Osama bin Laden was EXECUTE by US forces illegally (530)
Kaybee50St. Louis, Missouri USA121 Threads 4 Polls 17,824 Postsartienp: You're wrong, I like the USA and btw I'm very fond of Switzerland as well but don't expect me to applaud the Swiss government if they ever start killing people at their sheer will (naah, Switzerland would never do that! )
...killing people at sheer will. So sad.
artienp: That's just stupid, those were US military forces, if he wasn't armed by then there was no way he could have scaped then managed to get a gun and then gone back to shoot everyone. He could have easily been taken into custody without any unnecessary violence.
Let's see, I read somewhere about these guys carrying bombs on themselves. War is war, don't try to put blame where it doesn't belong.
Brenno: Don't forget how many innnocent people are killed by America on a daily basis. If they didn't interfere so much with other country's business then maybe, just maybe we would eventually live in calmer safer world.
Ok...I vote that U.S. withdraw all of our military men and women, and State Department personnel back to our shores, and allow all of the innocent people of the world to survive on their own. Without our money, or aid, or exports, or inports, etc...If my history lessons are correct, the U.S. stayed out of WWII, even when there was undeniable reports of the atrocities that were occuring throughout Europe. "Isolationism" I believe it is called....because this was not "our" war. And to this day, there is still finger-pointing going on that if we had entered the war sooner, perhaps the 6 million and more deaths would have been much less.
Damned if you do, damned if you do.
But to preserve our Freedoms that have been had fought and hard won, it is our burden, as well as many other country's burden, to fight this Terrorist War that we did not invite upon ourselves. What will tell your children and their children if we do not take on this burden and responsibility?
vodla3: I heard J.W.Bush was declaring WAR on terror all over the World !
Bush became President in 2000!
Roughly 3.5 years after the Bin Laden Fatwa!
Conrad73: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html
Bush became President in 2000!
Roughly 3.5 years after the Bin Laden Fatwa!
Declared War On Terrorism after 9/11/2001!Bush became President in 2000!
Roughly 3.5 years after the Bin Laden Fatwa!
Buffy327: We know our history, and certainly don't need ur interpretation. BTW we fully acknowledge everyone that came to this country and their contribution, hell unless ur American Indian, we r all descendants from another country....Myself, Irish, English, and America Indian...A melting pot...
But my question to U is, "What is it that U think America owes U"?
But my question to U is, "What is it that U think America owes U"?
Since Saddam invaded Kuwait and the Saudi's screamed for help, the USA and the UK have spent Billions fighting Terrorism and the threats of so many folk. As well as this fact we have both been heavily targeted by all the various elements.
Many countries have taken part in various coalitions.
One constant has been the USA and the UK in all areas and the taxpayer has paid for it all. Over and above this we have lost thousands of young folk, killed fighting wars that we could so easily walk away from.
How many Kuwatis or Saudis are now screaming and ranting AGAINST the very folk who they begged for help.
I have never been thanked by anyone for my part in GW1. Not that I wanted to be I joined up so I did as I was asked.
But it is totally and utterly annoying to see the young folk of these countries railing against the folk who actually ensured their freedom.
Just a personal viewpoint folks not a theory or a quote
jac379: Do you think it was possible that he could have had a fair trial?
Sure, skip the trial and go right to sentencing. Oh wait, they did that
patmac: Since Saddam invaded Kuwait and the Saudi's screamed for help, the USA and the UK have spent Billions fighting Terrorism and the threats of so many folk. As well as this fact we have both been heavily targeted by all the various elements.
Many countries have taken part in various coalitions.
One constant has been the USA and the UK in all areas and the taxpayer has paid for it all. Over and above this we have lost thousands of young folk, killed fighting wars that we could so easily walk away from.
How many Kuwatis or Saudis are now screaming and ranting AGAINST the very folk who they begged for help.
I have never been thanked by anyone for my part in GW1. Not that I wanted to be I joined up so I did as I was asked.
