Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay (157)

Mar 2, 2011 11:03 AM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
Sparky55: Actually, it's a beautiful state and very diverse. Sometimes I miss it but the cost of living is through the roof compared to what it was.

Oddly enough, I'll be buying in Hawaii within the next year which is at least as expensive. That's where I'll call home after I'm done with this job and really starting to get excited at the prospect. Now if the housing market would improve enough to sell my house in Alabama and S. Carolina..


Hell, the california economy is so bad you could probably buy a house w/what you have in your billfold. yay
Mar 2, 2011 11:06 AM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
Dragge56
Dragge56Dragge56Gr, Michigan USA4 Threads 109 Posts
Governor Walker, has no wish to sit for down for talks to compromise he wants to declare victory over the public employee unions, i like to see Governor Walker give up his wages and health care,
Mar 2, 2011 11:16 AM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
I don't know if you saw Governor Walker's speech today, but he pointed out that 25 years ago Wisconsin was in the same situation as today. The same thing happened back then with much criticism of the Governor to make tough decisions.

It pulled the State out.

Our President Obama is always saying that "We must make tough decisions". Then why is he wimpy and supports the Unions?

They elected him.
Mar 2, 2011 11:49 AM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
Dragge56
Dragge56Dragge56Gr, Michigan USA4 Threads 109 Posts
i just watch Governor Walker's speech,its the same bs.he wants to take away workers rights,hes useing their wages and health care to rid workers rights plan and simple
Mar 2, 2011 11:58 AM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
Dragge56: i just watch Governor Walker's speech,its the same bs.he wants to take away workers rights,hes useing their wages and health care to rid workers rights plan and simple
yay
Mar 2, 2011 12:05 PM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
jvaski: Interestingly enough I just went twice last year to visit a buddy in Clovis ( adjoining Fresno )
We spent days fishing in Shaver lake, Huntington lake, Hensley lake, Bass lake,Millerton Lake, etc etc .....
Asolutely beautiful country right off his back yard !
You should go there sometime , and pull your head out of your rear for a little fishing and countyside relaxation


But then .....some of you might enjoy LAX and sitting in Los Angeles for your vacation instead........rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing doh
Mar 2, 2011 12:09 PM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
If the States do not pass these bills, they will fire many public workers. They will have to do that.

We all make concessions in our personal lives with our personal budgets to keep our money.

Why should Public workers be different?

The price of Gold and Silver has doubled over the past year. The price added more than $14 yesterday.

As oil prices go up, so do precious metals like gold and silver? This is because it is a hedge on inflation.

Our paper money is only backed by faith.

Thomas Jefferson:

"If the American people ever allow private banks
to control the issue of their money,
first by inflation and then by deflation,
the banks and corporations that will
grow up around them (around the banks),
will deprive the people of their property
until their children will wake up homeless
on the continent their fathers conquered."
Mar 2, 2011 12:12 PM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
john12196341
john12196341john12196341jamestown, North Dakota USA53 Threads 684 Posts
the unions have to much power and is breaking this nation economically. the workers should get raises and boneses based on merit
Mar 2, 2011 12:15 PM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
thumbs up John

Work merits...that are what I'm trying to say also.

handshake
Mar 2, 2011 1:03 PM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
When people give up in their lives with problems, they think of this song. We must never give up; there is a higher power other than Unions. We as people are the power to decide our own fate.

We as a power of one, has very little influence in the world. As a power of 2, it increases the percentage to 67%. As group like us on CS, we increase our power to over 90%.

Metallica - Nothing Else Matters



cswelcome
Mar 2, 2011 1:22 PM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
LILLYLADY
LILLYLADYLILLYLADYunknown, Ohio USA27 Threads 1,293 Posts
john12196341: the unions have to much power and is breaking this nation economically. the workers should get raises and boneses based on merit


I don't think it is the unions that are breaking this nation John. I think that the leaders and politicians are manipulating the coffers and lining their pockets. When I think of all the money that is made from casino and lottery profits and how so much of this money was to be earmarked for the public school systems I am rather angry at the lies that the public and school systems have been handed.

I don't blame the school teachers for going on strike for pay that is due to them or to let the governor know how mad they are on the way that the state had duped them with cutting their school budgets. thumbs down
Mar 2, 2011 1:37 PM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
johnaustin123: John

Work merits...that are what I'm trying to say also.

