Osama bin Laden was EXECUTE by US forces illegally (530)
Sparky55: Damn it, those pharmacy companies and their conspiracy to keep us without meds. All they do is listen to their rock & roll 8 track tapes..
SummerUK: And arseholes too
I didn't realize that there were varieties-ty you never stop learning 
drbombay: I'm going to be polite & enlighten you-for 1 thing it has been unconventional type warfare whereas you do not know per se who your enemy is and most important these fanatics or extremists been known for wiring themselves with explosives and until you ever faced that similar situation of the unknown-do not be so quick to judge...
I'm not judging the gravity of the situation nor am I diminishing the deeds of US forces, but does that really mean an individual's rights can be waived? Don't forget however that if an individual's rights can be waived for the government's sheer will other individuals rights' can be waived as well, that sets a terrible precedent.
artienp: I'm not judging the gravity of the situation nor am I diminishing the deeds of US forces, but does that really mean an individual's rights can be waived? Don't forget however that if an individual's rights can be waived for the government's sheer will other individuals rights' can be waived as well, that sets a terrible precedent.
When you decide that murdering women and children is your prerogative, your rights and civil liberties become totally redundant.artienp: I'm not judging the gravity of the situation nor am I diminishing the deeds of US forces, but does that really mean an individual's rights can be waived? Don't forget however that if an individual's rights can be waived for the government's sheer will other individuals rights' can be waived as well, that sets a terrible precedent.
R E A D M Y P O S T A G A I N-Until your in that situation or filling shoes so to speak then & only then you can talk...artienp: I'm not judging the gravity of the situation nor am I diminishing the deeds of US forces, but does that really mean an individual's rights can be waived? Don't forget however that if an individual's rights can be waived for the government's sheer will other individuals rights' can be waived as well, that sets a terrible precedent.
Hope you dont speak for most brazilians, because if thats how you all feel, dont come here, we dont need people who have to wait for the law to do the right thing, when common sense would be to shoot first ask questions later... maybe thats an american thing, but when its common sense I like our way better then people who sound like the french.
Shydeviant: When you decide that murdering women and children is your prerogative, your rights and civil liberties become totally redundant.
By your logic Ted Bundy and Richard Ramirez should have been executed straightforward without any kind of trial. Oh, if they'll be doing that to seriall killers they should do that to regular killers as well, right? And since there's no trial we can't even be sure which ones are really guilty, but whatever right?
yea i bet you wish you got to make our law.... but you dont we do
intp420: Hope you dont speak for most brazilians, because if thats how you all feel, dont come here, we dont need people who have to wait for the law to do the right thing, when common sense would be to shoot first ask questions later... maybe thats an american thing, but when its common sense I like our way better then people who sound like the french.
You're right, that's gotta be an American thing.
artienp: The world isn't US property you know, he committed an act against the American people, he was however captured in Pakistan, thats foreign soil to you guys, the world deserved to witness Bin Laden's trial.
Who really knows what happened during that raid? Given a choice, I don't think OBL would have simply allowed himself to be subjected to a trial by the US or any other authority. Besides, when we were on that foreign soil the owners knew we were there and what we were doing. I hardly think that equates to the US thinking the world is our property.
Mystyr: I hear he wasn't armed and wasn't resisting
no day in court for that guy
stop talking rubbishno day in court for that guy
sorry... we do what we want cause we know the the court system.
and all your complaining is just making you look stupid, knowone really care about your sqeeking and squaking.... duuuuu i want terrorists to have right duuuuurrrr
and all your complaining is just making you look stupid, knowone really care about your sqeeking and squaking.... duuuuu i want terrorists to have right duuuuurrrr
Sparky55: Who really knows what happened during that raid? Given a choice, I don't think OBL would have simply allowed himself to be subjected to a trial by the US or any other authority. Besides, when we were on that foreign soil the owners knew we were there and what we were doing. I hardly think that equates to the US thinking the world is our property.
I'm not implying most Americans are arrogant to the point of firmly believing that and I apologize if it seemed that way. But the way he said it, it seemed the he really thought US law reigns supreme over the whole world regardless of where it is.
intp420: sorry... we do what we want cause we know the the court system.
and all your complaining is just making you look stupid, knowone really care about your sqeeking and squaking.... duuuuu i want terrorists to have right duuuuurrrr
and all your complaining is just making you look stupid, knowone really care about your sqeeking and squaking.... duuuuu i want terrorists to have right duuuuurrrr
If I'm just squaking and making a fool of myself then the joke is on you for having spent so much time arguing my stupidity.
