Obama is going ot win the presidency in 2012! (770)
AGreatGuy2: Sooooo........ once again Conrad, you had nothing worthwhile to add to the discussion. Just a bunch of dribble..... what a waste of time.
actually just proved to you how far off Beam you are about your Hate-Statement!
AGreatGuy2: It didn't 'get to me' at all..... I was disappointed that I wasted my time scrolling thru it.
That is your problem,NOT mine!jvaski: MoonBeam is our new Hero !
Frying Pan into the Fire?
Conrad73: That is your problem,NOT mine!
It is your problem that you are apparently not capable of engaging in a intelligent discussion.
AGreatGuy2: It is your problem that you are apparently not capable of engaging in a intelligent discussion.
Can't accept that your Guy is somewhat to the Left of Lenin?Conrad73: Can't accept that your Guy is somewhat to the Left of Lenin?
No I don't accept it. The rational you use is like saying I'm a conservative because I drink beer w/ republicans.
AGreatGuy2: It is your problem that you are apparently not capable of engaging in a intelligent discussion.
keep up the ad Hominem!
AGreatGuy2: No I don't accept it. The rational you use is like saying I'm a conservative because I drink beer w/ republicans.
Pretty sure he's had a little more with then than a Beer and a Cigarette!Conrad73: Pretty sure he's had a little more with then than a Beer and a Cigarette!
Still waiting for some intelligent comment instead of a personal attack from you Conrad..
Tractor guy was capable of discussing this....... aren't you?? --Conrad
AGreatGuy2: Still waiting for some intelligent comment instead of a personal attack from you Conrad..
What personal Attack?The only Attack came from you,since you got peeved when ! showed up your Guy!
Besides,I am up on the Game you're wanting to play,so just use your little Jabs!
It's OK!
Conrad73: create the "STATE SCIENCE INSTITUTE" of Atlas Shrugged?
I didn't sa a start to what just a start.
Actractorguy: I didn't sa a start to what just a start.
An Institute like that would cure all the "Evils" of Private Enterprise!Conrad73: An Institute like that would cure all the "Evils" of Private Enterprise!
Yes just like the individual mandate can start the slope to removal of all semblance of individualism. One I don't want to see us go down. Another erase the bad parts of history so we can relive it at a later time and watch it fail over and over like a bad science experiment.
Actractorguy: Yes just like the individual mandate can start the slope to removal of all semblance of individualism. One I don't want to see us go down. Another erase the bad parts of history so we can relive it at a later time and watch it fail over and over like a bad science experiment.
There are probably a lot more Traps in that Piece of Legislation than people are dreaming about!
Conrad73: There are probably a lot more Traps in that Piece of Legislation than people are dreaming about!
PROBABLY???????
You know damn well there are. Wonder if all the people for it have read it or if there just going by what they have been told from their political side.
Health Care bill good.
People who don't want health care bill bad.
Actractorguy: PROBABLY???????
You know damn well there are. Wonder if all the people for it have read it or if there just going by what they have been told from their political side. Health Care bill good.
People who don't want health care bill bad.
You know damn well there are. Wonder if all the people for it have read it or if there just going by what they have been told from their political side. Health Care bill good.
People who don't want health care bill bad.
I wonder if the ppl that are against it have read it??? Or they just against all gov't.
AGreatGuy2: I wonder if the ppl that are against it have read it??? Or they just against all gov't.
Well if the Democrats were to lazy to read it before they passed it, why would anyone else read the piece of crap.
And yes, I'm against most government, not all...obviously.
AGreatGuy2: I wonder if the ppl that are against it have read it??? Or they just against all gov't.
the problem is, some people, hell alotta people, take whatever the government hands to them...that in itself is the biggest problem...people just want things handed to them...anything the government does should be thoroughly questioned...if we don't, they'll run over us with steam rollers...
Hot_Single_Dude: Some economists have prOjected that the ameircaN economy will collapse during year 2011 and they beleive that certain sings of recovery in american economy and the world economy generally are not enough bringing America back on track... but I am sure this projections are deifnately wrong and America will make her way through troubled water and during this same year we are all going to see positive improvments in american and the world economy generally.