How and who would determine a merit pay raise in government and how many others in the hierarchy could block it; especially w/o having to give any justification.
Sounds like favoritism could prevail in determining merit based pay raises in government.... like in the old dark days along incumbent political party lines and not without slush funds too. Doesn't sound fair to me but corrupt. JMO
Mar 2, 2011 1:43 PM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
jvaski: Interestingly enough I just went twice last year to visit a buddy in Clovis ( adjoining Fresno )
We spent days fishing in Shaver lake, Huntington lake, Hensley lake, Bass lake,Millerton Lake, etc etc .....
Asolutely beautiful country right off his back yard !
You should go there sometime , and pull your head out of your rear for a little fishing and countyside relaxation


I can't help what CNN reports. yawn I was at the gym working out, otherwise I would have been watching Fox. (fair and balanced) grin
Mar 2, 2011 2:00 PM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
We should all as workers do the best we can for merit. There are many instances when a worker becomes injured or incapacitated because they worked hard for the employer.

Worker Compensation horror story

Michael DiRubio's California Injured Worker...

Mar 2, 2011 2:22 PM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
LILLYLADY
LILLYLADYLILLYLADYunknown, Ohio USA27 Threads 1,293 Posts
johnaustin123: We should all as workers do the best we can for merit. There are many instances when a worker becomes injured or incapacitated because they worked hard for the employer.

Worker Compensation horror story

Michael DiRubio's California Injured Worker...




My life as a dedicated hardworking nurse...6 HERNIATED DISCS for life. T12-L4...I'm one of the Workers' Comp case horror statistics. My employer booted me to the curb and has no work for me any longer. Sure wish I had a union to back me. 13 yrs and got booted because I am no longer useful.

Now I am fighting for Voctional Rehab thru Workers Comp and have been denied. Why? Because I am a nurse and I should be abe to find work. But....I cannot lift the 50 lbs or walk the floos for 8-12 hr shifts, lift patients in home care and I don't have the IT and clerical training to go to other fields within nursing. My specialty is not pediatrics or hospice. But because I am a nurse, I don't qualify for Voc Rehab. I am not placeable jobwise at this point unless some company feels they would take me under their wing. Possibly Hello Walmart joy
Mar 2, 2011 2:24 PM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
LILLYLADY
LILLYLADYLILLYLADYunknown, Ohio USA27 Threads 1,293 Posts
LILLYLADY: My life as a dedicated hardworking nurse...6 HERNIATED DISCS for life. T12-L4...I'm one of the Workers' Comp case horror statistics. My employer booted me to the curb and has no work for me any longer. Sure wish I had a union to back me. 13 yrs and got booted because I am no longer useful.

Now I am fighting for Voctional Rehab thru Workers Comp and have been denied. Why? Because I am a nurse and I should be abe to find work. But....I cannot lift the 50 lbs or walk the floos for 8-12 hr shifts, lift patients in home care and I don't have the IT and clerical training to go to other fields within nursing. My specialty is not pediatrics or hospice. But because I am a nurse, I don't qualify for Voc Rehab. I am not placeable jobwise at this point unless some company feels they would take me under their wing. Possibly Hello Walmart


Correction,"Walk the floors", not the floos. Couldn't make the correcton to stop the screen from printing it once I hit the Post button.
Mar 2, 2011 2:40 PM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
thumbs up everyone.

That is what we need in this discussion...personal stories.

...otherwise, we are only biding our time...

Pink Floyd- Biding my Time with lyrics

Mar 2, 2011 6:59 PM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
I respect both Juan Williams and Shep in a very good and intelligent report.

Shepard Smith on Wisconsin Union Busting

Mar 3, 2011 3:23 PM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
Actractorguy
ActractorguyActractorguyTims Ford Lake, Tennessee USA26 Threads 7 Polls 2,089 Posts
And here is why unions should be outlawed.



Are Unions Fighting for the Right to Organize or the Right to Coerce?

This story got a bit lost in the shuffle yesterday, but unions just suffered a big blow in Michigan. Now that the state is controlled by a Republican governor, they just put a stop to one of the most egregious examples of union overreach in the country.

