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On a mildly related note one of the female visitors here likes exploring my woods. She found one of my cave entrances (pictured)
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and is volunteering to (urging actually) to help me excavate the entrance and entry hall inside some more. I have a certain reluctance since as the debris free area in front suggest, being at the bottom of a hill quite a bit of water flows into it during a rain. She is of the belief the hazard potential of that can be minimized by enlarging the drain holes to the rear. She may be correct. I remain interested in a different opening a few hundred yards away that although a little more narrow doesn't seem to collect as much water. In any case it looks like a good project for the summer.

India pivots

Actually, backstreet rumor is India donated those shells. laugh

So how many of the supposedly sold Abrams tanks and Patriot Missiles has Russia purchased? Are they storing them on the border for use against China(?), because we haven't seen them in Russian hands on the battlefield yet?

RE: FAKE PROFILERS

You say you have a Need to Know. Our available records do not confirm you as having this need. Perhaps the records available to us are not complete. Please explain why you feel you have a NEED to know.

That said, about 89$ of the profiles here contain one or more falsehoods. Some of the hottent looking women are old men sitting in some Internet Cafe and giggling to themselves over the fools that imagine they and the love letters flowing from them are real. Any day now the suckers will wire them money to pay for a sick mother's operation, bail a brother out of jail, or buy them a plane ticket so they can unite in love once they can leave their country. They make a pretty good living at it and usually they have 10 or 20 men (or women) writing them in the belief they are real.
Read all profiles.
Tell Tales..
Beware of letters that begin Dearest Beloved after only 2 emails.
Beware any profile or email that writes God as GOD,
Beware any communication from someone who writes in CAPITAL LETTERS
Beware of 19 year old doctors and lawyers or university professors
Beware of 22 years olds whose children are grown and live elsewhere.
Run away from anyone who does not drink or smoke ever.
Beware people who describe themselves as being one race but post a photo of someone of a different race.
Pay attention to height. Try not to fall for someone who is only 4 feet 2 inches tall.
Understand that child care, hair dresser, fashion, entrepreneur are pseudonyms for 'I have no job skills and sometimes I baby sit kids or earn side money as a prostitute'

Google their photos and don't be too upset if you find the same photo under a dozen other names in RomanceScams or similar websites. Scammers sell the photos that work to other scammers often.

Learn how to trap IP #s and locate them. Often someone pretending they are in place X will when you run down their IP turn out to really be in country Y. Get used to it.

There are real people here, but you have to be on here long enough to spot them.

Ignore all emails that on first or 2nd contact want you to contact them at gmail or yahoo, etc.

There is more, but you haven't shown a need to know yet.
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RE: Advice for Trump

I remain a registered Republican (which has zero impact or requirement on how a person votes). The Republican party principles were published over 50 years ago, and I continue to support any politician who follows them. I do not support politicians who betray their oath of office, and I do not vote a second time for ineffective politicians. Trump qualifies as a no vote on both criteria.

RE: Advice for Trump

Jews? LoL, you actually believe Hitler's ancient BS? Folks of the Hebrew faith do contribute a lot to election campaigns, that is true. Why wouldn't they? If I run for office and say I support Israel, those of the predominant faith in this country will send money to my campaign. That is a rule many politicians follow. Promise support where the money is. Claim you support Aluminum mining, and Alcoa will contribute lots of money. Claim you support auto workers and wish their was a car plant in your district and both the auto worker's unions and the car makers will contribute money to your cause.
Be clueless and say you support homeless people causes and minority rights, and only very small money will come to support your campaign. Homeless people and disenfranchised people have no money. There may be a lot of them, but that is worthless if they don't contribute enough money to buy your campaign ad time on television.
So contrary to your wish that America split it's political system into 300 different parties, each representing a different point of origin, we have 2 main ones and each has a published platform of over 70 years age. Sometimes a politician will even follow his party's platform. Some like Trump ignore it. Historically that is a good way to not get re-elected. Donations and support from the Party HQ is a huge plus. Sadly there exists no way to excommunicate someone from claiming membership in a political party. A lot of the folk in Congress would qualify if there was.

RE: Condo insurance increases...