What happeens around the world and particulary in Tunesia, Egypt, Serbia, Libanon, Sudan, Algeria, Jordan, Yemen and soon in Iran, syria and else where I asure... showing that there is a fabulous potential for new investments and this time not investments on wars and conflicts and figuring out ways to make as much money as possible on fear mongering agenda... but making money on more peace and stability in the troubled areas of the world this time.
I am definate that what happened in Egypt and Tunesia is not the end of positive changes in dictatorships but this wave of positive changes can definately shift dictatorships to free or at least much more free societies, and no nations can be totaly censored from knowing truth and knowing a bout what is going on and how freedom of speech is possible to demand and possible to get even living under harsh and impossible conditions for generations of human beings in too many countries around the world. Dreams can become reality... not in America and not in free countries in Europe only but every where!
President Obama speech in Cairo/2009 :
"That does not lessen my commitment, however, to governments that reflect the will of the people. Each nation gives life to this principle in its own way, grounded in the traditions of its own people. America does not presume to know what is best for everyone, just as we would not presume to pick the outcome of a peaceful election. But I do have an unyielding belief that all people yearn for certain things: the ability to speak your mind and have a say in how you are governed; confidence in the rule of law and the equal administration of justice; government that is transparent and doesn't steal from the people; the freedom to live as you choose. Those are not just American ideas, they are human rights, and that is why we will support them everywhere.There is no straight line to realize this promise. But this much is clear: governments that protect these rights are ultimately more stable, successful and secure. Suppressing ideas never succeeds in making them go away. America respects the right of all peaceful and law-abiding voices to be heard around the world, even if we disagree with them. And we will welcome all elected, peaceful governments - provided they govern with respect for all their people."
Obama having such a bright view can lead to blossom of rather peaceful movments in countries runned by dictators for too many years and where the power of oil and strategic interests mostly belong to the area of cold war, have made it possible for dictators cleaning all their sins off because of importance of oil. Blossom of peace and negotiation and communication amoung world nations and the power of free trade but still under responsible regulations will become a big success I am sure and the economy will deifnately not staying weak or collapsing as some economists predict.
Another thread in here and I certainly hope that participants making their best staying sharp and calm so this thread is not blocked like my last thread.
Please guys... behave your self, Even when uncle HSD is not here
OBAMA ROCKS! YES WE CAN! AND THESE FABULOUS AND SIMPLE SENTENCES CAN SURE MEAN A LOT AND LEADS TOWARD MOR EPROSPERITY FOR US ALL!
If he doesn't win who are we going to blame everything on and what are you going to write about ? ? ? ? ? What happeens around the world and particulary in Tunesia, Egypt, Serbia, Libanon, Sudan, Algeria, Jordan, Yemen and soon in Iran, syria and else where I asure... showing that there is a fabulous potential for new investments and this time not investments on wars and conflicts and figuring out ways to make as much money as possible on fear mongering agenda... but making money on more peace and stability in the troubled areas of the world this time.
I am definate that what happened in Egypt and Tunesia is not the end of positive changes in dictatorships but this wave of positive changes can definately shift dictatorships to free or at least much more free societies, and no nations can be totaly censored from knowing truth and knowing a bout what is going on and how freedom of speech is possible to demand and possible to get even living under harsh and impossible conditions for generations of human beings in too many countries around the world. Dreams can become reality... not in America and not in free countries in Europe only but every where!
President Obama speech in Cairo/2009 :
"That does not lessen my commitment, however, to governments that reflect the will of the people. Each nation gives life to this principle in its own way, grounded in the traditions of its own people. America does not presume to know what is best for everyone, just as we would not presume to pick the outcome of a peaceful election. But I do have an unyielding belief that all people yearn for certain things: the ability to speak your mind and have a say in how you are governed; confidence in the rule of law and the equal administration of justice; government that is transparent and doesn't steal from the people; the freedom to live as you choose. Those are not just American ideas, they are human rights, and that is why we will support them everywhere.There is no straight line to realize this promise. But this much is clear: governments that protect these rights are ultimately more stable, successful and secure. Suppressing ideas never succeeds in making them go away. America respects the right of all peaceful and law-abiding voices to be heard around the world, even if we disagree with them. And we will welcome all elected, peaceful governments - provided they govern with respect for all their people."