Last year, I wrote about the scheme cooked up by two of America's biggest unions, along with a state government agency, to organize the Michigan's daycare providers. This was done despite the fact there was no significant interest at all in organizing among the daycare providers:

One day last fall, approximately 40,000 private day care owners in Michigan woke up to discover they had become members of a public sector union. Most had no idea what was coming.

Here's how it happened: The United Auto Workers and the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees worked with the Michigan Employment Relations Commission to conduct a vote-by-mail union election.

Of the 40,000 day care workers in the state, only 6,000 responded to the ballot they received in the mail. But that was enough for the state to declare all of the day care owners would henceforth be represented by the newly organized Child Care Providers Together Michigan union.


According to the Wall Street Journal, Michigan's Department of Human Services collects $3.7 million in union dues for the newly created union. These dues are collected by taking money out of child care subsidies the state pays to day care providers.
Mar 4, 2011 11:04 AM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
This is new, but I find flaws in some of the facts. I have seen other polls that differ...like this one we see here on CS.

Poll: Americans Support Unions In Wisconsin, No...



cswelcome
Mar 4, 2011 11:07 AM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
Faithfulness
FaithfulnessFaithfulnessWaukesha, Wisconsin USA2 Threads 1,056 Posts
You're replying to post made by: Dragge56

Governor Walker, has no wish to sit for down for talks to compromise he wants to declare victory over the public employee unions, i like to see Governor Walker give up his wages and health care,


Governor Walker did give up his wages (a whole year of wages) before he was elected governor.
Mar 4, 2011 11:11 AM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
thumbs up Faithfulness!

You are there in the middle of this in Wisconsin. You know more than many of us. Great informative comment!

wine
Mar 4, 2011 11:16 AM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
Faithfulness
FaithfulnessFaithfulnessWaukesha, Wisconsin USA2 Threads 1,056 Posts
You're replying to post made by: Dragge56

i like to see Governor Walker give up his wages and health care


Meet Scott Walker

The son of a preacher, Scott Walker grew up in the small town of Delavan, Wisconsin and it's those small town values that make Scott the man he is today. Growing up, Scott's family didn't have a lot. Those lean times taught him to do more with less and he believes government should do the same.

According to Tonette, Scott's wife of 17 years, he is every bit as fiscally conservative when it comes to his personal finances. Scott drives a 1998 Saturn with 100,000 miles on it and packs the same brown bag lunch before heading to the office to save money: two ham and cheese sandwiches on wheat with mayo.

Scott's Brown Bag Guide to Government applies the same kind of small town values and common sense ideas he follows in his personal life:

1. Don't spend more than you have.
2. Smaller government is better government.
3. People create jobs, not government.

When it comes to serving the public, Scott Walker puts his money where his mouth is there too. From 2002 through 2010, Scott and Tonette Walker have given back over $370,000 of his salary to the county.

As Governor, Scott Walker will fight to get government out of the way and lower the tax burden so the people of Wisconsin can create 250,000 jobs in our state by 2015. His six point plan can be found at .

The Walker Record

Scott Walker's government reform campaign helped sweep him into the Milwaukee County executive's office in 2002, after serving nearly nine years in the Wisconsin State Legislature. At the time, Milwaukee County was on the precipice of an organizational and financial meltdown; rocked by greedy politicians who had voted to allow themselves and hundreds of career bureaucrats to retire as millionaires at the taxpayers' expense.

Scott has kept his promise to spend the taxpayers' money as if it were his own, introducing eight consecutive county budgets without increasing the property tax levy from the year before. And Scott Walker's record as County Executive has proven time and again, that greater innovation will allow us to maintain essential government services without sacrificing community assets that enhance our quality of life.

Here are just a few of Scott's accomplishments as County Executive:

Reduced the county workforce by more than 20%
Lowered the county debt by 10%
Introduced 8 consecutive budgets without an increase to the property tax levy from the previous year.
Improved the county's bond rating
Milwaukee County Parks won the prestigious 2009 National Gold Medal for Excellence in the Park and Recreation Management Program
Eliminated the waiting list for long-term care for older adults through the Family Care program.
Milwaukee County's Mitchell International Airport received the Transportation Safety Administration's Partnership Award.
Invested over $199 million in renovations and improvements to General Mitchell International Airport without increasing the property tax levy
Airport improvements helped attract nearly 1,000 jobs from Southwest, Air Tran and Republic airlines.
Implemented a pension obligation plan to save Milwaukee County taxpayers $ 237 million

Ready to Lead

The state and national political environment today is very similar to Milwaukee County in 2002. Taxes are too high, government spending is out of control, and corruption and incompetence run rampant.

