Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay (157)
JThat was new news to me. Isn't this the whole issue that we are talking about on this thread? Union workers need to concede rather than protest.
An issue has not been brought up yet...What about raising the retirement age higher? I'm not sure either way about that.
This provision is included in the Bills.
Sparky55: To me, Unions have morphed into nothing more than another Special Interest Group. they've led to the corruption of our political system just like other lobbiest do. President Obama got elected in part thanks to his catering to the Unions.
Once, long ago, Unions actually meant something and did some good, some still do but the majority are all about getting more money & benefits for their members with little regard for the impact. Perhaps this more than anything else explains the significant decline in union membership over the past 40 years.
Once, long ago, Unions actually meant something and did some good, some still do but the majority are all about getting more money & benefits for their members with little regard for the impact. Perhaps this more than anything else explains the significant decline in union membership over the past 40 years.
I agree the unions are self-serving money grubbing worthless mafia organizations......but if I were that governor - I'de be smart enough to take steps in increments to chop away at their power.
Some businesses do benefit by and actually want unions in order to have one entity to negotiate with for employee's wages and benefits. If the union is reasonable the relationship model does work and allows more production and less time dickering with employees indivual issues .....
johnaustin123: J
That was new news to me. Isn't this the whole issue that we are talking about on this thread? Union workers need to concede rather than protest.
An issue has not been brought up yet...What about raising the retirement age higher? I'm not sure either way about that.
This provision is included in the Bills.
That was new news to me. Isn't this the whole issue that we are talking about on this thread? Union workers need to concede rather than protest.
An issue has not been brought up yet...What about raising the retirement age higher? I'm not sure either way about that.
This provision is included in the Bills.
One would hope there are concessions on both ends .....that's how this would be resolved equitably
This whole senario is not unlike a few times where I had lost my patience on my comstruction jobs with spoiled sub-contractors.
A few times I fired the whole bunch of them - and it cost me dearly for the delay in finding new help to finish the jobs.
I quickly learned that you get more cooperation and better production by not ruling with an iron fist. I made concessions and as did they and we all got along.
A few times I fired the whole bunch of them - and it cost me dearly for the delay in finding new help to finish the jobs.
I quickly learned that you get more cooperation and better production by not ruling with an iron fist. I made concessions and as did they and we all got along.
hedistuff: 'I'm stickin' with the union......'
Keep your eye on the "handwriting on the wall".....just a suggestion .......
johnaustin123: J
That was new news to me. Isn't this the whole issue that we are talking about on this thread? Union workers need to concede rather than protest.
An issue has not been brought up yet...What about raising the retirement age higher? I'm not sure either way about that.
This provision is included in the Bills.
That was new news to me. Isn't this the whole issue that we are talking about on this thread? Union workers need to concede rather than protest.
An issue has not been brought up yet...What about raising the retirement age higher? I'm not sure either way about that.
This provision is included in the Bills.
JA, you are sounding more and more like a troll. The WI union workers have conceded on wages and benefits and in Ohio, even the public pension systems have proposed that retirement ages be increased here. What's your beef?
Greets galrads
I'm very familiar with Ohio politics. I was born in Kirtland, Ohio and had lived there most of my life. I come back to Ohio in April.
I don't have any beef other than my own experiences from Northeast, Ohio. I'm just stating my beliefs about my Union experiences.
How about the floods in Ohio today?
I won't fly back until those are gone! LOL!
John
I'm very familiar with Ohio politics. I was born in Kirtland, Ohio and had lived there most of my life. I come back to Ohio in April.
I don't have any beef other than my own experiences from Northeast, Ohio. I'm just stating my beliefs about my Union experiences.
How about the floods in Ohio today?
I won't fly back until those are gone! LOL!
John
jvaski: California isn't unlike many other states that have a severe budget crisis......
All these states have been in need of trimming the fat in government and public and state employees pay and benefits for quite some time.........
But the way that Wis governor is obviously union-busting is way outta line ........it's to abrupt and extreem
And, It'll serve to re-kindle and escalate the fighting between the parties to a point where absolutley nothing will be accomplished......
All these states have been in need of trimming the fat in government and public and state employees pay and benefits for quite some time.........
But the way that Wis governor is obviously union-busting is way outta line ........it's to abrupt and extreem
And, It'll serve to re-kindle and escalate the fighting between the parties to a point where absolutley nothing will be accomplished......
galrads: JA, you are sounding more and more like a troll. The WI union workers have conceded on wages and benefits and in Ohio, even the public pension systems have proposed that retirement ages be increased here. What's your beef?
BTW, if ya start out with insults ....ya gotta be prepared to have it returned .....
Dragge56: its been business greed, we have non union shopes moving to other countrys,
Could it be union employees greed. Demanding $30 an hour for a $15 an hour job?
Unions are safety cautious and they deserve credit for that. When an electrical service or installation is done, a Union employee will be there to flick a switch to provide power for safety to other Union workers.
This is far and beyond what most private employers would do. It costs the Unions a lot of money to provide this service.
Wish You Were Here- Pink Floyd feat. John Lennon
This is far and beyond what most private employers would do. It costs the Unions a lot of money to provide this service.
Wish You Were Here- Pink Floyd feat. John Lennon
emmaDid you look at the comment I made just above you in favor of some Union practices? I'm not as anti-union as you think.
Emma: Can you tell us about some of your Union experiences?
jvaski: BTW, if ya start out with insults ....ya gotta be prepared to have it returned .....