Obama having such a bright view can lead to blossom of rather peaceful movments in countries runned by dictators for too many years and where the power of oil and strategic interests mostly belong to the area of cold war, have made it possible for dictators cleaning all their sins off because of importance of oil. Blossom of peace and negotiation and communication amoung world nations and the power of free trade but still under responsible regulations will become a big success I am sure and the economy will deifnately not staying weak or collapsing as some economists predict.
Another thread in here and I certainly hope that participants making their best staying sharp and calm so this thread is not blocked like my last thread.
Please guys... behave your self, Even when uncle HSD is not here
OBAMA ROCKS! YES WE CAN! AND THESE FABULOUS AND SIMPLE SENTENCES CAN SURE MEAN A LOT AND LEADS TOWARD MOR EPROSPERITY FOR US ALL!
jlw45: the problem is, some people, hell alotta people, take whatever the government hands to them...that in itself is the biggest problem...people just want things handed to them...anything the government does should be thoroughly questioned...if we don't, they'll run over us with steam rollers...
Sounds good to me.. question to your heart's content. Then present rational arguments pro or con. And if you don't agree w/ the actions they have taken then propose a better option. Otherwise, your comments fall on deaf ears.
AP Source: GM (Government Motors) hourly workers get $4,000 bonuses
DETROIT – General Motors Co. will pay more than $189 million in profit-sharing to 48,000 U.S. hourly workers and millions more in performance bonuses to salaried employees, according to company documents obtained by The Associated Press.
GM will pay most hourly workers more than $4,000 each as compensation for its strong financial performance last year, said a person briefed on the bonuses. The payments come less than two years after the automaker emerged from bankruptcy protection with the help of a huge government bailout. They're more than double the previous record payment of $1,775 in 1999, at the height of the boom in sales of sport utility vehicles and pickup trucks.
"On the whole, we made tremendous progress last year," CEO and Chairman Dan Akerson said in an e-mail message to employees announcing the payments on Monday. "With our collective teamwork, this can be just the beginning."
GM's 28,000 salaried workers, such as engineers and managers, will get bonuses equal to 4 to 16 percent of their base pay. Fewer than 1 percent will get 50 percent or more; another 3 percent will get from 16 percent to around 50 percent, the person said. GM is not giving annual pay raises.
GM made $4.2 billion in the first nine months of 2010 and is expected to soon announce a fourth-quarter profit. The company needed a $49.5 billion government bailout to survive a mid-2009 bankruptcy filing, and the government still owns 25 percent of GM's stock. Chrysler, which needed a $12.5 billion bailout, plans to pay bonuses as well. The government owns about 9 percent of Chrysler stock.
The payments were condemned by a leading critic of the industry bailout in Congress.
Actractorguy: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110214/ap_on_re_us/us_general_motors_bonuses
AP Source: GM (Government Motors) hourly workers get $4,000 bonuses
DETROIT – General Motors Co. will pay more than $189 million in profit-sharing to 48,000 U.S. hourly workers and millions more in performance bonuses to salaried employees, according to company documents obtained by The Associated Press.
GM will pay most hourly workers more than $4,000 each as compensation for its strong financial performance last year, said a person briefed on the bonuses. The payments come less than two years after the automaker emerged from bankruptcy protection with the help of a huge government bailout. They're more than double the previous record payment of $1,775 in 1999, at the height of the boom in sales of sport utility vehicles and pickup trucks.
"On the whole, we made tremendous progress last year," CEO and Chairman Dan Akerson said in an e-mail message to employees announcing the payments on Monday. "With our collective teamwork, this can be just the beginning."
GM's 28,000 salaried workers, such as engineers and managers, will get bonuses equal to 4 to 16 percent of their base pay. Fewer than 1 percent will get 50 percent or more; another 3 percent will get from 16 percent to around 50 percent, the person said. GM is not giving annual pay raises.
GM made $4.2 billion in the first nine months of 2010 and is expected to soon announce a fourth-quarter profit. The company needed a $49.5 billion government bailout to survive a mid-2009 bankruptcy filing, and the government still owns 25 percent of GM's stock. Chrysler, which needed a $12.5 billion bailout, plans to pay bonuses as well. The government owns about 9 percent of Chrysler stock.