John D McDonald wrote a good novel called Condominium a half century or so ago. It served as a good warning. All of the risks of apartment house dwelling as a tenant renting space exist times 10 in a Condo or Co-op structure. I watched NYC tear down Freedom Land amusement park and put up their Co-op city. For the first decade it seemed okay, until people realized building a high rise on a land fill was probably not the smartest thing as the buildings sinking became noticeable. Then of course the fees are properly tied to the inflation index. Seemed reasonable, until the Jimmy Carter years when the rate hit 22%. Ouch. Regan came and the rates went down, but the fees did not and continued to rise. By then most people had figured out a mortgage tied to a floating interest rate was a bad thing. Crime came to Co-Op city. It got so bad NYC had to authorize and approve a special Co-Op City Police force. Yes, there are insurance fees there too. Also evictions for those not paying. A difference between a Co-Op and a Condominium is Eviction vs. Foreclosure. Both have the same result although the paperwork process is different. Some states have non-judicial foreclosure in which there is no day in court, just letters in the mail until the day the sheriff or marshal shows up to throw you out or take you to jail for trespass. Your choice. Most people who fall into the condo / co-op trap fall into one of two categories, very young and inexperienced in the ways of Real Estate, or in their 80s with no expectation of living long enough to worry about a decade down the road.
Buy your own place, with the largest down payment you can make at a fixed rate of interest and pay the insurance so you or your heirs can repair from fires, etc., or sell it in 40 years after you are gone. Also check out foreclosure auctions. There are some fantastic buys out there.

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RE: Smedley D Butler [ U S M C

One of America's great unsung heroes. He threw away his career to blow that whistle.

RE: When WW3 starts will Feminist disappear?

There is also humor and irony at the idea of someone allegedly in the US complaining about the lack of women requesting conscription equality when back in 1972 the numbers of male Americans trying to get out of conscription by any cowardly means they could (including running away to Canada) reached such an all time high in 1973 the US Congress terminated the conscriptioun process and left only the registration process in place. How many of your 'fellow' America males have you seen have you seen petitioning or demonstrating at Congress to bring back conscription for them?

Some countries have a mandatory service for every citizen, China and N. Korea for instance, Neither Russia nor Ukraine have seen the need to do so. Putin has however in speech urged each Russian woman to bear 8 children for the Motherland, but very probably only a few women there will voluntarily destroy themselves that way. However, neither Russia nor Ukraine feels it is time for their women to be conscripted as front line soldiers. Russian women soldiers who volunteer to serve are usually rear echelon clerks or radio operators and many have never even held much less fired a service rifle. Ukraine however allows front line service and thousands of Ukraine';s women soldiers are in their front ranks happily killing Orc invaders. As they are sometimes better at it than their male counterparts (especially as snipers and drone operators) this will probably bolster women's equality and leadership opportunities there.

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RE: Advice for Trump

LoL to the thought the ignorant neo-Nazis currently dominating the Republican party can garner enough popular support amongst the blacks and latiinos and asians in the US to place Trump in office over them.

RE: When WW3 starts will Feminist disappear?

There is a false premise in the post, that the women 'hightailed' it out of Ukraine. Certain;y mothers with small children or family members needing constant care evacuated with them to safety. Alternatively many married women were urged by their husbands to evacuate so the men could fight on the front lines without worrying about Russian paratrooper Orcs landing at home and abusing their wives and or harming their children. The bulk of Ukraine's single women chose to remain in Ukraine. That was two years ago.
Although many women from Ukraine continue to raise their children or care for elderly relatives in places of safety, many women of Ukraine have since returned to Ukraine, Like Soviet women during WW2, thousands of them have joined the military of Ukraine. Others have taken (like Rosie the riveter in the US during WW2) up industrial jobs so as to free up male workers in critical industries to go fight, while also filling important behind the scene rear echelon jobs. Electricians, factory workers, warehouse workers, law enforcement and security, data specialists, etc.

A second false premise is that when this war escalates, i.e., goes nuclear, that there would be a magical safe country to flee to. No, there won't be. It won't matter if you move to the Falkland isles, or Nepal, either way the Fallout will come and it will (again) be a time of great lament.

RE: Advice for Trump

Silly man. In this country the people ARE the government. A functional Republic we are. Yes, there was a serious mistake made after the collapse of the USSR. Many weapons factories were shut down with a view the Russian threat was ended. I visited a weapons production facility that had greatly downsized after that a week or so ago and discussed with a manager there possible future expansions (including hopefully) a second facility not too far from my home. We have many underemployed persons who would be over joyed to get good salaries making things to slaughter Russian Orcs with.