But it is totally and utterly annoying to see the young folk of these countries railing against the folk who actually ensured their freedom.
Just a personal viewpoint folks not a theory or a quote
Many countries have taken part in various coalitions.
One constant has been the USA and the UK in all areas and the taxpayer has paid for it all. Over and above this we have lost thousands of young folk, killed fighting wars that we could so easily walk away from.
How many Kuwatis or Saudis are now screaming and ranting AGAINST the very folk who they begged for help.
I have never been thanked by anyone for my part in GW1. Not that I wanted to be I joined up so I did as I was asked.
But it is totally and utterly annoying to see the young folk of these countries railing against the folk who actually ensured their freedom.
Just a personal viewpoint folks not a theory or a quote
patmac: Since Saddam invaded Kuwait and the Saudi's screamed for help, the USA and the UK have spent Billions fighting Terrorism and the threats of so many folk. As well as this fact we have both been heavily targeted by all the various elements.
Many countries have taken part in various coalitions.
One constant has been the USA and the UK in all areas and the taxpayer has paid for it all. Over and above this we have lost thousands of young folk, killed fighting wars that we could so easily walk away from.
How many Kuwatis or Saudis are now screaming and ranting AGAINST the very folk who they begged for help.
I have never been thanked by anyone for my part in GW1. Not that I wanted to be I joined up so I did as I was asked.
But it is totally and utterly annoying to see the young folk of these countries railing against the folk who actually ensured their freedom.
Just a personal viewpoint folks not a theory or a quote
Many countries have taken part in various coalitions.
One constant has been the USA and the UK in all areas and the taxpayer has paid for it all. Over and above this we have lost thousands of young folk, killed fighting wars that we could so easily walk away from.
How many Kuwatis or Saudis are now screaming and ranting AGAINST the very folk who they begged for help.
I have never been thanked by anyone for my part in GW1. Not that I wanted to be I joined up so I did as I was asked.
But it is totally and utterly annoying to see the young folk of these countries railing against the folk who actually ensured their freedom.
Just a personal viewpoint folks not a theory or a quote
patmac: Since Saddam invaded Kuwait and the Saudi's screamed for help, the USA and the UK have spent Billions fighting Terrorism and the threats of so many folk. As well as this fact we have both been heavily targeted by all the various elements.
Many countries have taken part in various coalitions.
One constant has been the USA and the UK in all areas and the taxpayer has paid for it all. Over and above this we have lost thousands of young folk, killed fighting wars that we could so easily walk away from.
How many Kuwatis or Saudis are now screaming and ranting AGAINST the very folk who they begged for help.
I have never been thanked by anyone for my part in GW1. Not that I wanted to be I joined up so I did as I was asked.
But it is totally and utterly annoying to see the young folk of these countries railing against the folk who actually ensured their freedom.
Just a personal viewpoint folks not a theory or a quote
I embrace and thank you and agree with you Patmac. Thank you for your service. It is a pity that so many take for granted what you and others have risked their lives for, and given their lives for.Many countries have taken part in various coalitions.
One constant has been the USA and the UK in all areas and the taxpayer has paid for it all. Over and above this we have lost thousands of young folk, killed fighting wars that we could so easily walk away from.
How many Kuwatis or Saudis are now screaming and ranting AGAINST the very folk who they begged for help.
I have never been thanked by anyone for my part in GW1. Not that I wanted to be I joined up so I did as I was asked.
But it is totally and utterly annoying to see the young folk of these countries railing against the folk who actually ensured their freedom.
Just a personal viewpoint folks not a theory or a quote
patmac: Since Saddam invaded Kuwait and the Saudi's screamed for help, the USA and the UK have spent Billions fighting Terrorism and the threats of so many folk. As well as this fact we have both been heavily targeted by all the various elements.
Many countries have taken part in various coalitions.
One constant has been the USA and the UK in all areas and the taxpayer has paid for it all. Over and above this we have lost thousands of young folk, killed fighting wars that we could so easily walk away from.