The payments were condemned by a leading critic of the industry bailout in Congress.
AP Source: GM (Government Motors) hourly workers get $4,000 bonuses
DETROIT – General Motors Co. will pay more than $189 million in profit-sharing to 48,000 U.S. hourly workers and millions more in performance bonuses to salaried employees, according to company documents obtained by The Associated Press.
GM will pay most hourly workers more than $4,000 each as compensation for its strong financial performance last year, said a person briefed on the bonuses. The payments come less than two years after the automaker emerged from bankruptcy protection with the help of a huge government bailout. They're more than double the previous record payment of $1,775 in 1999, at the height of the boom in sales of sport utility vehicles and pickup trucks.
"On the whole, we made tremendous progress last year," CEO and Chairman Dan Akerson said in an e-mail message to employees announcing the payments on Monday. "With our collective teamwork, this can be just the beginning."
GM's 28,000 salaried workers, such as engineers and managers, will get bonuses equal to 4 to 16 percent of their base pay. Fewer than 1 percent will get 50 percent or more; another 3 percent will get from 16 percent to around 50 percent, the person said. GM is not giving annual pay raises.
GM made $4.2 billion in the first nine months of 2010 and is expected to soon announce a fourth-quarter profit. The company needed a $49.5 billion government bailout to survive a mid-2009 bankruptcy filing, and the government still owns 25 percent of GM's stock. Chrysler, which needed a $12.5 billion bailout, plans to pay bonuses as well. The government owns about 9 percent of Chrysler stock.
The payments were condemned by a leading critic of the industry bailout in Congress.
Sounds like it would be a good time for gov't to sell the stock and reap a handsome profit... Apparently it was a great investment.
AGreatGuy2: Sounds like it would be a good time for gov't to sell the stock and reap a handsome profit... Apparently it was a great investment.
Wrong. Pay back what is owed before profit sharing. Think tha bail out wwasn't designed to rob the taxpayers.
WASHINGTON -- U.S. taxpayers are about $10 billion in the red on their General Motors Co. investment after Wednesday's initial public offering. Whether the Treasury can ultimately break even will depend on how GM shares perform over the next few years.
The Treasury Department agreed Wednesday to sell 358.5 million of its common shares in GM at $33 a share, senior Obama administration officials said.
That sale raised $11.8 billion for U.S. taxpayers. It also valued the Treasury's entire 61% stake in GM -- including the shares it sold -- at about $30 billion.
The Treasury paid about $40 billion for the 912 million common shares it held at the start of the day Wednesday. To get that all back at once, the Treasury would have had to sell all its shares at about $43.85 in the IPO.
After the IPO, the Treasury Department retains about a 37% stake in GM. The remaining 554 million common shares the government owns have an indicated value of about $18.3 billion at Wednesday's IPO price.
The Treasury can't sell any additional shares for the next six months under the terms of the IPO.
To recover its full investment in GM, the government's remaining stake would need to reach a value of about $28.2 billion, or nearly $51 a share, on average. The Treasury is expected to sell off its remaining shares over time based on market prices.
The U.S. poured a total of $49.5 billion into GM last year to usher the Detroit auto maker through bankruptcy reorganization. The government has since recouped about $9.5 billion of that money as GM repaid loans, made interest payments and repurchased preferred stock from Treasury.
I think that most of what you say is right, however I believe that you are wrong about Obame, don’t think he will make anther term. And also you seem to have not taken Chine into account about Americas recovery.
Conrad73: Frying Pan into the Fire?
If you've read some of his proposals ....you might wonder if he's on the conservative's side ......
jvaski: If you've read some of his proposals ....you might wonder if he's on the conservative's side ......
He only does that to vex you!Frankinstien: If he doesn't win who are we going to blame everything on and what are you going to write about ? ? ? ? ?
One of the Bush presidents. Probably "W".
jlw45: don't forget...they like to blame reagan too...
...and McKinley too. (I think he was a Republican?)
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Ask the same question form all those Iraqi civilians your bloody guys killed for the sake of damn oil!
But Robert Fisk is a Jerk!