India pivots

So you believe the 300K dead Rissians in Ukraine were killed by the buyers of the weapons Ukraine sold?

RE: The banana US.

Well he was shown to be guilty of being a rapist in civil court. The decades delay in the woman reporting the event contributed greatly to the lack of a criminal trial.

Removing Truump from the ballot is not the same as preventing him from winning the election. Every state allows writing in a candidate. If Trump truly has (very doubtful) the popular vote majority as his own political party claims, well then those supporting him in states where he is not on the ballot will simply write his name (Donald Trump) in the write in block and being the overwhelmingly popular candidate his winning is assured. So I don't understand why his party cares one way or another what names the statee puts on their ballots. All that a voter needs is a pencil to make a correction.
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RE: One Belt and Road Initiative growing stronger

ISIS hsd claimed responsibility for the funeral bombings in Iran. Iran has vowed revenge. popcorn

RE: Runaway blogs...

Probably the wrongness and stupidity of past blogs. Just a guess.
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RE: Advice for Trump

It is so rare for me to even partially agree with this OP, but yes Trump should forget about becoming President in 2024. However, we disagree as to the reason.
As the US is still the world's strongest economy, those who look at the big picture don't share the doom and gloom perspective of those who look at only one country. Yes, the US has debt. So what? It also makes money and will probably continue to do so.
Rather instead Trump should forget about being President again because it would be really hard to run a country from inside a maximum security prison. Yes, the guards will all be given a piece of paper declaring themselves to be temporary Special Agents of the Secret Service, while on duty just like the White House does for the (lower salaried) chauffers who drive Presidential vehicles. But there are many events a President is required to attend, and frankly the odds of a convicted President being allowed out of jail to roam freely and attend those events is pretty slim. At the same time there are a lot of foreign leaders who have scant interest in visiting a place like SuperMax to meet with a resident President. In short Trump would be incapable of performing the full range of duties and should therefore forget that goal and perhaps brush up on his skill set at basket weaving or sketching with charcoal..
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RE: Must watch timeline/documentary on the events of January 6th

There is no question the Capitol Police (and MPD present) were set up to fail by the White House. There was adequate advance warning of the potential size and intent of the different participants. We need to compare the support they got for this demonstration compared to the support they received in 1971 when T. Leary organized a demonstration and said we will raise the Pentagon and tear down the Capitol Building. Didn't even get close, LoL
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Further, at the time Congress authorized the placing of the US Marine Barracks on 8th Street the legislated purpose of their presence outside the Navy base was to defend the Federal Buildings in Washington, DC. Totally exempt from Posse Comitatas inside DC's city limits. All ending or preventing the Capitol riot needed was a phone call from the White House that was never made. So yeah, the boys in blue were set up by the White House. Who ran the White House that day?

RE: One Belt and Road Initiative growing stronger

Speaking about the Red Sea task force, Operation Prosperity Garden, currently the task force is the US, the UK, France (independent command), Denmark and Greece. That's more than enough fiirepower to cremate Yemen's coast line if desired. I am surprised China is not sending any ships as any blockage of the Suez Canal will have really major affect on China's economy. A lot of China's oil is carried on tankers that go through the Suez Canal. Likewise many of the goods shipped to Europe also flow through that canal. About 2% of Egypt's income comes from Canal tolls, so the effect of a blockage on Egypt isn't that fatal for Egypt, but maybe 60% of China's oil and 40% of it's products are currently dependent on the Suez Canal. Should China have to use alternate routes the increase in shipping costs will be huge and China's economy will suffer greatly. Perhaps that is Iran's intent?

I have a question

Bring the pillows into the shelter with you. It is allowed.

Did they really do that?

Thanks that's it. They are all decent satellite tools.

RE: Got In A Fight Last Night

Are those brass knuckles, or just a piece of metal?
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RE: Must watch timeline/documentary on the events of January 6th

I note it isn't running on YT. To me that means it may not check their fact checking. False stuff about Jan 6 doesn't last long on YouTube. Yes the question of whose documentary and who funded it is also important. Funded by the fascist re-election campaign? Funded by the BBC or Al Jazeera? Funded by Putin's nephew? It matters.

