Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay (157)
Yes Freddy.
The Unions take a portion of their dues to give donations to a candidate of the Union's choice whether the individual worker agrees with the choice or not.
These donation's go to Democrats almost 100% of the time.
Some of the Union workers are Conservative or Republican and it is forced down their throats to vote Democrat. Thank goodness that they can't see the results of their voters.
If they could, they would sanction them.
Maybe it is time now for Union workers to fire some of their leadership, especially AFL-CIO. One of these days...maybe it is time now.
Pink Floyd - One Of These Days
The Unions take a portion of their dues to give donations to a candidate of the Union's choice whether the individual worker agrees with the choice or not.
These donation's go to Democrats almost 100% of the time.
Some of the Union workers are Conservative or Republican and it is forced down their throats to vote Democrat. Thank goodness that they can't see the results of their voters.
If they could, they would sanction them.
Maybe it is time now for Union workers to fire some of their leadership, especially AFL-CIO. One of these days...maybe it is time now.
Pink Floyd - One Of These Days
johnaustin123: Yes Freddy.
The Unions take a portion of their dues to give donations to a candidate of the Union's choice whether the individual worker agrees with the choice or not.
These donation's go to Democrats almost 100% of the time.
Some of the Union workers are Conservative or Republican and it is forced down their throats to vote Democrat. Thank goodness that they can't see the results of their voters.
If they could, they would sanction them.
Maybe it is time now for Union workers to fire some of their leadership, especially AFL-CIO. One of these days...maybe it is time now.
Pink Floyd - One Of These Days
The Unions take a portion of their dues to give donations to a candidate of the Union's choice whether the individual worker agrees with the choice or not.
These donation's go to Democrats almost 100% of the time.
Some of the Union workers are Conservative or Republican and it is forced down their throats to vote Democrat. Thank goodness that they can't see the results of their voters.
If they could, they would sanction them.
Maybe it is time now for Union workers to fire some of their leadership, especially AFL-CIO. One of these days...maybe it is time now.
Pink Floyd - One Of These Days
john i respectfully disagree here. you are implying people have no mind to make up for themselves, that they do precisely as their unions tell them to do in aspects outside of the work environment
I say let chaos prevail until it reaches inside the bedrooms of the white house and all the orfices of the capital 
johnaustin123: Yes Freddy.
The Unions take a portion of their dues to give donations to a candidate of the Union's choice whether the individual worker agrees with the choice or not.
These donation's go to Democrats almost 100% of the time.
Some of the Union workers are Conservative or Republican and it is forced down their throats to vote Democrat. Thank goodness that they can't see the results of their voters.
If they could, they would sanction them.
Maybe it is time now for Union workers to fire some of their leadership, especially AFL-CIO. One of these days...maybe it is time now.
Pink Floyd - One Of These Days
The Unions take a portion of their dues to give donations to a candidate of the Union's choice whether the individual worker agrees with the choice or not.
These donation's go to Democrats almost 100% of the time.
Some of the Union workers are Conservative or Republican and it is forced down their throats to vote Democrat. Thank goodness that they can't see the results of their voters.
If they could, they would sanction them.
Maybe it is time now for Union workers to fire some of their leadership, especially AFL-CIO. One of these days...maybe it is time now.
Pink Floyd - One Of These Days
Uh, JA, that's not exactly accurate.....
First, though, do we want to return to the dark ages when the barons ruled?
A bit of our History (guaranteed no spin)…..
Let's look at just three anti-union big-buck dudes prospering on the back of us serfs…. Carnegie, J.P. Morgan, Rockefeller.
All tyrants, that are believed to have put millions of laborers in their graves early when unions were denied!
Then Carnegie becomes a philanthropist all of a sudden to improve/change his legacy.
OK, back to the present…..
Always, Always follow the money….. I hear the real reason behind the movement to bust up unions in state and local governments is simply to stop the flow of money from mandatory union dues to political activities funds.
Bull crap (in Ohio anyways). Any state civil service nonexempt classified government employee here has always (ALWAYS) had the ability to opt out of regular dues. By opting-out these opt-out employees still reap the benefits of collective bargaining but have no voice in bargaining.
A new world order destroyed, and the American worker's lifestyle saved…..