Mystyr: I hear he wasn't armed and wasn't resisting
no day in court for that guy
he killed thousands of people who were unarmed too, so why are u making all this fussno day in court for that guy
na no waste of time, i like seeing how idiotic people can be. i had fun. so no you werent a complete waste of time, but yea alittle. your still and idiot if you defend him, and im still american thats #1 in the world. and now we see why your like # Damn i dont even know how far you are from the bottom hummmmm.
im going to find some real arguments, this one is pretty pathedic
later
im going to find some real arguments, this one is pretty pathedic
later
intp420: na no waste of time, i like seeing how idiotic people can be. i had fun. so no you werent a complete waste of time, but yea alittle. your still and idiot if you defend him, and im still american thats #1 in the world. and now we see why your like # Damn i dont even know how far you are from the bottom hummmmm.
im going to find some real arguments, this one is pretty pathedic
later
im going to find some real arguments, this one is pretty pathedic
later
Wow you made some impressive points in your last few posts. Are you a debate team champion or something like that? I'm really amazed!
artienp: It appears that Bin Laden wasn't armed indeed and even so good a bullet in his head...I'm not saying the guy was a saint nor am I saying he was right in any of his deeds, but a fair trial is everyone's right even if it's the world's most wanted terrorist the person we're talking about, if the US or any country for that matter starts executing people at their sheer will the world will sucumb to anarchy.
Did he have a right to fly two planes within another country's air space and did he have a right to kill his own people who piloted those planes.
When they find some one guilty and might I mention right after 9/11 he went on the air waves to say he was resposible and took credit and great pride in how well his deed was executed as far as saying [while laughing] he did not expect the towers to fall. for this horrendous act. He in other words plead guilty from a secretve place on worldwide TV. Cut to the chase... That calls for immediate hanging or death. When Saddamm Hussien went to court, was found guilty, he was hung immediately,outside the court? What is your point?
Where have you been? middle east countries have been mowing their own citizens down for no reason.
Don't worry about other countries as they do a good job killing there own citizens for no reason such as Eygypt and Iraq and now Syria. "Start exucuting at their sheer will"? That's been going on for years. I do n't celebrate his death but one less killing monster is gone. That is progress to stop "sheer will" killing.
artienp: I'm not implying most Americans are arrogant to the point of firmly believing that and I apologize if it seemed that way. But the way he said it, it seemed the he really thought US law reigns supreme over the whole world regardless of where it is.
No worries, this is a volatile subject. OBL threatened, attacked and taunted America for years. He admitted everything in is tapes sent out with the intent of scaring the public. A trial in his case would have been a pointless circus in some people's minds, mine included.
Not that I would advocate revenge killing, I wouldn't. It just seems to me that there are too many operating without facts that are too ready to condemn America or those who conducted this raid as murderers. Some seem ready to paint OBL as a victim of an assination squad vice a capture/kill unit. This pretty much points to calling those folks who conducted the raid and the majority of the Americans that support the raid blood thirsty and vengeful. I honestly don't think this is the case and given the history of OBL, I would always give the benefit of any doubt to those who conducted the raid.
Having said all that. I for one and happy with the outcome. Not because we killed OBL but because we got in and out without losing another American to that animal's whims.
Never said serial killers should be put to death with no trial. But if you are trying to suggest the possibility that Osama bin laden could in fact be not guilty of the crimes against humanity that he has already confessed to and rejoiced, you are being somewhat naive.
hollyberries: Did he have a right to fly two planes within another country's air space and did he have a right to kill his own people who piloted those planes.
When they find some one guilty and might I mention right after 9/11 he went on the air waves to say he was resposible and took credit and great pride in how well his deed was executed as far as saying [while laughing] he did not expect the towers to fall. for this horrendous act. He in other words plead guilty from a secretve place on worldwide TV. Cut to the chase... That calls for immediate hanging or death. When Saddamm Hussien went to court, was found guilty, he was hung immediately,outside the court? What is your point?
Where have you been? middle east countries have been mowing their own citizens down for no reason.
Don't worry about other countries as they do a good job killing there own citizens for no reason such as Eygypt and Iraq and now Syria. "Start exucuting at their sheer will"? That's been going on for years. I do n't celebrate his death but one less killing monster is gone. That is progress to stop "sheer will" killing.