I have a question

correction: 1965 fire

I have a question

Trying to answer several here.
Electricity is no further away than a magnet, some wire and a shaft. How fast you spin it, how much wire, that's all in Maxwell and ohm's papers. Some slept through those classes in school, others didn't and built radios and microwave emitters and other cool stuff using those works. There would be plenty of scrap stuff everywhere you look. I figure getting some electric up after it is safe to wander around will take about a week. There is a decent video or two on YT about converting a car alternator into a wind driven generator. There is a good starting point. I have been saving up for one of the new Lithium solar powered battery power packs. There are some nice ones in the 10K Watt range and light enough to be somewhat portable, especially if you transport the components separately. My thought is keep it charged in the shelter, unfold the solar plates (or buy a 2nd set for use after things quiet down) and I will have electric for a long, long time. Maybe long enough for a grid to be repaired.
Agreed nuclear plants will melt down if the operators are all dead. Even if they SCRAM (shut down) them, they still need constant cooling of the rods. Don't live downwind of one. Keep some Potassium Iodide around anyway.
If someone EMPs things, that will raise the troposphere (and also screw up radio). Friction with the raised atmosphere will bring many satellites down. Also the space station. Then again someone may decide it is an artillery observation post and target it directly. Oh well.
Some people believe too much nonsense on the Internet. There are no you can't nuke here places. Physically impossible. The weapons tend to veer off course. Look at Russia shooting at Ukraine next door and hitting Poland and Romania instead. Look at boomeranging S300s, LoL. Solid fuel rockets stored so long some of the fuel on one booster or another has degraded and burns a little faster than the other vent does. Here we go loop the loop. Less than 15 degrees off course Russia allows it with no self destruct. In war the US will probably do the same. Where those things land is anyone's guess.
Yes, I am within 15 miles of a ground zero. It will probably be several 20 meg ground bursts. That kind of oomph even the shelter floor needs to be reinforced as the Nevada and French and Soviet tests have shown. Those shockwaves liquify the soil for 10 seconds or so. Each cubic yard of soil weighs about 1.5 tons. Sometimes more depending on moisture. All of it suddenly moving like surf during a Hurricane. A simple fallout shelter is inadequate for that. You want to be deep in something that won't suddenly collapse and crush you. Deep enough so the shock wves don't touch you. Pointless if you are ground zero. A 20 meg ground blast leaves a crater 400 feet deep and about 3/4 mile long/wide. Project Plowshare. Best to be a few miles away. Can't go too far down though. Internal heat of the Earth the deeper you go, the hotter.
Secret shelters for the rich and powerful. LoL. No better than what you can build. I have been in several of those underground exclusive places. Did you know they flood with ground water a lot? Is okay while the pumps are working and maintenance keeps repainting. Without either, not so good.. Look up the 1865 fire at the Searcy, AK missile base. Having a way out of a deep place is important. Not easy with fallout falling and radioactivity everywhere.
WW3 began in 2014. Most slept through tts beginning. In Feb 2022 Putin stirred the pot and now 80 nations are involved one way or another. Red Sea, Gaza, Ukraine, Hungary, Mexico it is all linked. One conflict. East vs West. Dictatorship vs Democracy and transgender rights. LoL Both sides have plans for 2024. It should start simmering in 2024. Find a deep cave and stock it well. 2025 is a maybe.
I am sadly, pushing 70, but I intend to still be here at 90. Those who wish to check out now may do so.

RE: If a Christian...

Like I wrote, I believe the writers of the 9th to 20th century make a big mistake when they dismiss some of the O.T. descriptions as mere symbolism set to text. The Bible's O.T. is based on lifted portions of the earlier written Hebrew Torah or Tanakh, which is itself partially based on extracts of o*al tales related by Abraham and others of events in Sumeria before the flood. All of it is based on something and things in Sumer may have been a lot more interesting than today's culture believes. When the people of Sumeria scattered after the left over ice wall melted and flooded their country the refugees went in many directions. Their written Sanskrit went East (following what we today call the old Silk Road) and much of Asia's written language contains similarity to ancient Sumer writing style. Some fled to the areas we call Mesopotamia and lower Egypt. Some went North and Northwest. They brought their ways and knowledge with them. The working of metal, the use of a plow, etc. They also brought their beliefs and tales of things they had seen or heard of. Each new region as it developed adopted parts of these tales as part of their religion. What Christians later called Angels the Hebrews called Mal'ak. The Greeks just called them gods and goddesses, As one of the Bible quotes cited by BC Jenny relates, there were lots of them, possibly even thousands. Sumerian text called them Anunnaki. Sumerian text says most, but not all of them left the Earth.
I like going as early as I can regarding the origins of religious stories. If there is a writing by no less than Sargon identifying Ishtar/Issa and Aphrodite as being the same being, who am I to argue with it? Some believe the one called Aphrodite was also the one called Athena and the differences between tales and aspects of both crept in long after they were no longer around. Note the sculpture (currently in the British Museum) depicts owls in the Greek style by her side. Owls are often associated with Athena. The lions at her feet and the turret on her head are conversely normally associated with the goddess Rhea, while the early depiction of an Ankh in her hand is usually associated with Issa/Ishtar. Since the sculpture is thousands of years old asking the sculptor which aspect of which goddess he/she had in mind would be hard, but it is possible all of them can be attributed to one. In any case winged women were common in several of the religions in the Mediterranean vicinity.