All these current government fiscal woes would disappear overnight if we went back to a government non-debt currency issued by the Federal government instead of the debt-based central private bank system called the Federal Reserve; like Abraham did with the U.S.A. Federal government printed and distributed green-backs which funded the civil war... which action, by the way, also held back the opportunity for the British troops stage in Canada and French Troops staged in the S.E. who just waiting for the American 'Union" to bust up.... unaware that the wedge between the North and South states created by the then private central debt-based banking system was outlawed.
That's right, instead of us serfs paying interest to a private central banking system like the federal reserve, for printing and circulating money, the U.S.A. federal government can do it without charging itself interest (like Lincoln did) and guess what? If you don't have this interest to pay, you don't have need for a personal income tax in the U.S.A. as it is used primary to pay down on the interest charged by the Federal Reserve.
Can you dig that?!
Post Author: galrads
Hey, JH, are you guys serious?
The biggest expenses in state government(s) include education, medicaid, prisons, transportation, unemployment compensation; not salaries/benefits. Sure, fat exists elsewhere but it's not with the majority of government employees, who are also tax payers. We bail out wall street and then target public employees for their efforts to provide police and fire services and teachers and prison guards etc.
I say let all the prisoners in America free, forget snow and ice removal, forget clean water and waste disposal and sewer maintenance. Our kids can get home schooling, forget the disabled and abandoned, let the environment go back to the dirty and unhealthy 60's style and fire all the traffic controllers again at the same time. We don't need any of them. Instead, all we need to do is pay for grander parties for the bankers! Down with the little guy!
REALLY? Are you serious???? The company I work for is a non-profirt agency. We do not have a union. I have insurance through my job. So, yes I pay for it. I have to pay $55 every two weeks (just for myself for coverage). All this to say this....The share my company pays to have health insurance for all of my coworkers and me is over $1 million a year. (And by the way, I work in the health care field.)
I get paid more at my present non union job than I did at the union job I used to have.
My opion is that you don't need unions or collective bargaining to have a good paying job with benefits.
Hey, JH, are you guys serious?
The biggest expenses in state government(s) include education, medicaid, prisons, transportation, unemployment compensation; not salaries/benefits. Sure, fat exists elsewhere but it's not with the majority of government employees, who are also tax payers. We bail out wall street and then target public employees for their efforts to provide police and fire services and teachers and prison guards etc.
I say let all the prisoners in America free, forget snow and ice removal, forget clean water and waste disposal and sewer maintenance. Our kids can get home schooling, forget the disabled and abandoned, let the environment go back to the dirty and unhealthy 60's style and fire all the traffic controllers again at the same time. We don't need any of them. Instead, all we need to do is pay for grander parties for the bankers! Down with the little guy!
REALLY? Are you serious???? The company I work for is a non-profirt agency. We do not have a union. I have insurance through my job. So, yes I pay for it. I have to pay $55 every two weeks (just for myself for coverage). All this to say this....The share my company pays to have health insurance for all of my coworkers and me is over $1 million a year. (And by the way, I work in the health care field.)
I get paid more at my present non union job than I did at the union job I used to have.
My opion is that you don't need unions or collective bargaining to have a good paying job with benefits.
emmaline: john i respectfully disagree here. you are implying people have no mind to make up for themselves, that they do precisely as their unions tell them to do in aspects outside of the work environment
Em: check you mail.
I respectfully disagree emma
I have worked in a couple of Union places in my lifetime and I was present at some meetings...the brainwashing that took place there. If someone spoke their mind and true feelings, they were likely to be gone shortly.
At these meetings, most people did not speak up because they feared retaliation by Union Reps.
I'm a free lance writer now, so I don't have to worry about it.
I have worked in a couple of Union places in my lifetime and I was present at some meetings...the brainwashing that took place there. If someone spoke their mind and true feelings, they were likely to be gone shortly.
At these meetings, most people did not speak up because they feared retaliation by Union Reps.
I'm a free lance writer now, so I don't have to worry about it.
Faithfulness: Post Author: galradsHey, JH, are you guys serious?
The biggest expenses in state government(s) include education, medicaid, prisons, transportation, unemployment compensation; not salaries/benefits. Sure, fat exists elsewhere but it's not with the majority of government employees, who are also tax payers. We bail out wall street and then target public employees for their efforts to provide police and fire services and teachers and prison guards etc.