Scott Walker is uniquely qualified to lead Wisconsin's troubled state government back to fiscal sanity. As, a former state legislator and the Chief Executive of the state's largest county, Scott knows what must be done to put Wisconsin government back on the side of the people and he's willing to stand up against the entrenched special interests to do it.
Mar 4, 2011 11:17 AM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
Actractorguy: And here is why unions should be outlawed.



Are Unions Fighting for the Right to Organize or the Right to Coerce?

This story got a bit lost in the shuffle yesterday, but unions just suffered a big blow in Michigan. Now that the state is controlled by a Republican governor, they just put a stop to one of the most egregious examples of union overreach in the country.

Last year, I wrote about the scheme cooked up by two of America's biggest unions, along with a state government agency, to organize the Michigan's daycare providers. This was done despite the fact there was no significant interest at all in organizing among the daycare providers:

One day last fall, approximately 40,000 private day care owners in Michigan woke up to discover they had become members of a public sector union. Most had no idea what was coming.

Here's how it happened: The United Auto Workers and the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees worked with the Michigan Employment Relations Commission to conduct a vote-by-mail union election.

Of the 40,000 day care workers in the state, only 6,000 responded to the ballot they received in the mail. But that was enough for the state to declare all of the day care owners would henceforth be represented by the newly organized Child Care Providers Together Michigan union.

According to the Wall Street Journal, Michigan's Department of Human Services collects $3.7 million in union dues for the newly created union. These dues are collected by taking money out of child care subsidies the state pays to day care providers.


I think in some circles that would be called "quid pro quo'.
Mar 4, 2011 11:44 AM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
thumbs up Freddy

Good post. The Dems that left Wisconsin may be under criminal indictment. The Law states though that they can only be held in containment unless they are in session.

Some may go to trial.

Pink Floyd- The Trial

Mar 4, 2011 12:01 PM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
Faithfulness: You're replying to post made by: Dragge56

i like to see Governor Walker give up his wages and health careMeet Scott Walker

The son of a preacher, Scott Walker grew up in the small town of Delavan, Wisconsin and it's those small town values that make Scott the man he is today. Growing up, Scott's family didn't have a lot. Those lean times taught him to do more with less and he believes government should do the same.

According to Tonette, Scott's wife of 17 years, he is every bit as fiscally conservative when it comes to his personal finances. Scott drives a 1998 Saturn with 100,000 miles on it and packs the same brown bag lunch before heading to the office to save money: two ham and cheese sandwiches on wheat with mayo.

Scott's Brown Bag Guide to Government applies the same kind of small town values and common sense ideas he follows in his personal life:

1. Don't spend more than you have.
2. Smaller government is better government.
3. People create jobs, not government.

When it comes to serving the public, Scott Walker puts his money where his mouth is there too. From 2002 through 2010, Scott and Tonette Walker have given back over $370,000 of his salary to the county.

As Governor, Scott Walker will fight to get government out of the way and lower the tax burden so the people of Wisconsin can create 250,000 jobs in our state by 2015. His six point plan can be found at .

The Walker Record

Scott Walker's government reform campaign helped sweep him into the Milwaukee County executive's office in 2002, after serving nearly nine years in the Wisconsin State Legislature. At the time, Milwaukee County was on the precipice of an organizational and financial meltdown; rocked by greedy politicians who had voted to allow themselves and hundreds of career bureaucrats to retire as millionaires at the taxpayers' expense.

Scott has kept his promise to spend the taxpayers' money as if it were his own, introducing eight consecutive county budgets without increasing the property tax levy from the year before. And Scott Walker's record as County Executive has proven time and again, that greater innovation will allow us to maintain essential government services without sacrificing community assets that enhance our quality of life.