Insults? Are you saying you are an insult? Does that hurt you?
JA=JohnAustin123, but Whatever trips your trigger so I'll accept your apology anytime.
And by the way... I haven't had a job in near 4 years now. clueless.
galrads
I know that finding jobs is difficult in Ohio, but 4 years is extending it a little. There are help wanted signs all over.
Sure, these jobs are minimum wage and non-union, but you have to start again somewhere...even if it is at McDonalds.
I did apoligize to you in an above comment with a handshake. I will do it again.
I know that finding jobs is difficult in Ohio, but 4 years is extending it a little. There are help wanted signs all over.
Sure, these jobs are minimum wage and non-union, but you have to start again somewhere...even if it is at McDonalds.
I did apoligize to you in an above comment with a handshake. I will do it again.
johnaustin123: galrads
I know that finding jobs is difficult in Ohio, but 4 years is extending it a little. There are help wanted signs all over.
Sure, these jobs are minimum wage and non-union, but you have to start again somewhere...even if it is at McDonalds.
I did apoligize to you in an above comment with a handshake. I will do it again.
I know that finding jobs is difficult in Ohio, but 4 years is extending it a little. There are help wanted signs all over.
Sure, these jobs are minimum wage and non-union, but you have to start again somewhere...even if it is at McDonalds.
I did apoligize to you in an above comment with a handshake. I will do it again.
Thanks, JA, but not necessary. I was trying to rib you and regrettably someone else didn't see it that way or thought I was directing my comments at him. Crappola happens I guess so I too apologize for distracting your post.
Kind of funny though; I've heard of road rage and sidewalk rage and parking garage rage but now... forum thread rage on CS.
btw: I'm fortunate to be retired comfortably and don't want to work again unless I find another passion to work on.
How are the Beaches there this time of year?
Greets galrads
Beaches are great in Hawaii. When I get back to Ohio, I have a beach house on Headlands Beach in Mentor...beach is great there too.
I know that you weren't ribbing me. I know who was though on this thread. It was a set-up that this person tried to do between us. I am following this person's posts.
John
Beaches are great in Hawaii. When I get back to Ohio, I have a beach house on Headlands Beach in Mentor...beach is great there too.
I know that you weren't ribbing me. I know who was though on this thread. It was a set-up that this person tried to do between us. I am following this person's posts.
John
emmaline: he was talking to john austin
It was started with JA,
Damn.....did I just make another enemy .....
galrads: Insults? Are you saying you are an insult? Does that hurt you?
JA=JohnAustin123, but Whatever trips your trigger so I'll accept your apology anytime.
And by the way... I haven't had a job in near 4 years now. clueless.
JA=JohnAustin123, but Whatever trips your trigger so I'll accept your apology anytime.
And by the way... I haven't had a job in near 4 years now. clueless.
OOps....my apology to you Sir ......
jvaski: Does that mean you'll be saying something nice about Calif for me soon ?
I'll say something. I grew up there (Lancaster) Not a bad place to grow up but I haven't been back since 79 except passing through the airport in San Francisco and LA
Sparky55: I'll say something. I grew up there (Lancaster) Not a bad place to grow up but I haven't been back since 79 except passing through the airport in San Francisco and LA
Thanks, that was a whole lot nicer than anything FUD has said about Cal for some time
jvaski: Thanks, that was a whole lot nicer than anything FUD has said about Cal for some time
Actually, it's a beautiful state and very diverse. Sometimes I miss it but the cost of living is through the roof compared to what it was.
Oddly enough, I'll be buying in Hawaii within the next year which is at least as expensive. That's where I'll call home after I'm done with this job and really starting to get excited at the prospect. Now if the housing market would improve enough to sell my house in Alabama and S. Carolina..
Sparky55: Actually, it's a beautiful state and very diverse. Sometimes I miss it but the cost of living is through the roof compared to what it was.
Oddly enough, I'll be buying in Hawaii within the next year which is at least as expensive. That's where I'll call home after I'm done with this job and really starting to get excited at the prospect. Now if the housing market would improve enough to sell my house in Alabama and S. Carolina..
Oddly enough, I'll be buying in Hawaii within the next year which is at least as expensive. That's where I'll call home after I'm done with this job and really starting to get excited at the prospect. Now if the housing market would improve enough to sell my house in Alabama and S. Carolina..
Great ! Then yu can pal -up with Johnaustin !
It's OK JWe are in discussion here, and sometimes words have 2 meanings, especially with politics. The point that I'm making is that this is what is wrong with our talks about Unions and other political issues around the world. Both sides of the table need to sit down and hash it out.
We would not be seeing this in Wisconsin if both sides would just sit down and talk. The Dems leaving the State and not willing to do that will be a Historical black eye for Wisconsin in the History books.
Led Zeppelin-Stairway to Heaven
jvaski: Thanks, that was a whole lot nicer than anything FUD has said about Cal for some time
I hope you don't go near fresno JV....it's one of the most "toxic" cities in the country. Be safe. Maybe wear a gas mask when you drive thru.
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This is happening across all 50 States. Did you see your news in CA today? Major layoffs in the Public sector in your State.
...because of CA budget crises.
California isn't unlike many other states that have a severe budget crisis......
All these states have been in need of trimming the fat in government and public and state employees pay and benefits for quite some time.........
But the way that Wis governor is obviously union-busting is way outta line ........it's to abrupt and extreem
And, It'll serve to re-kindle and escalate the fighting between the parties to a point where absolutley nothing will be accomplished......