MerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia11,403 posts
jac379: I don't have a problem with marujuana, per se, but I do have a problem with the lies that substance misusers are maybe inclined to tell in order to hide their usage.
By substance misuser, I mean someone who uses psychoactive substances in an unhealthy self-, or other destructive way.
I've been caught out that way before. I thought my daughter's father was a casual pot smoker, but he lied and covered up all the other pies he had his fingers in.
I came awfully close to homelessness, went hungry for years (I took on his debts in order to get him to leave), but most of all he betrayed our daughter and broke her heart.
I'd be wary because of that, not because I think an ocassional reefer is the work of the devil, or anything.
I do have a problem with any illegal substance... I have seen what the effects can do...but mostly, I have a problem with those who take up smoking, it rattles their brain and then for years to come, someone else has to look after them... that I really have a problem with...
I have a problem with anything that can go against you in a yearly police check.. I cannot see how being umemployed can justify an ego. and that is the ultimate result of smoking and getting caught... It goes on your record and shows up on a police check and impairs your ability to work.... How can this be a good thing.. ffs Def tho...JMO and I am obviously on the outer with this...
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
Merriweather: I do have a problem with any illegal substance... I have seen what the effects can do...but mostly, I have a problem with those who take up smoking, it rattles their brain and then for years to come, someone else has to look after them... that I really have a problem with...
I have a problem with anything that can go against you in a yearly police check.. I cannot see how being umemployed can justify an ego. and that is the ultimate result of smoking and getting caught... It goes on your record and shows up on a police check and impairs your ability to work.... How can this be a good thing.. ffs Def tho...JMO and I am obviously on the outer with this...
Well, each of us weighs up the pros and cons from our own experience and each of us if perfectly entitled to make a decision for ourselves.
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
bodleing: And I suspect both are blissfully unaware of their 'faux pas'
No, Dreamy got it because straight underneath she wrote, Oh, never mind...
Boom must have gone offline, or on another thread because otherwise she would have been piddling herself laughing. Should we tell her where the £ key is?
boomboom_uk: I have smoked "pot" for the past 32 yrs almost daily..I can honestly say not once in my life has anyone(not even the police) ever noticed if Ive been under the influence..I raised two lovely kids on my own..I studied for 4 yrs and gained a degree in social work..I worked in lots of care practices over the years (never under the influence)..my home is always immaculate ...it has never caused me or anyone one I know to fight or hallucinate ..ever.. I gave up pot on the 1st of january this year the reason being I had become housebound and was having difficulty buying it..but I have had no withdrawals at all ...do you think I could have managed the same if it had been alcohol..no chance...
GotTrance: Casual marijuana use is harmless. So why not date a casual user?
NO, I will not date anyone who smokes anything be it pot or cigarettes or cigars or drinks any alcohol. Certain substances affect MY health so I stay away from people who use them even if it is for medicinal use.
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
Merriweather: Thank you Jac
However, my question was...
If you do something that is illegal, and it could ultimately impair you to gain employment. ... Why, ?? What sense does that make???Unless, of course, you never intend to get a job in the first place ???? or the jobs that you do get dont require police checks.
Or of course, if its learned behaviour from your family..and you grow up thinking its OK.
I am at loss with the logic, but having said that... I have friends who do smoke pot and I luv them dearly.. but as a discussion,, this is my view.
Is this a general question that was sparked off by my post, or are you asking me in particular?
I'm a little confused, Merri. (I'm easily confused )
scorpioausperth, Western Australia Australia171 posts
GotTrance: Casual marijuana use is harmless. So why not date a casual user?
i used to smoke for 9 years so i know how it affected me so no..its not how i see my future- i used to do it with my best friends who were a couple- she could go without and it wouldnt phase her- but he (like me) found it made us frustrated, irritible and really hard to sleep without it- mine eventuated into panic attacks and anxiety so i take umbrance to the ops statement that its harmless- he mustnt have addictive traits..
MerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia11,403 posts
jac379: Is this a general question that was sparked off by my post, or are you asking me in particular?
