Osama bin Laden was EXECUTE by US forces illegally (530)
artienp: Here's another explanation
Once upon the time there were two countries called USA and USSR, who decided to use Afghanistan as a freaking chess border after all who gives a damn it some brown people die, right? Then in an effort to win this battle at all costs (like always, because victory must come at ALL costs, right?) the US government gave weaponry and training to Afghans who wanted the soviets out, among them Bin Laden and his fellas...I'm just saying, things are no so cut and dry as you're trying to make them seem.
Once upon the time there were two countries called USA and USSR, who decided to use Afghanistan as a freaking chess border after all who gives a damn it some brown people die, right? Then in an effort to win this battle at all costs (like always, because victory must come at ALL costs, right?) the US government gave weaponry and training to Afghans who wanted the soviets out, among them Bin Laden and his fellas...I'm just saying, things are no so cut and dry as you're trying to make them seem.
See, that's why we need to keep our enemies close and our friends closer.
I didn't type that incorrectly. That's how I feel about friends.
Are you my friend?
JAN_is: It tries hard to be political though and I read the editorials. Poor at best.
Are you a Sun reader then?
Are you a Sun reader then?
Telegraph or for ease the Express.....You should have known
Kaybee50: But Freddy, that would be considered an offense to the other nationalities that helped build the railroads. C'mon man!
Okay...every 3rd one yellow.
how many people in the twin towers got a fair trial.......all's fair in love + war...
Mystyr: I hear he wasn't armed and wasn't resisting no day in court for that guy
Neither were the people in the Twin Towers, the Pentagon and the pleanes he ordered used. I may have shot the SOB piece of garbage myself. But, I would have started at his feet and worked my way up.
patmac: Telegraph or for ease the Express.....You should have known
Telegraph I can live with, but the Express?
Kaybee50: How many family members, friends, did you lose on 9/11? Or the other Obama-led and funded attacks? Please no rhetoric...just a number is all I am asking for.
]There was a Brazilian man called Jean Charles de Menezes gunned down by the Scotland yard (they thought he was a terrorist...you know cuz he wasn't blue eyed or anything)...so I guess I can say my country has lost at least one life because of terror (or because of the incompetence of the Scotland Yard, lets stick to the first) , still I don't know what personal involvement with the issue has to do with the US policy being write or wrong.
JAN_is: Telegraph I can live with, but the Express?
Best Chip paper in town.....It could have been worse I really like the WAR CRY...
artienp: ]
There was a Brazilian man called Jean Charles de Menezes gunned down by the Scotland yard (they thought he was a terrorist...you know cuz he wasn't blue eyed or anything)...so I guess I can say my country has lost at least one life because of terror (or because of the incompetence of the Scotland Yard, lets stick to the first) , still I don't know what personal involvement with the issue has to do with the US policy being write or wrong.
If your child were in one of the planes that crashed into a tower...There was a Brazilian man called Jean Charles de Menezes gunned down by the Scotland yard (they thought he was a terrorist...you know cuz he wasn't blue eyed or anything)...so I guess I can say my country has lost at least one life because of terror (or because of the incompetence of the Scotland Yard, lets stick to the first) , still I don't know what personal involvement with the issue has to do with the US policy being write or wrong.
Imagine one of your very own children, your own flesh and blood, having that as his/her last moment.
And if you had the power to take action that MIGHT HAVE BEEN prevented this happening...
Would you take that action?
In other words, taking preventive action from this occuring...and it very well may occur unless these criminals aren't eliminated.
There is always innocent causualtys in any war the brazilian man shot by scotland yard was one of many (unfortunatly) but it is a war + if osama got the chance to do to obama what happended to him what do you think he would of done capture him alive and put him on trail in a court of law or cut of his head live on the internet in some rat infested cell like he did to so many others ???
Kaybee50: If your child were in one of the planes that crashed into a tower...
Imagine one of your very own children, your own flesh and blood, having that as his/her last moment.
And if you had the power to take action that MIGHT HAVE BEEN prevented this happening...
Would you take that action?