I say let all the prisoners in America free, forget snow and ice removal, forget clean water and waste disposal and sewer maintenance. Our kids can get home schooling, forget the disabled and abandoned, let the environment go back to the dirty and unhealthy 60's style and fire all the traffic controllers again at the same time. We don't need any of them. Instead, all we need to do is pay for grander parties for the bankers! Down with the little guy!
REALLY? Are you serious???? The company I work for is a non-profirt agency. We do not have a union. I have insurance through my job. So, yes I pay for it. I have to pay $55 every two weeks (just for myself for coverage). All this to say this....The share my company pays to have health insurance for all of my coworkers and me is over $1 million a year. (And by the way, I work in the health care field.)
I get paid more at my present non union job than I did at the union job I used to have.
My opion is that you don't need unions or collective bargaining to have a good paying job with benefits.
The biggest expenses in state government(s) include education, medicaid, prisons, transportation, unemployment compensation; not salaries/benefits. Sure, fat exists elsewhere but it's not with the majority of government employees, who are also tax payers. We bail out wall street and then target public employees for their efforts to provide police and fire services and teachers and prison guards etc.
I say let all the prisoners in America free, forget snow and ice removal, forget clean water and waste disposal and sewer maintenance. Our kids can get home schooling, forget the disabled and abandoned, let the environment go back to the dirty and unhealthy 60's style and fire all the traffic controllers again at the same time. We don't need any of them. Instead, all we need to do is pay for grander parties for the bankers! Down with the little guy!
REALLY? Are you serious???? The company I work for is a non-profirt agency. We do not have a union. I have insurance through my job. So, yes I pay for it. I have to pay $55 every two weeks (just for myself for coverage). All this to say this....The share my company pays to have health insurance for all of my coworkers and me is over $1 million a year. (And by the way, I work in the health care field.)
I get paid more at my present non union job than I did at the union job I used to have.
My opion is that you don't need unions or collective bargaining to have a good paying job with benefits.
Hi FF, Yes, I am serious.....
Maybe you are unaware of the corruption history in government and the purpose for cicil service protection as it originated.
Protections for civil service employees originated in the early part of the twentieth century due to the need to protect them from politicians and to maintain public services during transition periods of administration changes from one political party to another.... This action was a positive step forward in Ohio for both public and private employees.
Still, these civil service laws in Ohio did not provide for benefits and adequate pay increases (few even cost of living adjustments). Actually, Collective bargaining law implementation in Ohio also provided for the long due equal pay for equal work performed by women in both public and private sectors. If something is wrong with collective bargaining then fix it. There is no need to erradicate it.
Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay poll speaks for itself people. Look at the results.
When I worked at Avery-Dennison, we developed the concept of consensus based on a Japanese principle.
This was not by vote, but rather a decision that we could all live with. We as a group decided who we wanted to hire or let go depending on work performance - no Union.
When I worked at Avery-Dennison, we developed the concept of consensus based on a Japanese principle.
This was not by vote, but rather a decision that we could all live with. We as a group decided who we wanted to hire or let go depending on work performance - no Union.
johnaustin123: Trouble in Wisconsin Unions yea or nay poll speaks for itself people. Look at the results.
When I worked at Avery-Dennison, we developed the concept of consensus based on a Japanese principle.
This was not by vote, but rather a decision that we could all live with. We as a group decided who we wanted to hire or let go depending on work performance - no Union.
When I worked at Avery-Dennison, we developed the concept of consensus based on a Japanese principle.
This was not by vote, but rather a decision that we could all live with. We as a group decided who we wanted to hire or let go depending on work performance - no Union.
We should model after the Japanese? Sounds like they give more to their employees including cradle-to-grave jobs (for life) yet you want to complain about seniority teacher and other government employees have?
Right arm. Kill the unions, let's go back to the stone ages. If it's not broke don't fix it. If it needs fix tweak it, but don't take away government employee protection from politicians needing to find jobs for and award their own people.
Wikipedia.....