Here are just a few of Scott's accomplishments as County Executive:

Reduced the county workforce by more than 20%
Lowered the county debt by 10%
Introduced 8 consecutive budgets without an increase to the property tax levy from the previous year.
Improved the county's bond rating
Milwaukee County Parks won the prestigious 2009 National Gold Medal for Excellence in the Park and Recreation Management Program
Eliminated the waiting list for long-term care for older adults through the Family Care program.
Milwaukee County's Mitchell International Airport received the Transportation Safety Administration's Partnership Award.
Invested over $199 million in renovations and improvements to General Mitchell International Airport without increasing the property tax levy
Airport improvements helped attract nearly 1,000 jobs from Southwest, Air Tran and Republic airlines.
Implemented a pension obligation plan to save Milwaukee County taxpayers $ 237 million

Ready to Lead

The state and national political environment today is very similar to Milwaukee County in 2002. Taxes are too high, government spending is out of control, and corruption and incompetence run rampant.

Scott Walker is uniquely qualified to lead Wisconsin's troubled state government back to fiscal sanity. As, a former state legislator and the Chief Executive of the state's largest county, Scott knows what must be done to put Wisconsin government back on the side of the people and he's willing to stand up against the entrenched special interests to do it.
thumbs up
Mar 4, 2011 7:03 PM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
Governor Walker sent out a form letter today to all State offices. It says that 15,000 workers will be laid off and that he will follow-up with an individual list.

The unemployment numbers look a little better this week. Factored in is that 30,000 workers in the Public sector have lost their jobs recently but manufacturing jobs made a big gain. Retail lost jobs also.

The trend seems to be toward the Private sector that tends to be un-unionized.

The Unemployment Blues

Mar 5, 2011 6:31 PM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
I made a typo in my report that 15,000 workers were going to have pink slips. The actual number is 1500 in Wisconsin. The 15,000 figure may be relatively close to the National figure.

I saved this personal Union story for you:

In 1989, I worked for a nonunion Company in Ohio to install and service Security Camera’s. We were hired by Midland Steel in Cleveland, Ohio. Midland was in a very violent battle with the local Union.

We completed the job, but were called back a few days later because a camera was not working. We always worked as a duo for safety reasons. When we found the camera, I climbed the ladder and opened camera enclosure. What I found was a bullet hole into the side of the camera from a high powered rifle.

The Union local was directly across the street…only a couple of hundred feet away.

Midland Steel asked us if we could install a camera on their roof to look directly at the Union Hall. We said yes because we had an automatic telescopic lens that could zoom in and even read the fliers on their walls.

This was one of the most frightening experiences of my life. We got onto the roof with the camera equipment. We saw how close the Union Hall was from us. Fortunately, there was a 3 foot brick firewall across the top of the building. We worked on our backs to install the camera with protection from the firewall.

This story is absolutely true and I hope that you have enjoyed it. I think about it daily.
Mar 10, 2011 5:49 PM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
This is a real mess in Wisconsin. Protesters finding a way to enter the building through a window to get inside the State building and having to be dragged out by Wisconsin Police Authorities. (Most of you have seen the videos).

The Pubs surprised the Dems by finding a way to vote on collective bargaining. I’ve seen the Wisconsin constitutional law's that the Pubs used, and it looks like what they did was legal.

One of the most frightening things I saw was that there was no way to check for guns on the protesters. Many of you may be also aware of the death threats against GOP lawmakers by email. The death threat letter is posted all over the news.

This issue also came up:

What if it was the Tea Party doing these protests?

The Lib Media would be all over them. Since these protesters are left of center, they get by from some media sources.

Megyn Kelly - Biography - FoxNews.com





political news - wisconsin union vote PASSED - unions lose bargaining rights

Mar 10, 2011 6:02 PM CST Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
johnaustin123: This is a real mess in Wisconsin. Protesters finding a way to enter the building through a window to get inside the State building and having to be dragged out by Wisconsin Police Authorities. (Most of you have seen the videos).

The Pubs surprised the Dems by finding a way to vote on collective bargaining. I’ve seen the Wisconsin constitutional law's that the Pubs used, and it looks like what they did was legal.

One of the most frightening things I saw was that there was no way to check for guns on the protesters. Many of you may be also aware of the death threats against GOP lawmakers by email. The death threat letter is posted all over the news.

This issue also came up:

What if it was the Tea Party doing these protests?

The Lib Media would be all over them. Since these protesters are left of center, they get by from some media sources.

Megyn Kelly - Biography - FoxNews.com





political news - wisconsin union vote PASSED - unions lose bargaining rights



Where's Obama? He should be speaking out about the violence like he did when Gabby was shot.dunno dunno dunno dunno

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