In other words, taking preventive action from this occuring...and it very well may occur unless these criminals aren't eliminated.
Imagine one of your very own children, your own flesh and blood, having that as his/her last moment.
And if you had the power to take action that MIGHT HAVE BEEN prevented this happening...
Would you take that action?
In other words, taking preventive action from this occuring...and it very well may occur unless these criminals aren't eliminated.
I believe you're missing my point, I never said the victims' families didn't suffer or that they wouldn't do anything. I know that if a loved one of mine was killed by someone I'd try to get my hands on a gun asap and do something about it, but I'd be doing that passionately all in all I'd be murdering someone, what I'm saying is that I'm simpathy for the families of all the victims of 911 (and all other terrorism related tragedies for that matter) but that doesn't excuse a wrong action done by a government (which unlike victims isn't supposed to function in a passionate way).
this is a war not a game + sometimes people get hurt in a war even osama ..big deal get over it..hes gone and not a minute 2 soon ...
artienp: I believe you're missing my point, I never said the victims' families didn't suffer or that they wouldn't do anything. I know that if a loved one of mine was killed by someone I'd try to get my hands on a gun asap and do something about it, but I'd be doing that passionately all in all I'd be murdering someone, what I'm saying is that I'm simpathy for the families of all the victims of 911 (and all other terrorism related tragedies for that matter) but that doesn't excuse a wrong action done by a government (which unlike victims isn't supposed to function in a passionate way).
I'm not missing your point but he was a wanted criminal like any other and instead of using interpol for reasons of breaching I believe they used our most qualified(still is a police action so to speak) in a very volatile country. My point is this, you & I were not there but I have experienced similar type situations & until your in one of those you or I cannot Monday morning quarterback(pass judgement)..Good day to you..Can you even prove he was executed. There is no body, there are no pictures. There is no real proof that he is even dead. Do you always believe what the U. S. military tells you. If you do, you are a fool. Ask them for one ounce of real proof. I will bet that they cannot give it to you.
Mitsal 1968.
Mitsal 1968.
mitsal1968: Can you even prove he was executed. There is no body, there are no pictures. There is no real proof that he is even dead. Do you always believe what the U. S. military tells you. If you do, you are a fool. Ask them for one ounce of real proof. I will bet that they cannot give it to you.
Mitsal 1968.
Mitsal 1968.
I agree, but that's a whole different topic.
mitsal1968: Can you even prove he was executed. There is no body, there are no pictures. There is no real proof that he is even dead. Do you always believe what the U. S. military tells you. If you do, you are a fool. Ask them for one ounce of real proof. I will bet that they cannot give it to you.
Mitsal 1968.
Mitsal 1968.
Who cares!!!!hes gone 4 good + thats all that matters........
funboy3: Who cares!!!!hes gone 4 good + thats all that matters........
You realize that if shooting first and asking questions later becomes ok things like the bogside massacre will take place again and authorities will simply not be held accountable for anything they do, right?
As i said theres always innocent casualtys in war (unfortunatly) but treat others as they would treat u + belive me if osama got the chance 2 do 2 obama what was done 2 him do u think he would?? so as i said u get what u give + what goes around comes around..if we could all learn 2 live in peace the world would be a better place , but as long as you have peole like osama who are full of hatred + just want 2 kill + maim as many inocent people as they can there will never be peace..just death on both sides...
How can you say America executed the man he brought his war to us we just played the hand he dealt us, would he give an unarmed american a fair trial or a bullet such as he got. Sometimes you are forced to play by your opponents rules they have set forth.
funboy3: As i said theres always innocent casualtys in war (unfortunatly) but treat others as they would treat u + belive me if osama got the chance 2 do 2 obama what was done 2 him do u think he would?? so as i said u get what u give + what goes around comes around..if we could all learn 2 live in peace the world would be a better place , but as long as you have peole like osama who are full of hatred + just want 2 kill + maim as many inocent people as they can there will never be peace..just death on both sides...