Many both in and outside of Japan share an image of the Japanese work environment that is based on a lifetime-employment model used by large companies as well as a reputation of long work-hours and strong devotion to one's company. This environment is said to reflect economic conditions beginning in the 1920s, when major corporations competing in the international marketplace began to accrue the same prestige that had traditionally been ascribed to the daimyo-retainer relationship of feudal Japan or government service in the Meiji Restoration. At the very top, the most prestigious companies would recruit and retain the best workers by offering better benefits and truly lifetime job security. By the 1960s, employment at a large prestigious company had become the goal of children of the new middle class, the pursuit of which required mobilization of family resources and great individual perseverance in order to achieve success in the fiercely competitive education system.
Employees are expected to work hard and demonstrate loyalty to the firm, in exchange for some degree of job security and benefits, such as housing subsidies, good insurance, the use of recreation facilities, and bonuses and pensions. Wages begin low, but seniority is rewarded, with promotions based on a combination of seniority and ability. Leadership is not based on assertiveness or quick decision making but on the ability to create consensus, taking into account the needs of subordinates. Surveys indicate continued preference for bosses who are demanding but show concern for workers' private lives over less-demanding bosses interested only in performance on the job. This system rewards behavior demonstrating identification with the team effort, indicated by singing the company song, not taking all of one's vacation days, and sharing credit for accomplishments with the work group. Pride in one's work is expressed through competition with other parallel sections in the company and between one's company and other companies in similar lines of business. Thus, individuals are motivated to maintain wa (harmony) and participate in group activities, not only on the job but also in after-hours socializing (nomikai). The image of group loyalty, however, may be more a matter of ideology than practice, especially for people who do not make it to the top.
Maybe we should model ourselves after China?
The Japanese were very successful with this Philosophy until the 90's when Economics beyond worker control took over. The system was working until then.
I liken what happened in Japan to that the Government was like a Union and the worker's suffered.
Unions
The Japanese were very successful with this Philosophy until the 90's when Economics beyond worker control took over. The system was working until then.
I liken what happened in Japan to that the Government was like a Union and the worker's suffered.
Unions
johnaustin123: I respectfully disagree emma
I have worked in a couple of Union places in my lifetime and I was present at some meetings...the brainwashing that took place there. If someone spoke their mind and true feelings, they were likely to be gone shortly.
At these meetings, most people did not speak up because they feared retaliation by Union Reps.
I'm a free lance writer now, so I don't have to worry about it.
I have worked in a couple of Union places in my lifetime and I was present at some meetings...the brainwashing that took place there. If someone spoke their mind and true feelings, they were likely to be gone shortly.
At these meetings, most people did not speak up because they feared retaliation by Union Reps.
I'm a free lance writer now, so I don't have to worry about it.
your implying that the unions have power over your mind.
they simply dont.
My late husband worked for a steel company and there was no union.The owners felt they didn't need all the politics behind having a union.
The workers were happy the way things were and never had any complaints about their working conditions.The company owners always put their workers before themselves.
The workers were happy the way things were and never had any complaints about their working conditions.The company owners always put their workers before themselves.
Ccincy
Many people on CS feel that you are the most respected person on here. Everyone loves Ccincy...she always has a good opinion.
Applause
Many people on CS feel that you are the most respected person on here. Everyone loves Ccincy...she always has a good opinion.
Applause
johnaustin123: Ccincy
Many people on CS feel that you are the most respected person on here. Everyone loves Ccincy...she always has a good opinion.
Applause
Many people on CS feel that you are the most respected person on here. Everyone loves Ccincy...she always has a good opinion.
Applause
john Oh I don't think everyone on CS feels that I'm the most resepected person here.LOL
I'm also pretty sure that most people on here loves me.Not that I lose any sleep if they don't.I'm not here to win a popularity contest anyway.
Ccincy, you are humble.Norman Greenbaum - Spirit In The Sky (Lyrics)
johnaustin123: Unions block progress, simple as that. If you need a Union to fight for your job, then you are not able to fight for your job on your own or you don't believe in the system of free enterprise.
How much are the Republicans paying you?
Unions are not a Republican or Conservative issue. It's an issue of all political spectrums. The Governor of Indiana ran and was elected on the same platform with what is going on in Wisconsin. He kept his campaign promises. He is far ahead of the game...Indiana now has a surplus Economy.
By the way, Governor Walker gave these Commy Democrats 24 hours to get back to their jobs today...like they should have been doing in the first place.