How many Kuwatis or Saudis are now screaming and ranting AGAINST the very folk who they begged for help.
I have never been thanked by anyone for my part in GW1. Not that I wanted to be I joined up so I did as I was asked.
But it is totally and utterly annoying to see the young folk of these countries railing against the folk who actually ensured their freedom.
Just a personal viewpoint folks not a theory or a quote
Many countries have taken part in various coalitions.
One constant has been the USA and the UK in all areas and the taxpayer has paid for it all. Over and above this we have lost thousands of young folk, killed fighting wars that we could so easily walk away from.
How many Kuwatis or Saudis are now screaming and ranting AGAINST the very folk who they begged for help.
I have never been thanked by anyone for my part in GW1. Not that I wanted to be I joined up so I did as I was asked.
But it is totally and utterly annoying to see the young folk of these countries railing against the folk who actually ensured their freedom.
Just a personal viewpoint folks not a theory or a quote
Young folk do that Pat, they always have and always will, it´s part of growing up, and in my opinion, a healthy, normal anti-establishment attitude. With time and a little more wisdom most of these young people listen and learn. Some do complete U turns, others read the Guardian like me.
Buffy327: We know our history, and certainly don't need ur interpretation. BTW we fully acknowledge everyone that came to this country and their contribution, hell unless ur American Indian, we r all descendants from another country....Myself, Irish, English, and America Indian...A melting pot...
But my question to U is, "What is it that U think America owes U"?
But my question to U is, "What is it that U think America owes U"?
No one holds monopoly over history, I'm free to know any country's history and give whatever interpretation I want to it. And what I think America owes not to me but to the world is a good explanation to why they shot a an unarmed man, if that happened in US soil the US wouldn't owe anything to anyone but that happened outside of the USA so yeah your government does owe the world an explanation.
artienp: No one holds monopoly over history, I'm free to know any country's history and give whatever interpretation I want to it. And what I think America owes not to me but to the world is a good explanation to why they shot a an unarmed man, if that happened in US soil the US wouldn't owe anything to anyone but that happened outside of the USA so yeah your government does owe the world an explanation.
And the world got an explanation.
artienp: No one holds monopoly over history, I'm free to know any country's history and give whatever interpretation I want to it. And what I think America owes not to me but to the world is a good explanation to why they shot a an unarmed man, if that happened in US soil the US wouldn't owe anything to anyone but that happened outside of the USA so yeah your government does owe the world an explanation.
Please re-read my post which answers your question.
artienp: That's just stupid, those were US military forces, if he wasn't armed by then there was no way he could have scaped then managed to get a gun and then gone back to shoot everyone. He could have easily been taken into custody without any unnecessary violence.
well the problem with taking him alive is that his band of followers would be taking hostages everywhere to get his release an most likely excuting them one by one till they got him out, feel like being a hostage for a murderer
JAN_is: Young folk do that Pat, they always have and always will, it´s part of growing up, and in my opinion, a healthy, normal anti-establishment attitude. With time and a little more wisdom most of these young people listen and learn. Some do complete U turns, others read the Guardian like me.
God all those spelling mistakes must drive you nuts...
seadrift: well the problem with taking him alive is that his band of followers would be taking hostages everywhere to get his release an most likely excuting them one by one till they got him out, feel like being a hostage for a murderer
You have stated it so simply and logically. This is what would be going on right now.patmac: God all those spelling mistakes must drive you nuts...
I find the Daily Mail to be the worst offender for that, and nonsense of course, amongst the big newspapers.Conrad73: That^s exactly what you Fellows don't seem to understand!
There are No Irish,there are no Chinese there are no Italians,etc,there are only AMERICANS!
________________________
"There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all.
This is just as true of the man who puts "native" before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.
But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.
The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English- Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian- Americans, or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality than with the other citizens of the American Republic.
The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American."