I'm a little confused, Merri. (I'm easily confused )
Well, Jac, it was a reply to your post...
"Well, each of us weighs up the pros and cons from our own experience"
Just wondering where the pros come in...
but hey, its late, and I need to seek nod-land in a moment. And I really dont mind if you reply or no... or anyone else for that matter.
Unfortunately, I deal with people with rattled brains on a daily basis, and I truly wonder sometimes when I look into these scared, sad and lonely faces .who's babies where they, were they cared for, whatever went wrong.? but one thing I do know.. for sure.. that generally there is an illegal substance involved in the demise.. and I suspect that if they could turn back the years they would.. to a time when things were better ... and I strongly suspect that time involved no illegal drugs..
moodybluesCAPE TOWN, Western Cape South Africa210 posts
scorpioaus: i used to smoke for 9 years so i know how it affected me so no..its not how i see my future- i used to do it with my best friends who were a couple- she could go without and it wouldnt phase her- but he (like me) found it made us frustrated, irritible and really hard to sleep without it- mine eventuated into panic attacks and anxiety so i take umbrance to the ops statement that its harmless- he mustnt have addictive traits..
I disagree. I've smoked most of my life - smoke for 6 months, quit for 4 months, smoke for 2 months, quit for one month. When it stops giving me the relaxation that I smoke it for, then I stop for a few months. I find it keeps my temper in check.
moodybluesCAPE TOWN, Western Cape South Africa210 posts
GotTrance: Since alcohol is legal it does not have the stigma attached to it like pot does. I do not think there is truth to the rumor. 99% of the people that are dead set against pot have never even tried it. Yet they are the first to condemn it as addictive and dangerous.
Agreed. My sister, who HAS to have her few glasses of wine every night, is always horrified by my smoking. Yet I am the one who can still cook and take care of kids and do shopping and whatever else is required, while she's asleep from the wine. Weird.
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
Merriweather: Well, Jac, it was a reply to your post...
"Well, each of us weighs up the pros and cons from our own experience"
Just wondering where the pros come in...
but hey, its late, and I need to seek nod-land in a moment. And I really dont mind if you reply or no... or anyone else for that matter.
Unfortunately, I deal with people with rattled brains on a daily basis, and I truly wonder sometimes when I look into these scared, sad and lonely faces .who's babies where they, were they cared for, whatever went wrong.? but one thing I do know.. for sure.. that generally there is an illegal substance involved in the demise.. and I suspect that if they could turn back the years they would.. to a time when things were better ... and I strongly suspect that time involved no illegal drugs..
night night.
Ok. I'll throw a few things into the pot, so to speak.
1. From my understanding and experience, people tend to first smoke pot when they are young. How many youngsters rationally think through the pros and cons of a recreational substance? Its generally not considered a major life choice, any more than your first sip of beer, or learning to drive which has perhaps more potentional to cause harm than the ocassional toke on a reefer at a party.
2. Psychoactive substances such as alcohol have the potential to cause maybe far more harm if misused than pot, but we still do it. There is an issue that you pointed out relating to the illegality of pot - what is the basis for one being legal and the other not? I don't think its to do with the substance, so much as the circumstances of history. There are "acceptable risks" within cultures that maybe not based on rational thought.
3. As with most things that are illegal, or viewed as "naughty", maybe people don't assume they will get caught, whether that's pot, affairs, fraud, tax evasion, whatever. Some like yourself will assess that the risk is too high, others will see negligible risk.
You ask, "what are the pros?".
1. Pot is a way of socialising and relating to other people in the same way that alcohol is. However, its generally unlikely that people under the influence cause as much damage to themselves, or others under the influence of pot, as they are alcohol, simply because of the nature of its psychoactive effects. Whilst I recognise that not all people are mellow stoners, or aggressive drunks, there is this element to both these substances.
2. The psychoactive element particular to pot tends to promote creativity, whether that be artistic, or simply thought processes.
3. Its been cited as a good pain relief and healer. The problem with these claims is that illegality means that standard research methods are not used and information tends to be biased hearsay. Its a shame.