Jackie Evancho performs Silent Night with the Canadian Tenors (12.13.2010)
By the way, Governor Walker gave these Commy Democrats 24 hours to get back to their jobs today...like they should have been doing in the first place.
Jackie Evancho performs Silent Night with the Canadian Tenors (12.13.2010)
After reading in the news about what's been going on in Wisconsin and elsewhere I feel that unions have outlived their usefulness.Originally they were formed for the betterment of working conditions etc.To me they're no different then politicans full of greed and power.
I think the unions are all now about serving themselves instead of the workers anyway.Now they just tort money from employees and employers and the only people who really benefit are the union bosses.
I think the unions are all now about serving themselves instead of the workers anyway.Now they just tort money from employees and employers and the only people who really benefit are the union bosses.
Those "Commy Democrats " have the full respect and support of the people who elected them..........they ARE doing their job by staying away and stalling a vote.
I have to admit I am somewhat pleased to see those public employees clipped for salary or benefits .....but completely stripping them of bargaining rights is wrong !
I have to admit I am somewhat pleased to see those public employees clipped for salary or benefits .....but completely stripping them of bargaining rights is wrong !
Disagree J. They are not doing jobs for their constituents, but running away from responsibility.
Simon & Garfunkel - Sound Of Silence
Simon & Garfunkel - Sound Of Silence
We still have and need unions, workers have the right to bargain in a free society. the also need to be watched carefully.
What i dont like is the crooked rebub governor playing footsie with Koch- that says it all about the corruption in our country.
What i dont like is the crooked rebub governor playing footsie with Koch- that says it all about the corruption in our country.
raphael118: We still have and need unions, workers have the right to bargain in a free society. the also need to be watched carefully.
What i dont like is the crooked rebub governor playing footsie with Koch- that says it all about the corruption in our country.
What i dont like is the crooked rebub governor playing footsie with Koch- that says it all about the corruption in our country.
It's mostly about selfserving power hunrgy and greedy politics.
How about getting Communists like Van Jones out of the way raphael118?
A big protest about this is soon to be in DC. Do you know who got the permit? American Socialist Party.
A big protest about this is soon to be in DC. Do you know who got the permit? American Socialist Party.
johnaustin123: Disagree J. They are not doing jobs for their constituents, but running away from responsibility.
Simon & Garfunkel - Sound Of Silence
Simon & Garfunkel - Sound Of Silence
One thing for sure.....when the smoke clears - that governor is gonna have an entire state of workers who will forever make an effort to throw wrenches in the cogs....he and everyone else will suffer from it until he's out of office.
I do hope the issues will be addressed in all the other states - but in the fashion of a "bull in a china shop" method as he's employed.........
J.This is happening across all 50 States. Did you see your news in CA today? Major layoffs in the Public sector in your State.
...because of CA budget crises.
johnaustin123: J.
This is happening across all 50 States. Did you see your news in CA today? Major layoffs in the Public sector in your State.
...because of CA budget crises.
This is happening across all 50 States. Did you see your news in CA today? Major layoffs in the Public sector in your State.
...because of CA budget crises.
Yes, I heard from a CHP officer today that his lifetime pension was being reduced to only 60% instead of 90% ( that's 90% of his salary and overtime for life !! )
He said he's quitting his job over the issue ......
jvaski: One thing for sure.....when the smoke clears - that governor is gonna have an entire state of workers who will forever make an effort to throw wrenches in the cogs....he and everyone else will suffer from it until he's out of office.
I do hope the issues will be addressed in all the other states - but in the fashion of a "bull in a china shop" method as he's employed.........
I do hope the issues will be addressed in all the other states - but in the fashion of a "bull in a china shop" method as he's employed.........
To me, Unions have morphed into nothing more than another Special Interest Group. they've led to the corruption of our political system just like other lobbiest do. President Obama got elected in part thanks to his catering to the Unions.
Once, long ago, Unions actually meant something and did some good, some still do but the majority are all about getting more money & benefits for their members with little regard for the impact. Perhaps this more than anything else explains the significant decline in union membership over the past 40 years.
jvaski: Yes, I heard from a CHP officer today that his lifetime pension was being reduced to only 60% instead of 90% ( that's 90% of his salary and overtime for life !! )
He said he's quitting his job over the issue ......
He said he's quitting his job over the issue ......
John & Ponch are really going to be disappointed...
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