal in prison for life. The families of the victims think otherwise.
It takes many years and many appeals to finally put the convicted to death. This is a very heavy load on the tax payer.
Some people (including the Police) believe that the person should be shot to death on site. That is not a fair way to go about it either. They may be innocent and deserve a fair trial.
I voted in certain circumstances.
Eye for an Eye.You take someones life,then your life should be taken!What do you believe? Some people say that it is a much more punishment to leave the Criminal in prison for life. The families of the victims think otherwise.
It takes many years and many appeals to finally put the convicted to death. This is a very heavy load on the tax payer.
Some people (including the Police) believe that the person should be shot to death on site. That is not a fair way to go about it either. They may be innocent and deserve a fair trial.
I voted in certain circumstances.
People who kill,ok well they dont care about your family they killed so why letting them get free meals and tax payers money..Um no Idc my opinion they should just die.No need in them just sitting there wasting tax payers money..Meaning us.I dont have mercy for killers sorry,and i think Charles Mansion should be killed look how long he has sat there in prision and still laughs ..You think that man has remore..? Ummmm no he doesnt.
MetalgirlPlush: People who kill,ok well they dont care about your family they killed so why letting them get free meals and tax payers money..Um no Idc my opinion they should just die.No need in them just sitting there wasting tax payers money..Meaning us.I dont have mercy for killers sorry,and i think Charles Mansion should be killed look how long he has sat there in prision and still laughs ..You think that man has remore..? Ummmm no he doesnt.
Remorse...oops sorry. No Charles manson has no remorse.I dont even care if ppl are drunk high and say oh i made a mistake.You dont go and kill people. Sorry and goodbye is my view.Have fun in a life of darkness,i say. Just my opinion!Indigo_Flow: Ill never understand when giving the lethal injection they decide bother to sterilize the needles first.....
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we are more worried about the criminals rights than the victims rights. the victim has lost their life so why should the criminal keep theirs. i wonder how people would feel if some-one planted a bomb and a family memeber lost his or her life i bet they would want the death penalty then and thats still murder.
i totally begrudge paying my taxes to keep some-one in prison feed them, cloth them etc when they have taken a life. Come on people criminals are criminals lets stop worrying about their rights ( criminals should have NO rights ) and start worrying about the VICTIMS rights.
to Ohio and Florida.