When they find some one guilty and might I mention right after 9/11 he went on the air waves to say he was resposible and took credit and great pride in how well his deed was executed as far as saying [while laughing] he did not expect the towers to fall. for this horrendous act. He in other words plead guilty from a secretve place on worldwide TV. Cut to the chase... That calls for immediate hanging or death. When Saddamm Hussien went to court, was found guilty, he was hung immediately,outside the court? What is your point?
Where have you been? middle east countries have been mowing their own citizens down for no reason.
Don't worry about other countries as they do a good job killing there own citizens for no reason such as Eygypt and Iraq and now Syria. "Start exucuting at their sheer will"? That's been going on for years. I do n't celebrate his death but one less killing monster is gone. That is progress to stop "sheer will" killing.
Saddam was executed quickly after his trial, yet he had a trial, no bad precedent was set there it was all "by the book". Osama's confession doesn't equal a conviction, he should have a trial. You say countries in the middle east have been massacring their own citizens like that's no big deal, now I ask you, is that the example you think a great democracy like the USA should follow?
So the guy deserved to die. He got all that he deserved. I could care less if he was armed or not. He didnt deserve a fair trial, because the whole world knew he was guilty. And why put people through the farce of a trial, for someone who didnt deserve the basic human rights of a trial after all the murders he committed.
Sparky55: No worries, this is a volatile subject. OBL threatened, attacked and taunted America for years. He admitted everything in is tapes sent out with the intent of scaring the public. A trial in his case would have been a pointless circus in some people's minds, mine included.
Not that I would advocate revenge killing, I wouldn't. It just seems to me that there are too many operating without facts that are too ready to condemn America or those who conducted this raid as murderers. Some seem ready to paint OBL as a victim of an assination squad vice a capture/kill unit. This pretty much points to calling those folks who conducted the raid and the majority of the Americans that support the raid blood thirsty and vengeful. I honestly don't think this is the case and given the history of OBL, I would always give the benefit of any doubt to those who conducted the raid.
Having said all that. I for one and happy with the outcome. Not because we killed OBL but because we got in and out without losing another American to that animal's whims.
Not that I would advocate revenge killing, I wouldn't. It just seems to me that there are too many operating without facts that are too ready to condemn America or those who conducted this raid as murderers. Some seem ready to paint OBL as a victim of an assination squad vice a capture/kill unit. This pretty much points to calling those folks who conducted the raid and the majority of the Americans that support the raid blood thirsty and vengeful. I honestly don't think this is the case and given the history of OBL, I would always give the benefit of any doubt to those who conducted the raid.
Having said all that. I for one and happy with the outcome. Not because we killed OBL but because we got in and out without losing another American to that animal's whims.
I do agree with you that OBL's trial would be a great circus, no doubt about it, but it would bring legitimacy to whatever came from it (such as an execution), not only would that uphold the democratic values the USA has but it would also prevent anyone from saying "oh, that was unfair" everyone would just respond "No, that was fair, he was found guilty and executing according to the LAW, end of story.".
The Seals knew they had Osama and in the chaos of a night gun fight he got blasted ......Oh well......not as if he had shown any mercy to the thousands he killed.
"mission accomplished"
Yea, would have been nice to see him taken alive - but then he would have been even more of a martyr. His death shouldn't be celebrated with joy - but rather relief and quiet satisfaction.
"mission accomplished"
Yea, would have been nice to see him taken alive - but then he would have been even more of a martyr. His death shouldn't be celebrated with joy - but rather relief and quiet satisfaction.
Shydeviant: Never said serial killers should be put to death with no trial. But if you are trying to suggest the possibility that Osama bin laden could in fact be not guilty of the crimes against humanity that he has already confessed to and rejoiced, you are being somewhat naive.
I don't believe he was innocent and all the evidence against him would be brought to trial and he would most likely have gotten executed anyways, the difference is that a trial would bring legitimacy to the whole execution thing and not set bad precedents.
mypurtyeyes: So the guy deserved to die. He got all that he deserved. I could care less if he was armed or not. He didnt deserve a fair trial, because the whole world knew he was guilty. And why put people through the farce of a trial, for someone who didnt deserve the basic human rights of a trial after all the murders he committed.
Because no fair and democratic State can't lower itself to the level of a ruthless terrorist.
mypurtyeyes: So the guy deserved to die. He got all that he deserved. I could care less if he was armed or not. He didnt deserve a fair trial, because the whole world knew he was guilty. And why put people through the farce of a trial, for someone who didnt deserve the basic human rights of a trial after all the murders he committed.
no regrets they treated him with his own medicinematchbox: no regrets they treated him with his own medicine
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