Theodore Roosevelt(Addressing the Knights of Columbus in New York City - October 12, 1915)
There are No Irish,there are no Chinese there are no Italians,etc,there are only AMERICANS!
________________________
"There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all.
This is just as true of the man who puts "native" before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.
But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.
The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English- Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian- Americans, or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality than with the other citizens of the American Republic.
The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American."
Theodore Roosevelt(Addressing the Knights of Columbus in New York City - October 12, 1915)
I've never seen this. Thank you for sharing.
artienp: No one holds monopoly over history, I'm free to know any country's history and give whatever interpretation I want to it. And what I think America owes not to me but to the world is a good explanation to why they shot a an unarmed man, if that happened in US soil the US wouldn't owe anything to anyone but that happened outside of the USA so yeah your government does owe the world an explanation.
Here's the explanation:
Once upon a time there was a man who said he was going to take down America because he hated Americans.
He put together a mission to destroy 2,974 lives on Sept. 11th.
This is a bad man.
Go back in histroy as far as you want and the bad man will always pay the price for the bad things he does.
We captured this bad man, killed him when he made an attempt towards a Navy SEAL.....that's a no no
This bad man wouldn't have been able to be rehabilitated because he was freaken piece of blippty blip blip.
When I have crap in my house I throw it in the garbage but we didn't do that with the bad man
We respected his religion and gave him a proper funeral at sea
The bad man did what he did in the name of God. He thought he was better than everyone else. He killed people all over the world. That's not nice.
Think about this. Terrorism hasn't been taken down yet. But, don't you feel better that this particular bad man can't send his bad people to your country to destroy the lives of those you love.
People that live by the sword...die by the sword.
artienp: It appears that Bin Laden wasn't armed indeed and even so he got a bullet in his head...I'm not saying the guy was a saint nor am I saying he was right in any of his deeds, but a fair trial is everyone's right even if it's the world's most wanted terrorist the person we're talking about, if the US or any country for that matter starts executing people at their sheer will the world will sucumb to anarchy.
he deserved to die so whats all the rubbish aboutKaybee50: You have stated it so simply and logically. This is what would be going on right now.
I said the same around 10 pages back.....
We still have folk screaming he should have been tried.Question where????
Who could or would be the Jury. They and there families would automatically be targets.
Also according to all the LAWS I know he has to be allowed a fair trial with unbiased Jurors otherwise he could walk.
Where do we find those folk???
What country has the first claim on him for his crimes???
It would have taken years to get him to trial and how many would be killed in the interim.
Just a few thoughts that the folk who are saying try him have not fully addressed.
Conrad73: That^s exactly what you Fellows don't seem to understand!
There are No Irish,there are no Chinese there are no Italians,etc,there are only AMERICANS!
________________________
"There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all.
This is just as true of the man who puts "native" before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.
But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.
The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English- Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian- Americans, or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality than with the other citizens of the American Republic.
The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American."
Theodore Roosevelt(Addressing the Knights of Columbus in New York City - October 12, 1915)
There are No Irish,there are no Chinese there are no Italians,etc,there are only AMERICANS!
________________________
"There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all.
This is just as true of the man who puts "native" before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.
But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.
The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English- Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian- Americans, or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality than with the other citizens of the American Republic.
The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American."
Theodore Roosevelt(Addressing the Knights of Columbus in New York City - October 12, 1915)
That's a beautiful quotation, thanks for posting it.
JAN_is: I find the Daily Mail to be the worst offender for that, and nonsense of course, amongst the big newspapers.
Female RAG...... so that says it all
patmac: Female RAG...... so that says it all
It tries hard to be political though and I read the editorials. Poor at best.
Are you a Sun reader then?
patmac: I said the same around 10 pages back..... We still have folk screaming he should have been tried.
Question where????
Who could or would be the Jury. They and there families would automatically be targets.
Also according to all the LAWS I know he has to be allowed a fair trial with unbiased Jurors otherwise he could walk.
Where do we find those folk???
What country has the first claim on him for his crimes???