I completely agree with you that given the chance Osama would have killed Obama in a split second, but just because Osama would do that Obama was supposed to do the same thing? I mean, Osama was a freakin' terrorist and Obama is the president of a democracy , are you telling me they're supposed to act the same way?
artienp: I don't think I was being silly, I just think US should be grateful to the Irish while you don't think so because the US gave them the right of immigration. That's a matter of opinion I guess.
But what you don't get(and what was essentially in the speech Conrad posted here) is we're the same people. My great-grandmother lost her eldest daughter-age 18, her own life shortly thereafter in childbirth, and a son after that, leaving my greatgrandfather with 3 losses in 3 yrs., and 8 children left to support... all b/c they moved to Washington state in support of the railroads. My great-grandparents were born in America - but a couple of generations previous were from Ireland & Wales, some later drawing pensions for fighting in the war of 1812. My g-grandparents' family/generation were Irish/Scots/Welsh farmers, then sold everything, to move & work for the railroads... yet they were Americans.
artienp: It appears that Bin Laden wasn't armed indeed and even so good a bullet in his head...I'm not saying the guy was a saint nor am I saying he was right in any of his deeds, but a fair trial is everyone's right even if it's the world's most wanted terrorist the person we're talking about, if the US or any country for that matter starts executing people at their sheer will the world will sucumb to anarchy.
He blew up the world trade center and murdered unarmed civilians[ILLEGALLY} and we killed him the same way{ILLEGALLY} . No shame in justice. May he find his virgins in hell 
I believe you're missing my point, I never said the victims' families didn't suffer or that they wouldn't do anything. I know that if a loved one of mine was killed by someone I'd try to get my hands on a gun asap and do something about it, but I'd be doing that passionately all in all I'd be murdering someone, what I'm saying is that I'm simpathy for the families of all the victims of 911 (and all other terrorism related tragedies for that matter) but that doesn't excuse a wrong action done by a government (which unlike victims isn't supposed to function in a passionate way).[/quote} Not 100% sure you got my meaning. So I'll shorten how I tried to explain my view...
Taking a preemptive action to assure further lives are not lost. Knowing that perhaps your child, friend, or relative will be killed in a future terrorist attack, would you take measures TODAY to try to eliminate that action?
Taking a preemptive action to assure further lives are not lost. Knowing that perhaps your child, friend, or relative will be killed in a future terrorist attack, would you take measures TODAY to try to eliminate that action?
mitsal1968: Can you even prove he was executed. There is no body, there are no pictures. There is no real proof that he is even dead. Do you always believe what the U. S. military tells you. If you do, you are a fool. Ask them for one ounce of real proof. I will bet that they cannot give it to you.
Mitsal 1968.
Better yet, prove to me that he's alive.Mitsal 1968.
artienp: Those lives would be equally safe were he locked inside some far away prison somewhere waiting for trial, don't you think so?
No.Kaybee50: He was guilty, by his own admission. Taking him prisoner would've most certainly resulted in innocent people being taken hostages and systemically killed in an effort to obtain his release.
One can also claim that killing him will probably trigger terrorist attacks as a pay pack from his followers. Isn't that right?
Certainly not, how many innocent people would they take hostage + hack the heads of live on the internet calling 4 the release of that mass murder .......
artienp: One can also claim that killing him will probably trigger terrorist attacks as a pay pack from his followers. Isn't that right?
Of course. The terrorists have not engaged in your typical "engagement of war techniques", have they. They set the stage, the set the rules, they have been told what will happen. If they chose to play, they have chosen the "rules" that they themselves have set, which are...no rules.If you kill my innocent friends, you will be killed. It is not pretty, tidy, or fair, is it. It is a pity the terrorists have made this choice.More Threads
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Question where????
Who could or would be the Jury. They and there families would automatically be targets.
Also according to all the LAWS I know he has to be allowed a fair trial with unbiased Jurors otherwise he could walk.
Where do we find those folk???What country has the first claim on him for his crimes???
It would have taken years to get him to trial and how many would be killed in the interim.
Just a few thoughts that the folk who are saying try him have not fully addressed.
Probably in Obama's cabinet.