I find Exodus and on to be some of the most technologically interesting parts of the Bible. Decades ago in the year when when I was building a HAM radio I stumbled on Exodus and read the Arc's build instructions and just froze and had to re read while thinking OMG I think I know what that is. I kept it to myself until one day a decade or two later I was discussing the Bible with a few old Masons and learned in the 1930s the Masonic order in the US had come to the exact same conclusion, but as they tried to organize a project to replicate it, FDR confiscated their (everyone's) gold and that stonewalled the project. Adjustable directional antenna, capacitors, resistors, valves, power source,probably a superheterodyne circuit etc. It is all right there in the text, but totally obscure if you are merely looking for theological symbolism and lack technical knowledge. In WW2 captured GIs in Japanese POW camps built 'Foxhole Radios' under the noses of their guards using such materials as newspaper scraps, Zinc plating off uniform buttons, antennas made using the barbed wire of the fences surrounding them, etc. What Moses learned how to make during his 40 day and night sabbatical was a Foxhole Radio x10 because his transmitted too. You can do that if you aren't worried about a security service tracking you down. All through the O.T. we get hints of the lethality (and implied watt potential of the power source).

RE: If a Christian...

Noting also the general impression one gets from reading how God spoke to Moses about the 2 Cherubim who would sit on the Tabernacle leaves the reader with the distinct impression that they were not cute little human infants carrying cute little bows and arrows like Cupid does. Probably something more akin to an Allosaurus than a human infant.

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I think that is a mistake a lot of Bible interpreters have made through the centuries. I suspect that instead of theological imagery some of the Old Testament texts were attempts (distorted probably by the o*al tradition father to son pass down method used by Hebrews before the Torah became a written document) to physically describe actual things and events for which their language had no words. However as our technology has advanced a lot of the things presumed by many to be fanciful imaginings or fables can be matched today to things we know about now. Consider the Tabernacle and it's description and use. The importance of lead sheeting on the uniforms of the maintenance worker priests from the Levite tribe (so similar to the lead apron worn by a modern X Ray technician), the use of a Candelabra (made of lead in those days) hammered flat and used to plug the hole in the Ark, the maintaining of a n 800 Meter (2,000 Cubits) distance of the Ark from the people when in transit, The Tabernacle exclusion area, etc.
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We have words for much that is in the Bible's Old Testament. The Ancients did not. We understand a lot of it and how some things described would work (not all yet, but a lot of it). Nothing magical, just more advanced than the easily fooled goat herders were. So maybe Zachariah was being pictoral, or maybe he was describing exactly what he saw. You can call them Angels, you can call them Houri, you can call them sisters of Isis/Ishtar/Aphrodite What he saw had been seen by others and the winged women were a known thing long before the time of old Zachariah.

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See also Exodus 19:18. Do we not have words for this?
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I have a question

Those who wish to die during a nuclear war would probably be doing everyone else a favor by exiting earlier. laugh

When you speak of encrypted keys and nuclear devicees I am assuming you are speaking of PAL codes. If this is wrong please advise. Here is the reality. The West (US, the UK (which uses nukes loaned to it by the US), and France) have those locks on their devices. After the fall of the USSR serious negotiation attempts were made by the West to convince Russia, India and Pakistan to adopt a similar safety system for their nuclear devices. All of them flatly refused (possibly for the reason you speak of). China (for the same weird reason they were never invited to the SALT or SALT II talks) was both nnt asked to, and later on (about 6 years ago when someone mentioned it, said they didn't need to as their weapons are securely stored.