It would have taken years to get him to trial and how many would be killed in the interim.
Just a few thoughts that the folk who are saying try him have not fully addressed.
I have an idea! Let's invite all terrorists to join CS forums, and they will want to voluntarily want to hang themselves after reading all of this poor-Obama drivel. Question where????
Who could or would be the Jury. They and there families would automatically be targets.
Also according to all the LAWS I know he has to be allowed a fair trial with unbiased Jurors otherwise he could walk.
Where do we find those folk???
What country has the first claim on him for his crimes???
It would have taken years to get him to trial and how many would be killed in the interim.
Just a few thoughts that the folk who are saying try him have not fully addressed.
Snuggs09: Here's the explanation:
Once upon a time there was a man who said he was going to take down America because he hated Americans.
He put together a mission to destroy 2,974 lives on Sept. 11th.
This is a bad man.
Go back in histroy as far as you want and the bad man will always pay the price for the bad things he does.
We captured this bad man, killed him when he made an attempt towards a Navy SEAL.....that's a no no
This bad man wouldn't have been able to be rehabilitated because he was freaken piece of blippty blip blip.
When I have crap in my house I throw it in the garbage but we didn't do that with the bad man
We respected his religion and gave him a proper funeral at sea
The bad man did what he did in the name of God. He thought he was better than everyone else. He killed people all over the world. That's not nice.
Think about this. Terrorism hasn't been taken down yet. But, don't you feel better that this particular bad man can't send his bad people to your country to destroy the lives of those you love.
People that live by the sword...die by the sword.
Once upon a time there was a man who said he was going to take down America because he hated Americans.
He put together a mission to destroy 2,974 lives on Sept. 11th.
This is a bad man.
Go back in histroy as far as you want and the bad man will always pay the price for the bad things he does.
We captured this bad man, killed him when he made an attempt towards a Navy SEAL.....that's a no no
This bad man wouldn't have been able to be rehabilitated because he was freaken piece of blippty blip blip.
When I have crap in my house I throw it in the garbage but we didn't do that with the bad man
We respected his religion and gave him a proper funeral at sea
The bad man did what he did in the name of God. He thought he was better than everyone else. He killed people all over the world. That's not nice.
Think about this. Terrorism hasn't been taken down yet. But, don't you feel better that this particular bad man can't send his bad people to your country to destroy the lives of those you love.
People that live by the sword...die by the sword.
Here's another explanation
Once upon the time there were two countries called USA and USSR, who decided to use Afghanistan as a freaking chess border after all who gives a damn it some brown people die, right? Then in an effort to win this battle at all costs (like always, because victory must come at ALL costs, right?) the US government gave weaponry and training to Afghans who wanted the soviets out, among them Bin Laden and his fellas...I'm just saying, things are no so cut and dry as you're trying to make them seem.
artienp: I was just following your reasoning, did that upset you?
You would have to be reasoning to follow my reasoning. What you're doing is something else. And that's OK. I don't get upset by people merely voicing their opinions no matter how stupid they are.
artienp: Here's another explanation
Once upon the time there were two countries called USA and USSR, who decided to use Afghanistan as a freaking chess border after all who gives a damn it some brown people die, right? Then in an effort to win this battle at all costs (like always, because victory must come at ALL costs, right?) the US government gave weaponry and training to Afghans who wanted the soviets out, among them Bin Laden and his fellas...I'm just saying, things are no so cut and dry as you're trying to make them seem.
How many family members, friends, did you lose on 9/11? Or the other Obama-led and funded attacks? Please no rhetoric...just a number is all I am asking for.Once upon the time there were two countries called USA and USSR, who decided to use Afghanistan as a freaking chess border after all who gives a damn it some brown people die, right? Then in an effort to win this battle at all costs (like always, because victory must come at ALL costs, right?) the US government gave weaponry and training to Afghans who wanted the soviets out, among them Bin Laden and his fellas...I'm just saying, things are no so cut and dry as you're trying to make them seem.
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