4. You mention people with health issues in your comment. I think psychoactive substance misuse is sometimes related to escapism. If someone has had a painful childhood, or other experiences, any substance legal, or otherwise, might be self-medication. It's then very difficult to assess if an individual's lack of health is to do with their history, possible genetic elements, psychoactive substance misuse, or an intereaction of two, or more factors. You mention turning back the clock to times when things were better and you ask who's babies they were...for some, there were no better times from when they were babies.
I think many people self-medicate with psychoactive substances. Have you never felt too tired to do something and had a cup of tea, or coffee to kick-start yourself? Have you never come home from a bad day at work and poured yourself a glass of wine, or rung a friend to go out for a drink?
For some the illegality is not the issue, its the effect.
MerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia11,403 posts
jac379: Ok. I'll throw a few things into the pot, so to speak.
1. From my understanding and experience, people tend to first smoke pot when they are young. How many youngsters rationally think through the pros and cons of a recreational substance? Its generally not considered a major life choice, any more than your first sip of beer, or learning to drive which has perhaps more potentional to cause harm than the ocassional toke on a reefer at a party.
2. Psychoactive substances such as alcohol have the potential to cause maybe far more harm if misused than pot, but we still do it. There is an issue that you pointed out relating to the illegality of pot - what is the basis for one being legal and the other not? I don't think its to do with the substance, so much as the circumstances of history. There are "acceptable risks" within cultures that maybe not based on rational thought.
3. As with most things that are illegal, or viewed as "naughty", maybe people don't assume they will get caught, whether that's pot, affairs, fraud, tax evasion, whatever. Some like yourself will assess that the risk is too high, others will see negligible risk.
You ask, "what are the pros?".
1. Pot is a way of socialising and relating to other people in the same way that alcohol is. However, its generally unlikely that people under the influence cause as much damage to themselves, or others under the influence of pot, as they are alcohol, simply because of the nature of its psychoactive effects. Whilst I recognise that not all people are mellow stoners, or aggressive drunks, there is this element to both these substances.
2. The psychoactive element particular to pot tends to promote creativity, whether that be artistic, or simply thought processes.
3. Its been cited as a good pain relief and healer. The problem with these claims is that illegality means that standard research methods are not used and information tends to be biased hearsay. Its a shame.
4. You mention people with health issues in your comment. I think psychoactive substance misuse is sometimes related to escapism. If someone has had a painful childhood, or other experiences, any substance legal, or otherwise, might be self-medication. It's then very difficult to assess if an individual's lack of health is to do with their history, possible genetic elements, psychoactive substance misuse, or an intereaction of two, or more factors. You mention turning back the clock to times when things were better and you ask who's babies they were...for some, there were no better times from when they were babies.
I think many people self-medicate with psychoactive substances. Have you never felt too tired to do something and had a cup of tea, or coffee to kick-start yourself? Have you never come home from a bad day at work and poured yourself a glass of wine, or rung a friend to go out for a drink?
For some the illegality is not the issue, its the effect.
And some just really like it.
Hi ah Jac
Well, that was a big read for first thing in the morning for me lol
I am sitting here thinking gosh, you do certainly see things very different to me... but hey, thats OK too. I guess I live a very structured life.. and I am well grounded in my priorities ... I agree with " for some there were no better times from when they were babies" .. as for being artistic, or just cos you ' really like it" I just could not go down that road... Re the medication part... No, I never would think along those lines... as for parties.. no I have never gone down that road either.
I am sitting here thinking.. Jeez Louise.. guess my lifestyle here is very different... somehow I reckon I took on a lifestyle that just didn't cater for self indulgence unless there was a work element attached...and getting sick was and is a definite no no.
Could have fooled me ... the way we still searching for love and falling in and falling out on the forums ... and the tantrums and the attention seeking etc... Ahhhhhh! And the laughs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Smoking a little, does not make you a druggie, its those misconceptions that are B/S. Put me in a car with a pot smoker, anyday, before a drunk. It should be like everything else, be 21 to buy it, then tax it. It, might actually loosen up some of you uptight people. Ah, did I say that...
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That's what I was thinking.