Naby of the current Russian nuclear warheads are identical to the designs used in the days of the USSR. Some may actually be the same ones as Russian warhead maintenance was found to be sorely lacking when the US began taking some of them apart under the disarmament treaty. Can we say popcorn and bunkers so over crowded with warheads that the room temperature was over 350F? Anyway the 350Kt warhead on a Topol M is the same as the ones the Soviets had in the older Topol SS25 model. No safety interlock to hack. Add the Neutron trigger and launch it. It will go off.

The safety (there was a totally attempt by rogue KGB to use a hijacked Soviet sub to attack Hawaii a few decades ago) found on R-29RMU2 and RSM-56 MIRVS is more like a hand cuff key than anything electrical. Given the state of Russian computer chip development and manufacture I would expect something equially childish and tinker proof simple on the MIRVs carried by an RS 28 Sarmat. Yes Russia has other missile and warhead types, but we already know they aren't into PAL systems, much less one based on USB devices.

Nty point is Russian nuclear and thermonuclear warheads will probably work quite well upon arrival. I can tell you that there is a lot about US PAL devices that can be found on open source Internet and not all of it is wrong. I personally would want to be at least 500 miles away from someone trying to mess with one of those devices. We do do our maintenance, pull them apart and test things on fairly regularly. I am personally pretty confident, given how many there are and how widely spaced they are in deployment you would need thousands of hackers at hundreds of locations to effect even a few of them. So ours will work too.

About NK, I have no idea. I envision them putting those in a pick up truck and driving South then at a border checkpoint, or other travel bottleneck, like a Japanese soldier trying to destroy an M3 tank during WW2 a volunteer will smack it on the nose with a big hammer. The Japanese got quite a few tanks that way. 2 or 3 such trucks spaced 20 minutes apart should get the NKoreans to Seoul or anyplace else they wish to go.

Thinking of NK, I wouldn't be too shcked to learn they were getting drones from Iran and trying to fit them with tactical nukes to be dropped whenever Supreme Leader directs/

RE: If a Christian...

That is a psychologically interesting comment. Where in the Bible do you find text even implying God made all of his Angels to be male or even a limit to how many he made? While it is conceded that the 4 seraphim and cherubim named in the Bible are male names, nothing suggests those 4 are a complete list of all of the Angels. We could perhaps discourse about the angels named in The Book of Enoch, or the Book of Jubilee texts or even the Yakizi texts, but those are not Christian Bible texts, nor do they imply all angels are male. Let us note that the true purpose of the Biblical flood was to eliminate the Nephilim offspring from the planet and not only did this attempt fail but the FEMALE wife of one of Noah's children escaped the flood with Noah and his brood and later bore multiple children. The simple fact that angels found teh daughters of man to be fair and mated with them implies the existence of female angels or else there would have been no purpose to God giving them a sex organ. Further we know nothing of angel culture and just because we assume Azrael or Zaqiel are males (for whatever twisted psychological reason on our part) does not mean they are. In all of the texts there is room for both female cherubim and female seraphim. Only a misogynist would assume otherwise.

Regarding Angel numbers, as some forms of superstition became less believable in the 20th century the concept of Lucky Numbers fell out of vogue and around 1980 began to be replaced by the term Angel Number. Both have similar meaning but the name change makes the concept sound more likable. Find your 'magical' angel number and always play it at the lottery and your magical angel spirit will make you rich. Yeah, sure.

Neither concept name has any basis in either the Bible, the Torah or the Holy Quran, or even in fact. Chaos rules the Universe and without Chaos, entropy and a very careful balance of the two the thermonuclear reactions that light our sun and every other star in the Universe could not occur and the Universe would be a very cold place indeed.
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Oh I would add applesauce to the list. I have several cans of that too squirreled away. Wish I could find a way of preserving whipped cream. That too will be missed.
Amazing how many of the missed items will be foods that will be 1,000 years before being seen again,if ever.

Wondering if multiple sizes of underwear, dungarees and Sorel boots and sneakers would be good trade goods. Of course the bunker would have to be very large to hold a 10 year trading supply and decent shovels and crowbars might be a better investment. Bags of charcoal, 5 gallon buckets and clean sand for water filtering too of course. Already have a few 'how does it work' or ;how to fix things' books for trade. They will go first of course because I doubt much effort will be spent teaching subsequent generations how to read, much less write (to who? LoL).

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